The Gift Of The Sabbath - Is It For Us? - NEW AND IMPROVED??

[BarneyFife]

No, I never said that people who keep the literal sabbath are slaves to sin.
It's more important that you not bear false witness than keep a literal sabbath. That's what the prophets said.

So, understand that a person is only a slave to sin if they are a slave to sin. Literal sabbath keeping does not signify if you are a slave to sin, or if you aren't a slave to sin. How does keeping a Mosaic sabbath show you are or aren't, for example, hooked on porn, or alcoholic drink? Wouldn't it rather be that not being hooked on porn and alcohol signify that you are not a slave to those sins? Yeah, I know, crazy, huh?

No, it would demonstrate it, not signify it.
Just as the appearance of Sabbath-keeping would demonstrate that someone is making an effort to obey God's commandments.The fruit of the Spirit is the evidence given for us to know if a person is representing God.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Sacrifice and Ministry of Jesus changed it.
His sacrifice made it so we do not have to have a priesthood of Levites, and the laws that governed that priesthood, to offer sacrifices for a sin we no longer have because it has been atoned for through Christ's Ministry and Sacrifice.

"12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well." Hebrews 7:12​

Scriptures don't cancel other Scriptures. There has to be a reconciliation of the paradoxical passages.

The "law was changed" only in that the physical rituals of typical sacrifices are no longer necessary now that the antitypical Sacrifice has come. This ceremonial law still remains as part of Scripture as a schoolmaster and this does not include any of the ten commandments.

Do you really think that believers in the Old Testament were redeemed differently than we are?

No, but their covenant prevented them from having closeness to God.

Is that how Enoch got translated? He walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
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It is. Not the literal sabbath, but the true sabbath rest - rest from the slavery of sin. People who have been set free from sin show that they are in covenant with the God who sanctifies.

If that's problematic for you, consider that literal circumcision was also a sign that you were in covenant with God, but which we now know is spiritual circumcision, of the heart, by the Spirit, not the written code.

There's no question that the sabbath command is part of the Ten C's. That's not the contention here. The fulfillment of the 4th commandment is what is in dispute.

When we enter into rest from our work of sin we enter into God's ordained 'day' of rest. A 'day' established in Christ from the foundation of the world. And so there is no longer any need to keep a literal sabbath to enter into a rest that we are already in to God's complete and total satisfaction.

If this hard to grasp, consider that we no longer have any need to perform literal sacrifices to atone for sin that has already been atoned for to God's complete and total satisfaction. Ditto for circumcision. There is no longer any need to receive a circumcision to accomplish that which is already accomplished for us to God's complete and total satisfaction in Christ.

But we all agree that much more than just a jot or tittle has 'disappeared' from the law. All the laws of animal sacrifice for sin and the laws that governed the Levitical priesthood that administered those sacrifices have 'disappeared' from the law. So we know one of the two conditions Jesus said must be satisfied before anything could disappear from the law has indeed been satisfied. Either the fulfillment has occurred or heaven and earth have passed away. Well, Obviously, the fulfillment has occurred. Christ's fulfillment of the appointed feasts and sabbaths has occurred, therefore, the law can, and has been, changed. So no argument can be made that the law has not changed and can not be changed. The literal sabbath can not be defended using that argument.

The Sabbath needs no defense. It is a default, de facto commandment. It has committed no offense and it is etched in stone with the finger of God just like the other 9 commandments. No lists of appointed feasts or citations to the change from Levitical to Melchizedek priesthood and "law" can change that.

None of this stuff is hard to grasp, and most of it has been beaten like a dead horse. Saying something over and over and over doesn't make it true.

Prooftexts can be piled up to support the most wacked out doctrines imaginable. That's why God put His law on tablets of stone with His own finger. It's reality.

I just found out my wife, my daughter, and I have COVID, so I might have to take a little break.

 

[BarneyFife]

No. It's not a sin anymore to not keep a literal sabbath. That is part of the appointed schedule of worship that became obsolete and no longer needed when Christ accomplished one time for all time what those observances sought to do. And Christ accomplished it in regard to the far greater and meaningful way of the reality - rest from sin - not rest from a mere day of not working the farm.

Hyper-Appointed Theology - lol

 

[BarneyFife]

Anyway, having 53 Thanksgiving days per year is very pleasing to me. I pray everyone could experience it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Actually, they're more like Christmas to a child for me. I'm glad God commanded them.

 

[Oceanprayers]

I only HATE it that you use the Name of the LORD in vain. Hypocrite!, this is what you came here for, falling into the house with holy smooth talk to as soon as you got in, start with blasphemies like HERE.

There's a spirit active in your words that again is not of God.

Stop talking to me please .

 

[Brakelite]

Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—I cannot bear your worthless assemblies...Learn to do right." -

None of which applies to the weekly Sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

I just found out my wife, my daughter, and I have COVID, so I might have to take a little break.

Darn. But I'm sure you know what to do. God bless... Keep out of the trees.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I'm surprised you don't know me better. Both passages speak of both physical and spiritual rest.

Amen

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

None of which applies to the weekly Sabbath.

Correct, but do not confuse with Colossians 2:12-19, and, keep in mind Ferris Bueller's rendering is WRONG -- he left out the emphasized word "your"!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Of course you don't 'have to' obey.

What nonsense! If God said "you shall not" He says "you have to not". Like Eve you are too clever for God. If God gave Eve a choice, to this day no human ever has sinned but exercised his God-given right, sinning. Monstrous, blasphemy the very idea of 'free will'!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

With the Sunday worshippers the LIE is two-fold -- corruption of Scripture and Law, and stealing Jesus' Resurrection for Sunday; with Saturday worshippers the LIE is complicated with a third, free-will choice.

 

[Curtis]

Every SDA needs to read 2 Corinthians chapter three, where Paul says the apostles are the ministers of the new covenant and the law of the Spirit that gives life, which he contrasts with the ten commands, given to Moses on the mountain, that brings death..


The Ten Commands are called the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION.


2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written and engraved in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking many of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.


The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.


The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.


The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is Holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.


If the Ten Commands are still in effect, then the penalty for breaking them is still in effect - thus those who insist on keeping the covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break them.


You can't have one without the other.

Imagine you were doing a ride along with a police officer, and you see that he ignores traffic law violations: speeding, running red lights, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.


During the conversation you have with the officer, he says, "yes, I believe in the traffic laws. I keep those laws, myself - I just don't enforce them".

How do you know the traffic laws are still in effect? They enforce them. Break them, and the penalty under the law is given to the law breaker.


Sabbath day keepers, and Ten Commandment keepers are saying, those commands are still in effect and we keep them, but we just don't enforce them, as is required BY the law.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No. It's not a sin anymore to not keep a literal sabbath. That is part of the appointed schedule of worship that became obsolete and no longer needed when Christ accomplished one time for all time what those observances sought to do. And Christ accomplished it in regard to the far greater and meaningful way of the reality - rest from sin - not rest from a mere day of not working the farm.

EVER EXPLAINING EXPLAINING ZULTSCH. Ever avoiding come to the core, the Foundation, the Substance and Crown: CHRIST THE THIRD DAY ON THE SABBATH ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES RAISED FROM THE DEAD : THE RISEN CHRIST, SUBSTANCE OF SABBATH’S FEAST’S EATING AND DRINKING, HEAD AND NOURISMENT MINISTERED—“OF SABBATH’S FEAST OF CHRIST” ASSEMBLIES!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

the far greater and meaningful way of the reality - rest from sin - not rest from a mere day of not working the farm.

What artificial, PROUD and ghastly comparison or differentiation -- glorifying the GOOD man's ever so self-righteous <rest from sin>, belittling, insulting the <FARMER'S>, ever so simple, humble obedience. Christ at sundry occasion had the unambiguous answer to this phenomenon.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Why would anyone ever want to observe the Sabbath, if they didn't love God

AMEN

 

[Brakelite]

Every SDA needs to read 2 Corinthians chapter three, where Paul says the apostles are the ministers of the new covenant and the law of the Spirit that gives life, which he contrasts with the ten commands, given to Moses on the mountain, that brings death..


The Ten Commands are called the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION.


2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written and engraved in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking many of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.


The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.


The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.


The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is Holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.


If the Ten Commands are still in effect, then the penalty for breaking them is still in effect - thus those who insist on keeping the covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break them.


You can't have one without the other.

Imagine you were doing a ride along with a police officer, and you see that he ignores traffic law violations: speeding, running red lights, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.


During the conversation you have with the officer, he says, "yes, I believe in the traffic laws. I keep those laws, myself - I just don't enforce them".

How do you know the traffic laws are still in effect? They enforce them. Break them, and the penalty under the law is given to the law breaker.


Sabbath day keepers, and Ten Commandment keepers are saying, those commands are still in effect and we keep them, but we just don't enforce them, as is required BY the law.

Those that died didn't die because of the law. Death is the wages of sin. Sin is transgression of the law. Jesus died because of the sin that was placed on Him, He rose because He didn't sin personally.
It ain't the law's fault you die. It's yours.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This ceremonial law still remains as part of Scripture as a schoolmaster and this does not include any of the ten commandments.

It does include it (Leviticus 23:1-3), and that's why I, personally, don't feel compelled to have to keep a literal sabbath like I have to 'not steal'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

None of which applies to the weekly Sabbath.

I'm convinced Isaiah 1:13 does apply to the weekly sabbath. That's why I'm convinced the sabbath command doesn't have the import of commands like 'do not murder'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I just found out my wife, my daughter, and I have COVID, so I might have to take a little break.

Welcome to the club. Now you can tell everyone you have the T-shirt for that. I've got two of them.

Be healed, be well, in Jesus' name.