(Adultery) C.I. Scofield And Dispensationalism's Foundations

[Taken]

A pre-trib rapture is found no place in scripture

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

When you completely IGNORE the TRUTH, you do not HAVE the TRUTH.

SEEK the TRUTH.....
Fact; the Son of man came to Earth.
Fact: the Son of man left Earth.
Fact; the Son of man SHALL RETURN to Earth.

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You have completely CHANGED the Word of God, to fit your Lack of Understanding.

The Lord descending from Heaven TO the Clouds...
IS NOT the Son of man RETURNING TO EARTH!

Why SAY you stand for TRUTH, while changing Scriptural Facts?
The EARTH is dry land!
The CLOUDS are in the sky!
The Son of man came down from heaven, to earth, left earth, returned to heaven and shall return to Earth!

What does ^^^ THAT have to do with the Lord descending from Heaven TO the Clouds? Nothing!

Gen 1:
[10] And God called the dry land Earth...

 

[Truth7t7]

Though I’m sure you’re joking, nation will never learn war with nation again. Their weapons will turn into farming instruments. War is the opposite of Christ.

Dont get serious I was joking

 

[Taken]

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with the fact, Scofield lived and died an adulterer

So what? You being fixated on a mans Secular relationship HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with a mans Spiritual relationship with God.

Men who cheat, lie, steal, abandon other humans, is the mans burden to bear.
Men who cheat, lie, steal, abandon GOD, SHALL not be with God.

You think a mans BEHAVIOR toward other men, prohibits a man FROM having a relationship WITH GOD, is utter nonsense.

It is the SAME concept “young children” promote. AS IF, “you can not be my friend, unless my friends like you”.... <—- secular mindset.

A relationship between ONE man and God, is Between that ONE man and God, regardless of that ONE mans relationships with other humans.

 

[Taken]

Dont get serious I was joking

Joking is not suitable for a serious topic, especially with a new forum member you do not know.

Just saying.

 

[GEN2REV]

Once again I strongly disagree with your claim that National Israel will be restored by God

God has no promise or concern for a restoration of a National Israel, he has (The Church) period

Yeah, I'm convinced the Israel of God are a Spiritual Race for many reasons.

Not the least of which is John 4:24.

 

[Truth7t7]

So what? You being fixated on a mans Secular relationship HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with a mans Spiritual relationship with God.

Marriage is a biblical institution framed by God, there is no relationship with God while actively living and dying in the sin of Adultery, it's that simple

 

[Truth7t7]

Joking is not suitable for a serious topic, especially with a new forum member you do not know.

Just saying.

Please!

 

[Taken]

Marriage is a biblical institution framed by God, there is no relationship with God while actively living and dying in the sin of Adultery, it's that simple

Continue in your Secular understanding, and Gods Understanding will continue to escape you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yeah, I'm convinced the Israel of God are a Spiritual Race for many reasons.

Not the least of which is John 4:24.

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[Taken]

Please!

Please a “pass”?
You are trying to “promote” what is not Scriptural, with added “joking”...
And Cautioned.
“And a pass to ignore the caution, would satisfy you”?

(NoPre-TB) Well, You believe we won’t be around for any of your 7 years? Where do we go if we aren’t around here?

(Truth 7t7
To the Eternal game room, playing endless counterstrike and fortnite.

1 Peter 3:15.......be prepared to answer...

Point...You are not prepared to answer.

 

[GEN2REV]

Joking is not suitable for a serious topic, especially with a new forum member you do not know.

Just saying.

Teamventure is not new.

Trust me.

 

[Taken]

Marriage is a biblical institution framed by God, there is no relationship with God while actively living and dying in the sin of Adultery, it's that simple

YOU LIMIT GOD of WHO He can and can NOT have a relationship WITH?
How bold!

You obviously promote God having a relationship with A single individual is wholly dependent upon an individuals relationship with other humans...
Utterly False.

Utterly Backwards. An individual having a relationship with God Comes FIRST, thereafter, relationships between humans WHO ALSO HAVE a relationship WITH God, are thereafter THOSE humans IN a relationship together.

 

[Taken]

Teamventure is not new.

Trust me.

It’s difficult to trust you, when you do not even notice “teamventure” was not who was ASKED, or who responded.

 

[Truth7t7]

Teamventure is not new.

Trust me.

Been on the board for 10+ years

 

[Taken]

Been on the board for 10+ years

So? Who was talking about “Teamventure” being a new member? I wasn’t.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Who in the world is claiming "Hate Talk" that's a false claim and narrative way out in left field, who are you talking about

Just read what I said. Those who claim criticism of Darby is "hate talk" are not correct necessarily. You can criticize someone with hate in your heart, but you can also criticize someone legitimately with the proper motive. If this is controversial to you, you need to examine what your motive is. I'm not making any judgment with regard to your motives. You have to decide that yourself.

Obviously, I'm critical of Darby. I think he's wrong, and I understand he was somewhat mean-spirited towards those who disagreed with him. Apparently, he was well-educated, smart, and had some good things to say. But he was wrong, and lacked character in some respects. That's the testimony I've heard through the years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Once again I strongly disagree with your claim that National Israel will be restored by God

God has no promise or concern for a restoration of a National Israel, he has (The Church) period

And I disagree with your apparent sense that any opposition to Dispensationalism requires rejection of either a Millennium or an eventual restoration of Israel and other nations in the Millennium.

 

[Taken]

And I disagree with your apparent sense that any opposition to Dispensationalism requires rejection of either a Millennium or an eventual restoration of Israel and other nations in the Millennium.

Ditto.

Israel is Gods People, as God Himself proclaimed.

1 Sam 9:
[16] To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines: for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me.
2Sam.3
[18] Now then do it: for the LORD hath spoken of David, saying, By the hand of my servant David I will save my people Israel out of the hand of the Philistines, and out of the hand of all their enemies.

Further, God Himself has expressly revealed, Angels and mankind, have Freewill, and choices to be WITH God or WITHOUT God, as they Freely and Heartfully Desire...and Further HOW to accomplish their Heartful Desire.

As far as ISRAEL, a Nation/Country. Gods Promise of Land, encompasses ALL of the Land Promised to Abraham and His faithful descendants.
Men declaring a little strip of land as the Nation of Israel, is but a very small portion, and not Gods fulfillment.
Gods fulfillment of Abraham’s Land Promise will be manifested in the Day, Jesus’ sits on king David’s everlasting throne In Jerusalem, within the borders of Abraham’s Promised land...AKA, Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom, during millennial reign.

Occupants OF Jesus’ Kingdom, shall all be sons of God; Jews, Tribesmen, Gentiles together....and outside the Kingdom, Mortals.

^ That has nothing to do with human adultery, Scofield, dispensationalism.

 

[Rita]

Fat chance.

Good luck trying to get a thread closed because YOU say so.

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Just to make you aware that threads can be locked for many reasons, personally I was going to lock it this morning because there were too many posts to delete and the on going arguments we’re not really honouring to anyone. Thankfully it kind of got back on topic….so I will leave it open for the time being x
Rita

 

[GEN2REV]

Just to make you aware that threads can be locked for many reasons, personally I was going to lock it this morning because there were too many posts to delete and the on going arguments we’re not really honouring to anyone. Thankfully it kind of got back on topic….so I will leave it open for the time being x
Rita

Right with all the violence that was going on.

Probably should be closed for that reason alone.