The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Ferris Bueller]

Again that is what I told you that there is a contradiction. And you can deal what that as you wish.

I showed you it's not a contradiction. You're reading it wrong.

28So Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." Exodus 34:27-28​

'The Lord' goes with 'He wrote', not 'Moses'. We know this from the simple fact that other scriptures say the Lord is the one who wrote on the tablets.

You're committing the two serious errors of false doctrines: 1) you're un-rightly dividing the scriptures, and 2) you're deciding that the parts that don't line up with your theology are false. I'll tell you right now, I stop listening as soon as somebody asserts a portion of scripture is in error. That's a major, major red flag. About as major as it gets.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I think your church says that that each Creation day was 7000 years. (3500 years of darkness, 3500 years of light per day) The Bible says He rested on the 7th day (Where did you guys get each day as 7000 years, anyway?)

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At one time we believed that as well maam, now we think they may not be consistent time lengths.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

According to Mosaic Law, if you break one Law you brake all 613 Mosaic Laws. Which makes what sense?

The law is a single entity. Either you keep it or you don't. If you want to claim the title of 'obedient law keeper' you have to keep them all. James is not saying you're an adulterer, too, if you commit murder. You become a lawbreaker, not an adulterer:

"If you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker." James 2:11​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

I know 'abolished' can be used the way Paul uses it, but the church rarely does that. Jesus fulfilled the law of 'eye for eye'. That's what he said he came to do (Matthew 5:17). He's the eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life you and I owe for our offenses. And because it's fulfilled in Christ it can be laid aside in favor of the fulfillment of that law that He has provided.

 

[Oceanprayers]

No he fulfilled it. Because that's what he said he came to do (Matthew 5:17). He's the eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life you and I owe for our offenses. And because it's fulfilled in Christ it can be laid aside in favor of the fulfillment of that law that He has provided.

By fulfilled it meant Jesus kept the law perfectly.
If the law was wholly done away with , Jesus would not have reiterated the 9 commands. And then admonished, if you love me you will keep my commands until I'm crucified. And then they no longer apply .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

By fulfilled it meant Jesus kept the law perfectly.

There's no doubt that Jesus kept the law perfectly. But that's not the same as him fulfilling the law. Fulfilling the law means he satisfied various demands of the law, like the law's demand for death. We don't have to provide the death the law demands that Christ has already provided for us.

If the law was wholly done away with , Jesus would not have reiterated the 9 commands.

You're right, he didn't do away with the whole law. He made large portions of the law obsolete and no longer needed because he fulfilled those parts. Like animal sacrifice for sin. It's not that he kept that law perfectly, he fulfilled it. And because he fulfilled that part of the law we don't have to literally keep it anymore. There's no need to meet the demands of a law that has already had it's demands fulfilled. That's why we don't have to literally keep 'eye for eye' as demanded by the law. For the believer, Christ has already met the demands of that law for us. And so that law becomes obsolete and simply not needed anymore, and thus, it is laid aside. Not broken, laid aside as unneeded now.

And then admonished, if you love me you will keep my commands until I'm crucified. And then they no longer apply .

We are required to literally keep the laws that remain to be literally kept. But any law that has no outstanding obligation to be literally kept by the believer, because Christ fulfilled it's demands, does not have to be literally kept by the believer.

 

[Truth7t7]

Adultery is not in the same league as murder, rape or pedophilia, yes adultery is a sin and wrong but it is with the consent of two people having extramarital affairs, who will have to pay the price come judgement day.

Adultery during the time of Jesus was given the penalty of death by stoning, the woman at the well was forgiven, Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@Oceanprayers , the reason I, personally, don't feel any obligation to keep a literal sabbath is because I'm already at rest to God's complete and total satisfaction, just as I'm already dead, to God's complete and total satisfaction and don't have to die the literal death required by the law.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Adultery during the time of Jesus was given the penalty of death by stoning, the woman at the well was forgiven, Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

What does 'abolished' mean to you?

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7
I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning
Jesus abolished an eye for an eye



@Truth7t7
The Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned but history says....Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she was brought before him to answer for her faith, suffering many tortures and dying a martyr after being thrown down a dry well.




Adultery....things change
And as far as adultery.....it depends on how you look at it....According to Mosaic Law, if you break one Law you brake all 613 Mosaic Laws. Which makes what sense? But some Laws required a death penalty. The Mosaic Laws are witness driven. Meaning they have to testify, and in relation to adultery if the person is found guilty it is a requirement to execute them. Not executing them is another violation punishable by death. Remove the evil among you. Now this goes into the debate of Christ and the adulterous woman...which is another discussion.

Adultery, In ancient times as it was, was a sin and a property crime. Ya know "damaged goods" once someone other than the husband "has" his wife, he can no longer "use" her to bear his children. So in ancient times adultery was a very serious crime that caused men to kill each other. For example if a king wanted a man's wife....he would kill the husband first. That is why Abraham did not resist when people wanted his wife Sarah and why King David had Bathsheba's husband killed in battle.

In modern times Adultery is still a serious sin, but not a property crime. A sin against God and violation of trust and vows, that destroys families. And we still kill each other over it, but religiously and civilly it is not an executable offense.

The sin of adultery hasn't changed, the world around the sin has changed into Sodom and Gomorrah

I never thought I would see the day that countries around the world would allow like sexes to marry

And I really never believed I would see practicing homosexuals behind pulpits proclaiming to be part of Gods Church on earth

 

[Truth7t7]

What does 'abolished' mean to you?

Merriam-Webster
Definition of abolish
transitive verb

: to end the observance or effect of (something, such as a law) :

to completely do away with (something) :

 

[Oceanprayers]

@Oceanprayers , the reason I, personally, don't feel any obligation to keep a literal sabbath is because I'm already at rest to God's complete and total satisfaction, just as I'm already dead, to God's complete and total satisfaction and don't have to die the literal death required by the law.

If your belief system makes you dead you're in the wrong faith.
The Sabbath is rest in the spirit of eternal living

 

[Truth7t7]

If your belief system makes you dead you're in the wrong faith.
The Sabbath is rest in the spirit of eternal living

Mark 2:27-28KJV
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Oceanprayers]

Mark 2:27-28KJV
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Lord also, of the Sabbath.
Of course. Because Jesus created the Sabbath for man. Nowhere on his new testimony does he say it is done away.

There's no doubt that Jesus kept the law perfectly. But that's not the same as him fulfilling the law. Fulfilling the law means he satisfied various demands of the law, like the law's demand for death. We don't have to provide the death the law demands that Christ has already provided for us.


You're right, he didn't do away with the whole law. He made large portions of the law obsolete and no longer needed because he fulfilled those parts. Like animal sacrifice for sin. It's not that he kept that law perfectly, he fulfilled it. And because he fulfilled that part of the law we don't have to literally keep it anymore. There's no need to meet the demands of a law that has already had it's demands fulfilled. That's why we don't have to literally keep 'eye for eye' as demanded by the law. For the believer, Christ has already met the demands of that law for us. And so that law becomes obsolete and simply not needed anymore, and thus, it is laid aside. Not broken, laid aside as unneeded now.


We are required to literally keep the laws that remain to be literally kept. But any law that has no outstanding obligation to be literally kept by the believer, because Christ fulfilled it's demands, does not have to be literally kept by the believer.

Book, chapter, verse? Where Jesus taught all that you attribute to him?

 

[GEN2REV]

@Truth7t7

Hey, Truth.

There are a couple new threads you might be interested in.
Biblically, when are we told that Christ is returning?

Day of the Lord - Introduction

 

[Enoch111]

Of course. Because Jesus created the Sabbath for man. Nowhere on his new testimony does he say it is done away.

The Sabbath is not "done way". It is now the Christian Sabbath -- the Lord's Day. Only unbelieving Jews observe the 7th day Sabbath. And some Sabbatarians who have been misled.

 

[dad]

Yes, unbelievers.
The Apostles didn't bring the Gospel to those who already accepted it .

They did write to us. In the passage you cited, 1 Jn 1 from verse 5 on, I already showed that it could not have been to unbelievers. Let's be honest.

 

[dad]

The Sabbath is not "done way". It is now the Christian Sabbath -- the Lord's Day. Only unbelieving Jews observe the 7th day Sabbath. And some Sabbatarians who have been misled.

Right, and even in the millennium when nations come up to Jerusalem to worship sabbath to sabbath, the saved Jews observing it at that time will be thinking about Jesus.

 

[dad]

I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning

Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

God never stoned her or ordered it.

 

[Enoch111]

They did write to us. In the passage you cited, 1 Jn 1 from verse 5 on, I already showed that it could not have been to unbelievers. Let's be honest.

The epistles of John (including the first) are DEFINITELY NOT for unbelievers. That is so obvious that it should not even be debatable. "My little children" speaks about the children of God. Yet the hyper-grace crowd falsely claims that the first epistle was written to Gnostics and/or unbelievers, instead of against Gnostics.