Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?
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uhmmmmm well, i had to think about your question. Why am i here?? I like to study God, i suppose in the last couple of years, i’ve been trying to get saved. What i have found instead is frustration. I had no clue it could be so hard to get saved, i guess i’m still looking for the answer to the question of how does one get saved. I like to know answers and learning the truth. I also believe fear of hell is a huge motivating factor. In the last 7 years, i’ve lost about a dozen people in my life, and it brings into question about my own fate. Mix those two things up, it explains what i’m searching for.
Lambano
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Actually, I was thinking of 1 Corinthians 1:22-25:Proverbs 3.5-6....
22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than mankind, and the weakness of God is stronger than mankind.
He wants to see a sign that he's saved, when he has Christ crucified as his sign that he is loved, and the power that can save him. "But Wisdom is justified by her children."
Whatever happened to the classical Reformed position of justification by faith? I see "belief in God" but not "trust in God". There's a world of difference.
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Paul speaks of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith' in Romans.
Lambano
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Well saved is a state of being, not something we do. God awakes us in our inner man to Himself, makes us live, makes us alive.
1 Peter 1:1-9
New International Version
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
Praise to God for a Living Hope
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
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14 Therefore He says:
“Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”
Ephesians 5 New King James Version
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For [a]this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Walk in Light
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather [c]expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:
“Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”
Walk in Wisdom
15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, 16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
“Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”
Ephesians 5 New King James Version
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For [a]this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Walk in Light
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather [c]expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:
“Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”
Walk in Wisdom
15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, 16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
That means obedience to the Gospel. Repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
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interesting …never in my 57 years since I was born again have I wondered if I’ve saved.
Have I ever felt cold in my spirit …yes… have I ever been mad at God for something…..yes…
Nancy , trust me my friend , you are saved , never doubt it even when you doubt it! Haha!
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Rudometkin
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I can relate.
Salvation is looking to Christ.
Whenever I look away from Christ and focus on myself, I am in the lowest pit of that despair.
This is what was stated above: "i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No."
@Rudometkin The writer to the Hebrews in 12.2 exhorts his readers to keep 'looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was before Him endured the cross, despising the shame' and is now seated in glory.
Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?
OP ^
No.
* Christianity is a religion.
* People following the Christianity religion call themselves Christians.
* People water baptized, by a Pastor, in a Christian Church are a member of a Christian Church.
* People Baptized with the Holy Spirit, by the Lord:
^ Are members of Christ’s Church;
^ Are Forgiven for Not having Believed in: Lord God Almighty.
^ Are Spiritually;
heart circumcised, soul saved, spirit quickened, kept, sanctified, covered, justified.
^ Can NEVER again Stand Against God. (sin)
^ Are NOT subject to the Lord Gods Wrath.
* Regardless of Religion or non religious.
People can and do Trespass against one another.
People can and do Forgive each other of Trespasses.
*.A Person Baptized with the Holy Spirit, who forgives a mans Trespasses against him, so also will the Lord forgive that mans trespasses against others.
Sin is man Against God.............God Forgives sin Against Him.
Trespasses are man Against man...Men Forgive Trespasses.
Sin and Trespasses......two different things.
OP ^
No.
* Christianity is a religion.
* People following the Christianity religion call themselves Christians.
* People water baptized, by a Pastor, in a Christian Church are a member of a Christian Church.
* People Baptized with the Holy Spirit, by the Lord:
^ Are members of Christ’s Church;
^ Are Forgiven for Not having Believed in: Lord God Almighty.
^ Are Spiritually;
heart circumcised, soul saved, spirit quickened, kept, sanctified, covered, justified.
^ Can NEVER again Stand Against God. (sin)
^ Are NOT subject to the Lord Gods Wrath.
* Regardless of Religion or non religious.
People can and do Trespass against one another.
People can and do Forgive each other of Trespasses.
*.A Person Baptized with the Holy Spirit, who forgives a mans Trespasses against him, so also will the Lord forgive that mans trespasses against others.
Sin is man Against God.............God Forgives sin Against Him.
Trespasses are man Against man...Men Forgive Trespasses.
Sin and Trespasses......two different things.
The scriptures are very encouraging to our own salvation, not based on emotional pretenses.
Their is also that inner witness from the Holy Spirit to our spirits that we are His.
It is also something you can not explain or teach, we are not taught to know the Lord in the New Covenant, we know Him because of the Holy Spirit at work in us, God WRITES His laws on our hearts, and PUTS His laws into our minds.
Hebrews 8
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Then also this in 2 Corinthians 4, God shines His Light into the hearts of those who then saves, versus the unsaved whose minds are blinded by Satan, who are perishing. God did that shining of His Light in your heart, it is the reason you are saved. Satan obviously can not stop Him from saving you.
Satan blinds the minds of all people and they are perishing until God shines His light individually for those He has chosen to know the truth and be saved. All of us who are saved are like Saul becoming Paul, just that Saul's conversion seems much more dramatic, even though only Saul experienced it, none of the others with him experienced Christ speaking to them.
2 Corinthians 4 New King James Version
The Light of Christ’s Gospel
1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Satan blinds the minds of all people and they are perishing until God shines His light individually for those He has chosen to know the truth and be saved. All of us who are saved are like Saul becoming Paul, just that Saul's conversion seems much more dramatic, even though only Saul experienced it, none of the others with him experienced Christ speaking to them.
2 Corinthians 4 New King James Version
The Light of Christ’s Gospel
1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Ask @BGR
Is there anything in the scripture below that you have not done?
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Have you believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and the God has raised Him from the dead? Then you are saved.
Have you ever confessed Him with your mouth? Then you are saved.
Have you ever called on the name of the Lord to be saved? Then you are saved.
Have you posted that you believed in Him in this forum? Then you ae saved.
Now there is only going on to perfection by living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ by walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son, looking to the author & finisher of our faith , the Lord Jesus Christ, as our Good Shepherd & Friend, to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in running that race to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House by the Bridegroom when He comes.
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
False conversions? No man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him per John 6:44 and the Father reveals His Son to even babes so they can believe in Him & be saved per Matthew 11:25-27 so that means our believing in Him is a work of God as manifested by Him John 3:18-21
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Since you believe in Him, that is the Father's work for how you know you are saved, otherwise, you would have continued in unbelief.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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However the saints persevere in faith. They continue to believe, the one that fall away, and do not believe are not saved. This is not a loss of salvation, those who fall away were never saved, Jesus will tell them, I never knew you.
Hebrews 3
New King James Version
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.
5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
Here are some non fruit bearers, who are not saved, versus those wo do bear fruit to God who are saved. And to those who are OUTSIDE, everything is in parables so they will not be saved.
Luke 8
9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”
10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the [f]mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
‘Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.’
The Parable of the Sower Explained
11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of [g]temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.[h]
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
Here are some non fruit bearers, who are not saved, versus those wo do bear fruit to God who are saved. And to those who are OUTSIDE, everything is in parables so they will not be saved.
Luke 8
9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”
10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the [f]mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
‘Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.’
The Parable of the Sower Explained
11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of [g]temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.[h]
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