The Gift Of The Sabbath - Is It For Us? - NEW AND IMPROVED??

[Oceanprayers]

How far have we fallen when we snipe at one another over sabbath observance? Really.

The Apostles after Jesus,Yeshiva,Joshua,Emmanuel, left the earth continued to observe the Sabbath. And they walked with Christ.

So, I think for a Christian today to claim sabbath no longer matters, when God made that day for us, is missing the point. Most especially if that Christian goes to church on the sun's day.

If you want to honor the day God made for you, do it. Jesus told his disciples, if you live me keep my commands. He didn't say those commands expire after he ascends.

And yes, he's Lord of the Sabbath. That means he is the Lord that made that day holy for us. How do any of us dare gainsay God's gift and think we're right to do so?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You just don't get it.

Hehehehehehe

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

How far have we fallen when we snipe at one another over sabbath observance? Really.

No o holy one, not you even snap (soos in Afrikaans, snap) this WHOLE <sniping at one another> is not <over sabbath observance> but over the underlying, all-encompassing, over-whelming SINGLE TRUTH OF FACT: the Day GOD, raised CHRIST "JESUS", from the dead "and THEREFORE Sabbath-rest-day OF GOD REMAINS .. the Seventh Day .. HE, from all HIS works did rest".

For these okes on here as for you it is going over MAN'S <sabbath observance>, but not for God - especially not in the Letter of Hebrews. But here it is ALL about Jesus Christ in fulfilment and perfection of PASSOVER-OF-YAHWEH-REST from the Red of sin Sea grave on the Sabbath.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

How far have we fallen when we snipe at one another over sabbath observance? Really.

The Apostles after Jesus,Yeshiva,Joshua,Emmanuel, left the earth continued to observe the Sabbath. And they walked with Christ.

So, I think for a Christian today to claim sabbath no longer matters, when God made that day for us, is missing the point. Most especially if that Christian goes to church on the sun's day.

If you want to honor the day God made for you, do it. Jesus told his disciples, if you live me keep my commands. He didn't say those commands expire after he ascends.

And yes, he's Lord of the Sabbath. That means he is the Lord that made that day holy for us. How do any of us dare gainsay God's gift and think we're right to do so?

You're loose hands, the sharpest sniper don't worry you're not the sharpest pencil in the packet.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Nothing to do with the appointed times?

1Then the LORD said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them, ‘These are My appointed feasts, the feasts of the LORD that you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.3For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, a day of sacred assembly. You must not do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

4These are the LORD’s appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times. 5The Passover to the LORD begins at twilight on the fourteentha day of the first month. 6On the fifteenth day of the same month begins the Feast of Unleavened Breadb to the LORD. For seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7On the first day you are to hold a sacred assembly; you are not to do any regular work. 8For seven days you are to present an offering made by fire to the LORD. On the seventh day there shall be a sacred assembly; you must not do any regular work.’ ”9And the LORD said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say, ‘When you enter the land that I am giving you and you reap its harvest, you are to bring to the priest a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest. 11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD so that it may be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.12On the day you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a year-old lamb without blemish as a burnt offering to the LORD, 13along with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flourc mixed with oil—an offering made by fire to the LORD, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter hin of wine.d14You must not eat any bread or roasted or new grain until the very day you have brought this offering to your God. This is to be a permanent statute for the generations to come, wherever you live.Acts 2:1–13)

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44So Moses announced to the Israelites the appointed feasts of the LORD.

Leviticus 23:1-44​

I really thought you understood that the argument is the 'day' of Christ's appearance is a period of time, a time in which the revelation of salvation in Christ is revealed:

7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” Hebrews 4:7​

1As God’s fellow workers,a then, we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2For He says:
“In the time of favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.”b
Behold, now is the time of favor; now is the day of salvation!
2 Corinthians 6:1-2
​

The time of Christ's appearing is the 'day' of salvation. And let no one be found to have fallen short of entering into it!


I don't know anything about that.
I just know I don't like his music. Not my style.

Unanswerable Iron Man metaphysics.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

literal circumcision was also a sign that you were in covenant with God, but which we now know is spiritual circumcision, of the heart, by the Spirit, not the written code.

You claim it and in the same breath deny and reject what you have claimed.
You're wasting everybody's time trying to waste the Time and Law of God, his Holy Sabbath Day.

 

[Oceanprayers]

You're loose hands, the sharpest sniper don't worry you're not the sharpest pencil in the packet.

I don't think you should be so hard on yourself there. There are adult education programs that may assist you in becoming functionally literate.
And worst case scenario, there are churches that often volunteer their building for local AA meetings.

I wish you God's speed on whatever path you choose to journey .
God bless.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

the context makes it perfectly clear that Joshua could not possibly give the Israelites the spiritual rest which only Christ can give.

Not so, more BLUFF! If there is nothing of Joshua in the Text nor Context, and there IS, NOTHING!, there is nothing of Joshua in the negative or abnegation. To the contrary, the Text as well as Context is filled to overflowing with the Gospel of the spiritual rest which only Christ can give and DID give.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I don't think you should be so hard on yourself there. There are adult education programs that may assist you in becoming functionally literate.
And worst case scenario, there are churches that often volunteer their building for local AA meetings.

I wish you God's speed on whatever path you choose to journey .
God bless.

I only HATE it that you use the Name of the LORD in vain. Hypocrite!, this is what you came here for, falling into the house with holy smooth talk to as soon as you got in, start with blasphemies like HERE.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

their covenant prevented them from having closeness to God.

<their covenant> isn't God's Covenant of God's Oath, that's clear.
But I want you to answer a question for me, please. Jesus said in Matthew 23:37, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem .. how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings".

Of WHEN does Jesus speak? To every time that Israel "killed the prophets, and stoned them which were sent unto them!

Now the question for YOU to answer: Was it Jesus who wanted to give <them closeness to God> and was it they or the Law that <prevented them from having closeness to God>?

You accuse Christ falsely. You must retract and ask Christ for forgiveness if you've got any integrity.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Not the literal sabbath, but the true sabbath rest - rest from the slavery of sin.

In other words, Ferris Bueller keeps <the true sabbath rest - rest from the slavery of sin>, while anyone who believes the <literal Sabbath> is in slavery to sin. Marvellous guy!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I just don't see where 'strenuous mental gymnastics' need to be employed to understand this:

"16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

Well were this true. But what you have pasted here is not Colossians 2:16-17. Guaranteed NOT! It's some Sunday worshippers' ingenious to suit their idolatry of Sunday worshipping, assisted by Saturday worshippers' ingenious to suit their idolatry of Saturday worshipping. IT IS NO TRANSLATION BUT A CORRUPTION.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus did not change His law

The Seventh Day Sabbath stripped of its sole Truth Content that the Son of God CAME UP FROM DEATH like Israel once came up from the grave of the Red Sea ON IT, us, we puny men, CHANGED it, NULLIFIED it, EMPTIED it from its' very SUBSTANCE: "CHRIST, Substance of Sabbath's Feast" Colossians 2:16.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The resurrection didn't change it.

Christ changed ""the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD being the Lord of the Sabbath to the Lord's Day Holy Day the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD BY, THROUGH, IN, WITH, WHEN HAVING RAISED FROM THE DEAD "the day which is after the Preparation the Weekly Sabbath Day in the late daylight of the Sabbath mid-afternoon inclining towards before the First Day of the week."" Mark the inverted commas for pure SCRIPTURE!
Seventh Day Adventists' defiance despite, you haughty lot of disobedient afraid and scared fearers of the Pope and Papacy.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

One offering on the first day didn't change it.

Belittling the "all exceeding greatness of God's Power when He raised up Christ from the dead, exalting Christ above all, enthroning Him at God's Right Hand: HIS HEAVENLY MAJESTY THE ALL IN ALL FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD GIVEN TO THE CHURCH AS HEAD."

Yes, that's what you're denying; that's what you're belittling, stating: <One offering on the first day didn't change it.>. Only, you increase the insult by making the <one offering> of Christ's Resurrection, God's Greatest Gift of Christ from the dead, an offering of the First Day of the week : the offering OF A LIE!

 

[DuckieLady]

Well nobody can seem to agree.

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him."

James 1:5

Maybe it is better sometimes to ask God himself and be led by the spirit?

I don't want to share why I believe to keep the Sabbath, it is too long and it would only draw more confusion. It just makes more sense to me to say ask. Pray and ask about these things.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

One day, those who refuse to honor the Sabbath will have to answer that question.

One day, those who refuse to acknowledge the honour (Isaiah 58:12-14) which GOD IN CHRIST IN RISING FROM THE DEAD bestowed on the Sabbath “according to the Scriptures the third day” of the Passover of Yahweh in the year of our Lord’s last passover on earth, <will have to answer that question>.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There's no figurative/spiritual Sabbath taught in the Bible. It is a figment of neo-evangelical imaginations.

There's no point in posting Hebrews 4:3-11 and Matthew 11:28-30. You'll just say it's talking about physical rest. But for those who know the law...

"7Get rid of the old leaven, that you may be a new unleavened batch, as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old bread, leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and of truth." 1 Corinthians 5:7-8​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Just search the forum for Colssians 2 and you can probably find a thousand debunkings of this anti-(7th day)Sabbath proof text. I think I even started a thread on it once. I'm sure others have, too. Do we really have to go through this again?

Colossians 2:14-16 - The Law That Was Against Us

Oh, good Lord! That's a pretty big knot to untie, lol!