Which kind of FAITH regarding JESUS do you have?

[Christ4Me]

The shunning is for their own good to convict them to repent.

James 5:
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

2 Corinthians 2:
6 This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. 8 Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. 9 For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive.

Even so, the only way they can forgive him is not in the middle of his sin in spite of it, but after his repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted

@Timtofly @robert derrick @dad @Ronald David Bruno

I agree that the end result is physical death if they do not repent ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) and God will destroy both the body & soul ( the vitality as in losing that first inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House ) of the Christian, but the spirit is still saved as the prodigal son is still son.

What believers do not understand is that there are 2 kinds of eternal inheritance; the one we are running that race for, is the eternal glory that comes WITH our salvation in Christ Jesus and that is to be that vessel unto honor in His House, the high prize of our calling, and not just for the crowns. That first fruit of the resurrection are like the angels that never die and do not marry and has a mansion in our Father's House.

Those who do not repent from iniquity are disqualified as in reprobates as they will be left behind to die a physical death, when their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth. Only the power of the second death will not be over them which indicates that the power of the first death still does. To be kings and priests, they have to lead by examples and marry, raising up the generations by managing their own house as they would any part of the kingdom of heaven on earth. They will not have a place in the City of God, New Jerusalem but they can visit on occasions for a short stay while representing that City of God and the King of kings from other parts of the world. Also they can eat from the tree of life which is for the healing of the nations in that City of God.

So there is a big difference between the two eternal inheritance because after 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be released from the pit after a 1000 years to stage a last rebellion for a small season and then defeated and cast into the lake of fire along with death and hell; which tells me that is when the glorified terrestrial ones will have eternal life and can never die then for when Jesus gives the completed kingdom of heaven back to the Father as sin & death will never separate us from God ever again.

But in the meantime, that first fruit of the resurrection is the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House and we do that by faith in Jesus Christ also looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so we can be found abiding in Him to be received by the Bridegroom.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I agree that the end result is physical death if they do not repent ( Revelation 2:18-25 ) and God will destroy both the body & soul ( the vitality as in losing that first inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House ) of the Christian, but the spirit is still saved as the prodigal son is still son.

The son came home (repentance).

There are three parts of us. The spirit, soul and body. The spirit and soul make up our nature which is born again. The spirit is not saved if the soul isn't also.

 

[Behold]

You cannot take carnal desires into heaven.

Your theology here is your own invention.

If you read a NT, you find that God saved us when we were "UNGODLY"....and "while we were YET SINNERS"...not after we stopped........so, if the UNGODLY , and the "yet sinners" are saved, then that is why you go to heaven.
Just ask Jesus, as He is the only WAY there.
So, its Not because you didnt have a sinful thought today or tomorrow., that you go to Heaven.

Being born again is the Spirit being birthed , only.
The mind is not born again........this is why Paul tells you that you must "RENEW your MIND".
You would not have to renew it, if it was born again.

 

[Episkopos]

Your theology here is your own invention.

If you read a NT, you find that God saved us when we were "UNGODLY"....and "while we were YET SINNERS"...not after we stopped........so, if the UNGODLY , and the "yet sinners" are saved, then that is why you go to heaven.
Just ask Jesus, as He is the only WAY there.
So, its Not because you didnt have a sinful thought today or tomorrow., that you go to Heaven.

Being born again is the Spirit being birthed , only.
The mind is not born again........this is why Paul tells you that you must "RENEW your MIND".
You would not have to renew it, if it was born again.

Jesus paid a great cost to give us access to the initial grace that changes our hearts...as a gift! In return...if we are to be His disciples, we in turn pay the price of being a "living sacrifice" in order that we be conformed to Christ in our minds and behaviour.

So then God comes to us....and then we go to God. That is how relationship with God is established. "Christ in you" is the HOPE of glory. But to enter into Christ (the narrow door) is to walk in His victory and His glory. Those who walk IN Him are filled with the Spirit...where no stain of sin can enter.

The mind can only be renewed to be Christ-like when we accept the sacrificial walk of Jesus for ourselves. We learn by walking in the power of Christ. We learn in the purity of holiness as we abide in Him.

 

[Behold]

Do you or don't you recognize that there is a false teaching of believing IN Jesus, and that his blood covers our sins from the view of the Father and they are lost?

If the blood of Jesus does not forgive all sin, then Jesus wasted His life on the Cross.

Ive good news for you, 1stcenturylady...
Your theology is Cross Rejection in Public, but God's Grace isn't.

 

[Behold]

Jesus paid a great cost to give us access to the initial grace that changes our hearts...as a gift! In return...if we are to be His disciples, We in turn pay the price of being a "living sacrifice"

You just changed the Grace of God into...."here is what i have to do to save myself". I have to "pay a price".....as if you are required to to this to go to heaven.

Listen, the only Price paid for you to go to heaven is the one God paid, as Christ on the Cross to become your WAY TO GOD. John 14:6


LEGALISM......Its all you ever speak about, and that is why you can show no post, no Thread, that gives CHRIST all the Credit due Him for Salvation.

 

[David H.]

You just changed the Grace of God into...."here is what i have to do to save myself". I have to "pay a price".....as if you are required to to this to go to heaven.

Listen, the only Price paid for you to go to heaven is the one God paid, as Christ on the Cross to become your WAY TO GOD. John 14:6


LEGALISM......Its all you ever speak about, and that is why you can show no post, no Thread, that gives CHRIST all the Credit due Him for Salvation.

Luke 19:11-27

Salvation is a free gift (Pound Talent), What you do with that Gift determines your place in the Kingdom. What you are doing is telling everyone to hide it in a napkin. (verse 20)

 

[Behold]

Luke 19:11-27
Salvation is a free gift (Pound Talent), What you do with that Gift determines your place in the Kingdom. What you are doing is telling everyone to hide it in a napkin. (verse 20)

What im doing is lifting up the Cross, so that the born again here, can see that Jesus on it, is the only reason they will go to Heaven.
Why do i do that so much? Its because Paul said that Jesus sent him not to water baptize but to "preach Christ Crucified", and im a disciple of Paul who said...>"be a follower of me as i follow Christ".
All i teach is : "Pauline Theology">

Also....on this forum, and on every "christian" forum, you find so much "self saving " being taught...> or "how you can lose you salvation" = Cross denying commandment worshiping Legalism being preached to death.
So, im the antidote. Im the push back. Im that one.
Im happy to do it.
Im a evangelist with a teaching gift of the Spirit.
This is why my posts and all my Threads, lead you to Christ, Lift up the Cross and show you how to rightly divide.

See, if you read my 200+ Threads ive posted here, you'll discover that in every one, i teach "Christ Crucified" as "the Gift of God"..>"without works".
I do the same in nearly every post, and that is thousands of Posts.
THats what i do here.
I push back against Cross denying theology that is 90% of what is found here on this Forum that is never moderated, never stopped.

So, that is not "Hiding a talent", that is exposing the heresy.

 

[David H.]

What im doing is lifting up the Cross, so that the born again here, can see that Jesus on it, is the only reason they will go to Heaven.
Why do i do that so much?
Its because on this forum, and on every "christian" forum, you find so much "self saving"...>"how you can lose you salvation".....Cross denying Legalism being preached to them.
So, im the antidote. Im the push back. Im that one.
See, if you read my 200+ Threads, you'll discover that in every one, i teach "Christ Crucified" as "the Gift of God"..>"without works".
I do the same in never every post, and that is thousands of Posts.
THats what i do here.
I push back against Cross denying theology that is 90% of what is found here on this Forum.

So, that is not "Hiding a talent", that is exposing the heresy.

All you are doing is teaching them to be least in the kingdom of God. To not walk in the Spirit and to not be sanctified in the Spirit and to not produce the fruit of the Spirit because of a fear of "legalism". Is Legalism a problem? Yes, but causing them to fear legalism is not the way. This is of the spirit of fear. We as believers walk in the Spirit of God...

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:10)

So your fear mongering works in reverse of the fear of losing salvation of the legalist, It stunts growth into Christ Jesus and the mind of Christ. You have taken the doctrine of rest and made it into an excuse for complacency, turning the grace of God into Lasciviousness. In other words, taking the gift of God and hiding it in a napkin.

 

[Behold]

All you are doing is teaching them to be least in the kingdom of God.

Actually, what will cause them to remain "least in the KOG"< is if they spend all their Christian LIFE, as a baby believer, who does nothing but "sin, repent, confess"....repeat.

Is that you, David?

See that?
That ONE is the least, and will remain so.

Cure?
Read my THREADS, as i teach how to stop the "sinning and confessing" failed Discipleship, so THAT, you can become a real Trophy of God's Grace, and become useful to Him.....Which places you in the real work that gains for you all your life those rewards that Jesus will give at the Bema seat.

 

[MatthewG]

What some do not recognize is that there are two kinds of faith regarding Jesus.

The faith in Jesus doesn't end in freedom from sin.
The faith of Jesus in you DOES give us complete freedom from sin. This is when you are completely filled with the Spirit of Christ and have His nature. You become one. John 17.

Those who keep sinning but call themselves Christians are not safe from hell. Satan doesn't care if you believe IN Jesus and have faith IN Him, as long as you keep sinning and stay away from the faith OF Jesus. Then you are his. Romans 6:15-16. Yes, we all need to start with faith IN Jesus. That is the Holy Spirit drawing us, but we MUST be born again into the faith OF Jesus. His faith and nature in us.

Hello to you 1st CenturyLady, and any reader of this post,

Just desired to share with you my two cents which may be worth nothing,

God does care if you believe in Jesus and have faith in Him.

Sin has consequences... if you are hateful to a person, isn't there a consequence for that?
If you are demeaning to a person, or you judge them saying you aren't doing this or you are not doing that, is there not a consequence for that?

Sin, if you make the choice by your own temptations which is stated in James.

The devil doesn't do anything to make you make the choice to indulge in sin it is yourself, it possibly could be because of up brining from the parents you live with, or from conditioning of other people around you...

If you share the word of God with others and they participate in study of the Bible and listening to the word, the word washes them, their mind is renewed by hearing the word of God which increases faith, and they by the spirit overall will change, but they will never be in the sense completely sin free other wise Apostle John was a liar when he mentioned in 1 John, about how if we say we have no sin we are liar and deceive our selves.

The only way to be set free of sin of course is to seek out God, and have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ which frees you from the ministry of death = Law of Moses. Into the Ministry of Grace, and ministry of the spirit = New Covenant.

In Love,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[David H.]

Actually, what will cause them to remain "least in the KOG"< is if they spend all their Christian LIFE, as a baby believer, who does nothing but "sin, repent, confess"....repeat.

Is that you, David?

See that?
That ONE is the least, and will remain so.

Cure?
Read my THREADS, as i teach how to stop the "sinning and confessing" failed Discipleship, so THAT, you can become a real Trophy of God's Grace, and become useful to Him.....Which places you in the real work that gains for you all your life those rewards that Jesus will give at the Bema seat.

Repentance is key to the sanctification of the Spirit, to not teach this is to not be sanctified in the Spirit which is the point of my last comment. So You are doing exactly what i said, teaching the believer to take the gift given them and hiding it in a napkin. You in fact are keeping believers in infancy. It is not just you, but large segments of modern evangelicalism that do this.

You want to be a testimony to the legalist who uses fear to motivate, show them your works of faith done in freedom from condemnation.

Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; (2 Timothy 1:6-8)

 

[Christ4Me]

The son came home (repentance).

I believe the seal of adoption is not going any where for why he is still son and why he will be coming home regardless. Having lost that inheritance, he has learned his lesson the hard way.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Just as the Father will chasten and scourge every son He receives that do not resist sin & that can involve being left behind.

Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

There are three parts of us. The spirit, soul and body. The spirit and soul make up our nature which is born again. The spirit is not saved if the soul isn't also.

The soul is the vitality of the life saved. If it gets destroyed, that is how a vessel unto honor, the vessels of golf & silver that would have been as the angels that never die & never marry, but found in iniquity, becomes the vessel unto dishonor, the vessel of earth & wood, to be resurrected after the great tribulation to eat from the tree of life for the healing of the nations, marry, and rule with Christ as kings & priests from all over the world.

 

[Episkopos]

You just changed the Grace of God into...."here is what i have to do to save myself". I have to "pay a price".....as if you are required to to this to go to heaven.

Listen, the only Price paid for you to go to heaven is the one God paid, as Christ on the Cross to become your WAY TO GOD. John 14:6


LEGALISM......Its all you ever speak about, and that is why you can show no post, no Thread, that gives CHRIST all the Credit due Him for Salvation.

You said...Christ on the Cross to become your WAY TO GOD....but then when I suggest to do that very thing...you call it being saved by works. You are trying to avoid God, avoid reality and avoid the victory of Christ...and then calling that salvation. What kind of salvation tries to avoid going to God?

You are trying to obscure your lawlessness by saying any expectation of a holy life is based on LEGALISM.

How foolish.

The cross of Christ is the MEANS that gives us the power to DO what God wants us to do. That is called OBEDIENCE...not legalism. The irony is that you have made grace to be a legalistic alternative to obedience.

All people are saved by mercy. But there is MORE than mercy that God wants to give us access to...He wants us to walk in victory leading to glory. In your scheme that victory is seen as woks and legalism. The NT is about glory...not just salvation. But your downgrading of what grace is obscures the will of God so you can avoid God and call it salvation.

What you are really advocating is a salvation AWAY from God and responsibility. But Jesus didn't die for the sins of the world to bring in the anarchy of lawlessness. The Holy Spirit makes us MORE responsible for our actions, not less so.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Your theology here is your own invention.

If you read a NT, you find that God saved us when we were "UNGODLY"....and "while we were YET SINNERS"...not after we stopped........so, if the UNGODLY , and the "yet sinners" are saved, then that is why you go to heaven.
Just ask Jesus, as He is the only WAY there.
So, its Not because you didnt have a sinful thought today or tomorrow., that you go to Heaven.

Being born again is the Spirit being birthed , only.
The mind is not born again........this is why Paul tells you that you must "RENEW your MIND".
You would not have to renew it, if it was born again.

That is right. We cannot stop sinning UNTIL we have received the Holy Spirit of Christ. He died on the cross so our old sin nature could also die on that same cross and we could be raised up to live this life righteously. Revelation 22:11

Jesus never sinned though he was born of a human woman. Why? Because He was conceived with the seed of the Father, so from birth he was sinless, and by dying on the cross has provided a way for those who recognize their unworthiness due to their sin nature to cry out to Jesus and He then cleanses us from all those past sins and takes out the old man that produced the sin, and put in us the same seed of the Father, making us born again. Now we are sinless, and all that past filthiness has been cleansed. And because of our love for God for His mercy toward us, we keep ourselves clean and keep His commandments of love. 1 John 3:3; 1 John 5:18. 1 John 3:21-24. 1 John 3:4-9.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If the blood of Jesus does not forgive all sin, then Jesus wasted His life on the Cross.

Ive good news for you, 1stcenturylady...
Your theology is Cross Rejection in Public, but God's Grace isn't.

His blood DOES cleanse us from all unrighteousness, and takes away the old sin nature so we have no desire to sin again in the present or future.

 

[MatthewG]

“If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭NLT‬‬
1 John 1:8-10 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wick | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Sin has consequences... if you are hateful to a person, isn't there a consequence for that?
If you are demeaning to a person, or you judge them saying you aren't doing this or you are not doing that, is there not a consequence for that?

Sin, if you make the choice by your own temptations which is stated in James.

That's the point. The faith OF Jesus doesn't sin.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to you 1st,

Allowing Jesus Christ through you when you are living your life by faith is him (Jesus) not sinning through you.

Your flesh will still fall short from time to time though it may be less than it when you first became a Christian is my understanding, @1stCenturyLady.

My question to you is do you believe you can stop sinning completely in your flesh and become perfect like Jesus was? Or is by the spirit that Christ and the Holy Spirit of God working in and through you and they are the cause of the good fruits?

in love,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[1stCenturyLady]

“If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭NLT‬‬
1 John 1:8-10 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wick | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Paul wrote that to those under the law who did not recognize the sin in their nature. 1 John 1:8 are those kinds of people. Even the Jews who kept the law still needed Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit, just like the guy in 1 John 1:8 needed to confess his sin (nature) to be cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. A person who is then sinless, is not lying if they acknowledge what Jesus did, and sins no more. 1 John 3:4-9