The Desecration of the Second Temple.

[Earburner]

Well; all that is over a thousand years away yet.
We will have Jesus to teach us during the Millennium, so all that final stuff and Eternity, will become clear then.

But the confusion and shocking ignorance of events about the end of this age, is the tragedy. Many are deceived and that sets them up to fall away when what they expected doesn't happen.

If YOU don't "watch", then you better watch out!
You just might be a member of "the church of Sardis", Revelation 3:1-6. Be very cautious about "church-ianity" and it's theological, religious deceptions. What you currently may be listening to, is a bunch of philisophical and heady ideas, being Not That Wright.

So, which event of "God's fire" is going to descend first, and be only once?
From my hybrid perspective of the "Amillennial viewpoint", both descriptions of 2 Thessalonians 1:8 and Revelation 20:9 are one and the same event.

For example, who really is Gog and Magog:
Is it people of the unsaved now?
2 Thes. 1[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Or is it people of the unsaved, after another 1000 years?
Rev. 20[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The clue here is in Rev. 20:9.
What is a "camp"**, but that being each of us, who are now saved, in our temporary dwelling place of our corrupted flesh, having the "treasure" of God's Holy Spirit dwelling [tabernacling] within our "EARTH-en" vessels", waiting for the Glorious Return of Jesus' from Heaven.

However, just before Jesus' return, the "MoB" for business and trade/for buying or selling, will be manifested and mandated upon all people, in the form of CBDC digital money.
That situation is described in Rev. 3[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Many Born Again Christians (God's camp) will be persecuted and some put to death. "The Image☆
of the Beast system will seek to kill all who do not give their allegiance to it. It will simply be "Comply or die".

The religious christians will be deluded into thinking that this must be the Millennium that they believed the prophets were talking about. And of course they will fall for it, because, who doesn't (of their flesh) want to "Save the Planet", and have "peace and safety"?
Ans. Born Again Christians, that's who!!

Why? We know that "sudden destruction shall come upon them, and they shall NOT escape."
Jesus in all His Glory, in flaming fire, shall suddenly appear from Heaven and destroy them all, who believed not in the Gospel.

Little will the "religious christians" realize that it is the wealthy Zionist Elitists, who have orchestrated THEIR own concept of a millennium. But first, there is planned Global Chaos.
Today, we know of it as the "NWO", aka "The Great Reset".
The present global plan-demic of Covid-19 is the precursor to it.
☆See UN Agenda 2030.


**In symbolism, to the above situation of a "camp", is the Feast of Booths/Tabernacles.

Maybe you should think more in line with the Mind of Christ, of what the Spirit is saying, and less of the literal Jewish words, that the OT is written in.

 

[Keraz]

Maybe you should think more in line with the Mind of Christ, of what the Spirit is saying, and less of the literal Jewish words, that the OT is written in

I do both; I keep in the Mind of Christ and take careful note of all the Words of the Bible.
And I reject your unbiblical ideas about Agenda 2030 and a mandated 'Mark of the Beast'.

The Lord has promised to protect His own people. Revelation 12:14 says how He will do it.

 

[Earburner]

The spiritual symbolism of the Feast of Booths/Tabernacles is relative to the following meanings:
Seven Days in Booths
God led His people through the desert, protected them, provided for them and healed them. Wandering in the desert, the Hebrews camped along the way, that is why God commanded Israel to build and live in temporary “dwellings” for a week at this time of year. The booths or tents are also a symbol of the fact that we are sojourners on earth.

God told Moses to share with the people the following commandment:
Celebrate this as a festival to the Lord for seven days each year. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come; celebrate it in the seventh month. Live in temporary shelters for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in such shelters so your descendants will know that I had the Israelites live in temporary shelters when I brought them out of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’ Leviticus 23:41-43.

> Through the blood of Christ we are brought out/delivered from the captivity of sin and eternal death, and are made to be New creatures (beings) in Christ Jesus. 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15.

Therefore, we who are Born Again of His Spirit, no longer live out our wills to our own pleasure, but rather by/through the will of Him who died for us.
Galatians 2:20

So then, in comparison to our New fate with eternity, our home is no longer here.
Where once our flesh and blood bodies were our home, now through Jesus, we see them as nothing more than a temporary tent in a "camp" of other born again believers, having no longer any permanent home in this world, but rather in the New heavens and New earth to come, where God [6] ...hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 2:5-6

The world thinks that we are a peculiar people, an oddity, having nothing in common with them, because of the hope that lies within us.
What other people are there, that are "looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"
And in it's place, we seek nothing less than that which is according to his promise, which is to look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth [God's] Righteousness."

There are no others, except His Born Again Saints.
Romans 8:8-9, Revelation 3:20.


How is the Feast of Tabernacles Observed?.

 

[Earburner]

I do both; I keep in the Mind of Christ and take careful note of all the Words of the Bible.
And I reject your unbiblical ideas about Agenda 2030 and a mandated 'Mark of the Beast'.

The Lord has promised to protect His own people. Revelation 12:14 says how He will do it.

KJV-Rev. 12[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child [Jesus].
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent [who was kept at bay/bound]
> Of the only two women that are symbolically spoken of in the NT, which one is being spoken of in Rev.12? See Galatians 4:23-31.
Is that "woman" the "bond woman" or the "free woman"?
Of course, it is the "free woman", being Heavenly Jerusalem above, the true "Israel of God", having nothing to do with the Israel of flesh, that now is.

So then, when did the "Israel of God" begin to receive their "nourishment" for 3.5 years in the wilderness?
In the first appearance of Jesus, along with the co-witness of John the Baptist.

[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water [deception] as a flood after the [free] woman , that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood [deception].
[16] And the earth helped the [free] woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed [born again Christians], which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Earburner]

^ "The Lord has promised to protect His own people. Revelation 12:14 says how He will do it."

> Yes, and that He shall, as I so quoted:
Rev.3[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

 

[Earburner]

At the very end of the Age of the Grace of God (a thousand years), just before Jesus Returns in flaming fire, there will be the separation of the goats from the sheep.
The "MoB", legislated and enforced by the Image of the beast, shall surely and effectively perform that separation.

 

[Keraz]

At the very end of the Age of the Grace of God (a thousand years), just before Jesus Returns in flaming fire, there will be the separation of the goats from the sheep.
The "MoB", legislated and enforced by the Image of the beast, shall surely and effectively perform that separation.

What confused and unbiblical error.
Jesus does NOT Return in flaming fire and it must be before the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus on earth.
He separates the 'sheep from the goat' peoples, when He Returns. Matthew 25:31-33 Which is at the Seventh Bowl; the Battle of Armageddon.
The Mark of the Beast cannot be enforced until Satan has world control; for the final 42 months of this age. Revelation 13:5-8

I think this conversation is over. You keep your beliefs and I will stick to mine.

 

[Earburner]

What confused and unbiblical error.
Jesus does NOT Return in flaming fire and it must be before the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus on earth.
He separates the 'sheep from the goat' peoples, when He Returns. Matthew 25:31-33 Which is at the Seventh Bowl; the Battle of Armageddon.
The Mark of the Beast cannot be enforced until Satan has world control; for the final 42 months of this age. Revelation 13:5-8

I think this conversation is over. You keep your beliefs and I will stick to mine.

Yes, I agree that when Jesus returns in all His Glory, in [His Everlasting] flaming fire* the goats will also receive their reward**.
You forgot to include what happens to the "goats"
In verse [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Notes:
* Heb.12[29] For our God is a consuming fire.

** Rev.22[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. That reward is either eternal life or eternal death, as is simply shown in John 3:18.

Since God is a consuming fire, and it is everlasting, the goats and the earth will be totally burned up/melted by His fervent heat, aka the lake of fire.
The destruction of the earth, the goats and the graves will be instantly burned up for everlasting eternity.

When Jesus suddenly returns (revealed from Heaven) with the intense, everlasting flames and heat of His being, there won't be anytime at all for Him to explain anything to anyone. It will be extreme joy for us , but terrible wailing for them, who are not saved.

The sheep are instantly changed into His immortality, and caught UP into the air, to be with Him, while at the same time, the goats will be in flames before they hit the ground/a lake of lava fire.
It will be that quick, as in "the twinkling of an eye".

There will be no hanging around for what you think will be, an additional thousand years, for an extension of a second chance, of another age of His Grace.

So yes, it's all about WHEN He shall be revealed from Heaven in flaming fire, and how it will be that
"he cometh with clouds [of angels]; and every eye shall SEE him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." Rev. 1:7

Are you made to be "ready" by Him?
We who are of faith need to know that we ARE, by "having the faith OF Jesus", and not that of a religious faith by one's own doing.
Have you been "Born again"?
Do you have His "extra oil" within YOUR vessel?
Or are you still outside the KoG, running parallel to it, on the outside looking in? Matthew 25:1-13
See also- Romans 8:8-9, Luke 11:13, Revelation 3:20.

It is sometimes difficult to tell the difference between those who are the wheat and those who are the tares. Matthew 13:24-40
Make no mistake, ever since Pentecost, we have been in the Age of God's Harvest, but soon it shall end upon the Day WHEN Jesus is revealed from Heaven, and not on earth.

 

[Earburner]

Since everlasting fire will be He who comes down/descends from out of Heaven, and EVERY eye shall SEE Him in that day, you should know that the source of that everlasting fire shall not be hidden.
Armageddon and that of Gog and Magog are synonymous with the visual revealing of Jesus from Heaven.
But you can't perceive that, because you are filtering all of eschatology through the Jewish belief of a literal one thousand years, believing that the Immortal Jesus will be on the earth. Sorry, I don't buy into that false concept.
We are in the symbolic 1000 years, ever since Pentecost.

Yes, we are at an impasse.

 

[Earburner]

What confused and unbiblical error.
Jesus does NOT Return in flaming fire and it must be before the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus on earth.

No!! That is what the Theologians of "church-ianity" teach, and they are Not That Wright.

No one will be seeing any angels doing the separating of the goats from the sheep. It's a parable, being highly symbolic, in order to reveal a single truth. Jesus explained that parable to His disciples.

The "MoB" will indeed be the tool/instrument that shall gather, separate and bind the "tares" together in bundles, just before they are BURNED by Jesus being revealed from Heaven.

Please notice what happens to the goats before they are burned by the sudden return of Jesus in flaming fire.
Matthew 13[28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
[29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[Earburner]

^ What barn? And how are we, the wheat, gathered?
During this Age of God's Grace, all Born Again Saints are being gathered into the "barn" of Heavenly Jerusalem.
The last gathering, is the remnant who are alive and remain at His coming. All of those, who have died in Christ, He shall bring with Him, aka the Heavenly City.

2Thes.2
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [in the air].....
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that [the]* man [plural] of sin be revealed**, the son of perdition [destruction].
* TRGreek uses the word "the", allowing it to be read in the plural, just as one reads "the natural man" in the plural.
** The "MoB" will reveal who the men of sin, the sons of destruction are.

That day of Christ's return WILL NOT TAKE PLACE, until there is a separation of the goats from the wheat. The "MoB" will surely do that.
In that "hour of temptation", there will come "a falling away" from faith, thus fulfilling the rhetorical question of Jesus:
Luke.18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

The answer is Yes, but only in His Born Again
Saints, who ARE waiting and "watching" for Him.
Heb.9[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time, without sin unto salvation.

 

[Keraz]

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The 'goats' will die, in the Great Trib and at Armageddon. They will all have the Mark of the 'beast'.
But their going into the Lake of Fire does not happen until the final Judgment; Revelation 20:11-15

Yes, we are at an impasse.

Your belief of AMill, precludes any agreement between us.
Prophecy tells us that for those whose understanding is blocked because of false beliefs; then after His terrible Day of fiery wrath, then; understanding will be be given to them:
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth this people, a people whose eyes are blind, whose ears are deaf.

Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?

Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

Isaiah 29:24 Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.

 

[Earburner]

The 'goats' will die, in the Great Trib and at Armageddon. They will all have the Mark of the 'beast'.
But their going into the Lake of Fire does not happen until the final Judgment; Revelation 20:11-15

Revelation 16[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[15] Behold, I come as a thief. See Mark 13:35-37
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments , lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. See Matthew 22:8-11, Romans 8:8-9 to understand what the wedding garment is.

[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
See Revelation 19:11-21
Questions: when and how did the Lake of fire begin?
See verses Revelation 19:19-20.

How large is the Lake of fire?
1. As large as New Zealand?
2. Bigger than the USA?
3. The entire earth?
See 2 Peter 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
The answer is:
#3. The entire earth will be a lake of fire on the day of Armageddon.

[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements [earth] shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth
[God's] righteousness.

 

[Keraz]

The entire earth will be a lake of fire on the day of Armageddon.

This is not what we are told will happen when Jesus Returns. He merely disposes of the armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word and the scavengers eat the carcasses. NOT burned at all.
Your mixing up of the Prophesies, leads to confusion and error.

It is evident that there are two separate ‘Days of the Lord’ in which the Lord acts to punish His enemies. The Sixth Seal, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, is the next prophesied event that we can expect, of a worldwide judgement/punishment by fire from the sun, which will clear and cleanse His Land. Most clearly described in Isaiah 30:25-30, Isaiah 63:1-6 and Habakkuk 3:12 ‘Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.’ But the Lord is not seen: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11

Then, much later, at the Return of Jesus, is the Sixth and Seventh Bowl fulfilment, the great Day of the Sovereign Lord, when He Returns in glory, seen by everyone; as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to reign on earth for the next thousand years.
Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:3-5

 

[Earburner]

It is evident that there are two separate ‘Days of the Lord’ in which the Lord acts to punish His enemies. The Sixth Seal, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, is the next prophesied event that we can expect, of a worldwide judgement/punishment by fire from the sun, which will clear and cleanse His Land. Most clearly described in Isaiah 30:25-30, Isaiah 63:1-6 and Habakkuk 3:12 ‘Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.’ But the Lord is not seen: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11

I would have responded earlier, but I either lost this site/forum for a few days, or it was down altogether. I could not get access, until just now, after giving it a rest for a few days.

You are saying that there are Two separate days of the Lord's vengeance and wrath??
I strongly doubt that very much! That is why I gave you the clue* in my previous post. It was so that you would notice that His Glorious return in flaming fire is a one time event of forever destruction.

We have Jesus Himself revealing it as being similar to that of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Luke.17[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

* See 2 Peter 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief....
Revelation 16[15] Behold, I come as a thief...

Is Jesus returning as a thief two times??
I doubt it very much!!

 

[Keraz]

His Glorious return in flaming fire is a one time event of forever destruction.

This idea is contrary to the 3 specific prophesies about the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.
1/ Zechariah 14:3-4...He splits the Mt of Olives and destroys the armies of the Anti-Christ. Then He becomes King over all the earth. Zechariah 14:9 and the nations will come to worship Him; Zechariah 14:16-21

2/ Matthew 24:29-31 .. After the time of distress, [the Great Tribulation] He will appear and send out His angels to gather His people.

3 Reve,ation 19:11-21 Jesus Returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and destroys the AC;s armise by the Sword of His Word.

The idea of total destruction at the Return, is quite wrong and will not happen as you think.

Is Jesus returning as a thief two times??

Jesus 'comes as a thief', unexpectedly; at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
His Return will not be a surprise, as it will happen exactly 1260 days after the AC desecrates the Temple.

 

[Earburner]

This idea is contrary to the 3 specific prophesies about the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.
1/ Zechariah 14:3-4...He splits the Mt of Olives and destroys the armies of the Anti-Christ. Then He becomes King over all the earth. Zechariah 14:9 and the nations will come to worship Him; Zechariah 14:16-21

2/ Matthew 24:29-31 .. After the time of distress, [the Great Tribulation] He will appear and send out His angels to gather His people.

3 Reve,ation 19:11-21 Jesus Returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and destroys the AC;s armise by the Sword of His Word.

The idea of total destruction at the Return, is quite wrong and will not happen as you think.

Jesus 'comes as a thief', unexpectedly; at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
His Return will not be a surprise, as it will happen exactly 1260 days after the AC desecrates the Temple.

Of course, I don't interpret Zechariah the same as you.

Zech.14 Verses 16 to 21
[16a] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem
[16b] shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
> [16a] That event took place in 70 AD., being the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple, under the Roman Titus, as prophesied of in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
> [16b-17] We all have been in the time of the Feast of Tabernacles/Booths, ever since the day of Pentecost.
In the temporary dwelling place of our bodies, the Lord has been dwelling within born again Christians, through the Person of the Holy Spirit, aka symbolically, the "rain".
> 2 Corinthians 4[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
> [7] But we have this [His] treasure in [our] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain [aka the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:8-9]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen [all the unsaved] that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles [repentance towards God through Jesus]. Again, see Romans 8:9.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles [have faith in Jesus and recieve God's Holy Spirit].

[20] In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
[21] Yea, every pot [born again Christian, aka a new creature in His holiness] in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice [believe in God's Sacrifice] shall come and take of them [the new creatures preaching the Gospel] and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite [sinners, aka the tares] in the house of the LORD of hosts [Heavenly Jerusalem].
> It is now, ever since Pentecost, that "Jerusalem above" is being "safely inhabited".

 

[Keraz]

Of course, I don't interpret Zechariah the same as you.

Try turning your Bible the right way up. :)

As the prophets tell us; it will only be after the Lord's Day of vengeance and fiery wrath, that most people will understand His plans for our future. Isaiah 29:9-12, Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4, Matthew 11:25

 

[Earburner]

Try turning your Bible the right way up. :)

As the prophets tell us; it will only be after the Lord's Day of vengeance and fiery wrath, that most people will understand His plans for our future. Isaiah 29:9-12, Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4, Matthew 11:25

The coming of the Lord's day of vengeance is seen in the two times the word "when" is mentioned in
KJV- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
For further clarification in understanding,
see Luke 17:29.
My KJV Bible is the right way up, and therefore so am I.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Much discussion centers around the time period that King Antiochus 4th Epiphanes, [A4E] caused an abomination to be set up on the Temple Altar.

This happened soon after A4E conquered Judah and stripped anything valuable out of the Temple and forced the population to renounce Judaism and circumcision and to accept a Greek style of civilization.

Later; Judas Maccabee defeated A4E, cleansed and rededicated the Temple.
Antiochus died a horrible death. 2 Maccabees 9:5-10

Here is the dates that these things happened:

1 Maccabees 1:20-28 A4E conquers Judah and takes loot and slaves. 169 BC

2 Maccabees 5:1-26 graphically describes this conquest.


1 Maccabees 1:29-31 Two years later, 167 BC; A4E sent a Governor to enforce his edicts. He sacked and burned the city.

1 Maccabees 1:47-50 Sacrifices and offerings were forbidden.


1 Maccabees 1:54 The abomination set up in the Temple; 15th of Kislev 167 BC


1 Maccabees 4:52 The Temple rededicated and consecrated; 25th Kislev 164 BC


There is 3 years and 10 days, that the Temple was in a state of desecration.

365.24 X 3 = 1096 + 10 = a total period of 1106 days.

This time period doesn’t match with the 1150 days of Daniel 8:14.....2300 evening and morning sacrifices. Or with the 1260 days of Revelation.

But we see that it must have been just a short time between when the Governor came and destroyed Jerusalem, stopping the sacrifices and offering, to when he made the abomination on the Altar. 44 days would be about right.

So the total time the Temple was out of use was 1150 days.
The fulfilment of Daniel 8:14


The future Temple desecration will be 1260 days; 42 months as; Revelation 13:5-8
There WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem, many Prophesies prove this.

Which temple did Herod the great build because it obviously wasn't the first or the second?

24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. Acts 17:24-25
This is part of the reason that the reformers concluded that the Pope is Antichrist. In my mind, the jury is still out.