What is wrong with all these Christian anti-vaxxers?

[amadeus]

Whether the evidence is in favor of the vaccine or not, I support people having a choice to get vaccinated or not. It should not be mandated.

Do you at least agree that people should have a choice in the matter?

Amen, sister! This how it should be... without condemnation because someone disagrees with their choice!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Whether the evidence is in favor of the vaccine or not, I support people having a choice to get vaccinated or not. It should not be mandated.

Do you at least agree that people should have a choice in the matter?

I have said that in multiple posts! I am not a pro or anti vaxxer. I am an anti hysteria person.

 

[Ziggy]

Whether the evidence is in favor of the vaccine or not, I support people having a choice to get vaccinated or not. It should not be mandated.

Do you at least agree that people should have a choice in the matter?

I absolutely agree...
with informed consent.

Going through the Bible, The Lord has always given man choice with informed consent.
If you do this, then this is what will be. If you choose not to do this, then this is what will be.
Thinking of when The Lord gave Moses the law and the people had to choose if they would follow.
Joshua chose. Pharaoh had a choice.
The problem with the mandated vaccines is, there is no informed consent.
They do not tell you the adverse effects, or dangers that can occur.
We were told they were safe and effective. No one could catch covid, or spread covid.
Now the truth comes out after millions have taken the jab..
oh by the way, you can still get it and spread it, and even die from either covid or the jab.
THEY LIED.
They are making BILLIONS of dollars and young people are dying.

If you receive a vaccination, and within 14 days of having it, you have an adverse reaction, they consider you unvaxxed.
So to say that more unvaxxed people are being hospitalized than vaxxed people is false and misleading.

Informed consent should be MANDATORY.
HUGS

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What's wrong with all these Anti-Vaxxers !
Maybe Hitler had the same problem concept with all the Anti-Nazis.

Someone try's to play the cards their way, but comes up against opposition. then idiots claim oh no !

 

[Ziggy]

1. Fauci
China: The Enemy Within•Feb 18, 2022
Lee explores the history of the politics surrounding Covid-19, and reveals shocking details about both Anthony Fauci's role in hiding critical information from the American people as well as worrisome unanswered questions surrounding the origins of the virus.

1. Fauci

 

[Ziggy]

1 shot, 2 shots, 3 shots, 4.....

 

[JohnPaul]

after several threads and legions of posts and back and forth, I am truly baffled by the response of so many of my brothers and sisters on this forum who are against the shot. I will not list all the accusations hurled at me, the medical industry (hospitals, doctors and nurses) and pharmaceutical companies, it would take up lots of space.

Have we forgotten we are christians? Have you forgotten you serve a different kingdom? Let us assume that all of your accusations are true. And so? Should we list all the things okayed by governments and medical science at one time that have killed far more people than even the worst numbers produced on this thread say are killed by the jab? Once again and so?

We are called to a higher kingdom and far greater standard than just spewing bitterness and vileness and vague evidence of intentional evil in teh world. If it is all true- it is the world! should we be so surprised as to be just like the world in you attacks against them?

We are not called to nit pick every thing the world does- but to lift high the name of Jesus. The conspiracy theories and half truths of the void shot are most carried by believers! We should be the last group carrying this stuff. I have just a little concern if covid was accidental or intentionally released. I want to see those who can do something about it to do the best. Yes, we are in Satan's world, but we serve a God who has better for us than the accusations and evil many here have said about me and other believers because we won't condemn the world for pushing a "vaccine" out 8 times faster than normal. whether this "vaccine" is designed for murder- not one of us can know with certainty unless we uncover teh paper trail that shows so. I still believe God works through medicine and drug companies to impriove and saves lives. They make mistakes and the billions they pay in law suits show they are held accountable often.

Even if this is part of the great reset, and while I do not know if covid 19 itself is part of the reset, I know the manipulations surrounding it are, so what? It is going to happen, we can patiently and with knowledge inform people, but running around condemning anyone who dares disagree with conspiracy crowd is definitely unChristian.

Many here ( and they know who they are if they read this from me) are running around like that tribulation force in that series of books by Jenkins and LeHaye trying to kill the antichrist, thinking they can change the Word of God from happening.

Thanks for letting me unload. As much as I loathe it, I will fight half truths, anecdotal evidence as the absolute truth and unverified "facts" being what Christians proclaim! We have a truth and His name is Jesus, not some people who have been fact checked and found dubious.

but for some of you- do you really really believe that one or two nobel virologists count more than 100 nobel vorilogists? When you say they are all conspiring- what is your evidence?" Remember evidence is either circumstantial or actual. In any thing we all can come up with loads of circumstantial evidence. It is the empirical stuff that proves or disproves a case.

thank you all for letting me rant!

What's wrong with you Ronald?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What's wrong with you Ronald?

Concerning what?

 

[Enoch111]

I absolutely agree...
with informed consent.

And "informed consent" would means strict application of the Nuremberg Code for medical experimentation and FULL DISCLOSURE of all the harmful, toxic, and lethal components of the bogus COVID vaccines (even use of the term "vaccine" would need to be disclosed as illegal and illegitimate).

So after all the ingredients and their dangers have been presented to the potential "victim", the vaccinator would need to say this "You are hereby informed that taking this injection could possibly kill you immediately or in the near future, and it could also possibly cause some very serious adverse effects inside your body. In view of this do you or do you not consent to take this injection?"

How many people do you think would have agreed to be vaccinated given this kind of full disclosure?????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And "informed consent" would means strict application of the Nuremberg Code for medical experimentation and FULL DISCLOSURE of all the harmful, toxic, and lethal components of the bogus COVID vaccines (even use of the term "vaccine" would need to be disclosed as illegal and illegitimate).

So after all the ingredients and their dangers have been presented to the potential "victim", the vaccinator would need to say this "You are hereby informed that taking this injection could possibly kill you immediately or in the near future, and it could also possibly cause some very serious adverse effects inside your body. In view of this do you or do you not consent to take this injection?"

How many people do you think would have agreed to be vaccinated given this kind of full disclosure?????

Well Enoch, I have been patiently waiting for either you , or Curtis or teh other fringe extremists here to list these supposed "harmful, toxic and lethal components", but you all stubbornly refuse to do so? Why??

 

[Enoch111]

Well Enoch, I have been patiently waiting for either you , or Curtis or teh other fringe extremists here to list these supposed "harmful, toxic and lethal components", but you all stubbornly refuse to do so? Why??

You could start with this research paper and go from there:
Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You could start with this research paper and go from there:
Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF

Well thank you for citing this excellent research study! I strongly advise against having Curtis read it for it shatters most of the myths he has been using as a tool against the vaccine.

Most of this paper said what I have been saying all along in less technical terms!

anaphylaxis is 6X more likely with the mRNA shot than normal vaccines. Teh cases go from 2 in a million patients to 12 in a million patients. While ideally one is too many cases, it is still a very small percent. Meaning if you take the shot you are 99.999988% likely to not develop anaphylaxsis.

As for spike protein damage- that is caused by the virus and not the shot according to this study! The synthesized spike does not even make it to the vasuclar system due to its low life span in the body!

It reported that there are lots of uncertainties because it did not go through the extensive trials all other shots and meds do, but I have already said this!

But as for long term effects from the shot? this article gives the standard CYA response in that they just don't know! They use all natural ingredients in the formulation because using standard things like aluminum had a very negative effect on the life of the synthesized spike protein. The only potential ingredient that may oir may not cause harm is PEG> but as there is massive clinical research on this and it has proven to be only a very very minor issue compared to aluminum, they are just playing it safe as they should.

Thank you fo9r this for it has proved the points I have been making all along.

Remdisivir and Ivermectin were shown to not be the wonder cures in already impacted patients. 25% of the patients given convalescent plasma treatments suffered severe negative consequences in a study done. they did not specify if there were other factors involved.

All this study did was reenforce what I have said all along. Before taking the shot, one should consult with the medical professional who best knows their medical history to see if the risk/benefit ratio is strong enough for them to get the shot or not.

 

[Ziggy]

Am I hearing this right?

"Sadly" ... ???????

 

[Ziggy]

So Omicron works like a vaccine...
Interesting

 

[JohnPaul]

Concerning what?

The anti-vaxxers.

 

[Ziggy]

Before taking the shot, one should consult with the medical professional who best knows their medical history to see if the risk/benefit ratio is strong enough for them to get the shot or not.

I tried that. I was told in the State of Maine where I reside, the only exemption I can get is if I am suceptible? to anaphalctic shock?
I told my doctor I wasn't willing to find out if I was.
I have blood circulation issues. I told her I was worried about possible blood clots as the news was just coming out about certain side effects people were experiencing. She said there was nothing she could do with getting an exemption.
That was back in September 2020.
It's a shame we sunk so low to judge people whether they have labeled vaxed and unvaxed.
This is by design, and I'm not going along with it.
If you are, fine. If your not, fine.
I'm not, and I will remain unvaxxed.
So far the Lord has kept my immune system strong. I haven't had any symptoms of anything, including the common cold, since this all began.
I eat a lot of frsh fruits and veggies. I take vitamin D3/K2 for my blood circulation.
If I can't eat in a restaurant, fine. Fly on a plane, fine. Go to a concert, fine.
I'll play by their rules, but they have to play by mine as well.
To use a mantra we have heard for many years now..
My Body, My Choice.

those my 2 cents.
Hugs

 

[JohnPaul]

I tried that. I was told in the State of Maine where I reside, the only exemption I can get is if I am suceptible? to anaphalctic shock?
I told my doctor I wasn't willing to find out if I was.
I have blood circulation issues. I told her I was worried about possible blood clots as the news was just coming out about certain side effects people were experiencing. She said there was nothing she could do with getting an exemption.
That was back in September 2020.
It's a shame we sunk so low to judge people whether they have labeled vaxed and unvaxed.
This is by design, and I'm not going along with it.
If you are, fine. If your not, fine.
I'm not, and I will remain unvaxxed.
So far the Lord has kept my immune system strong. I haven't had any symptoms of anything, including the common cold, since this all began.
I eat a lot of frsh fruits and veggies. I take vitamin D3/K2 for my blood circulation.
If I can't eat in a restaurant, fine. Fly on a plane, fine. Go to a concert, fine.
I'll play by their rules, but they have to play by mine as well.
To use a mantra we have heard for many years now..
My Body, My Choice.

those my 2 cents.
Hugs

Just like the Nazis did with the Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies and whoever else they were against.

 

[Ziggy]

Just like the Nazis did with the Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies and whoever else they were against.

It was going on long before the word "Nazi" was invented.
This division of my way or the highway has been going on since the beginning of time.
I think the devil picks certain people's throughout time to carry his torch of darkness, despotism, and destruction.
Nazi-ism is just a new name on an old behavior.
We had the Inquisition as well.
Race wars ....
I was just watching this video.
This is how it begins and is propagandized, nurtured, and becomes the norm.
We need to push back whenever we see this ugly head arise.
Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I tried that. I was told in the State of Maine where I reside, the only exemption I can get is if I am suceptible? to anaphalctic shock?
I told my doctor I wasn't willing to find out if I was.
I have blood circulation issues. I told her I was worried about possible blood clots as the news was just coming out about certain side effects people were experiencing. She said there was nothing she could do with getting an exemption.
That was back in September 2020.
It's a shame we sunk so low to judge people whether they have labeled vaxed and unvaxed.
This is by design, and I'm not going along with it.
If you are, fine. If your not, fine.
I'm not, and I will remain unvaxxed.
So far the Lord has kept my immune system strong. I haven't had any symptoms of anything, including the common cold, since this all began.
I eat a lot of frsh fruits and veggies. I take vitamin D3/K2 for my blood circulation.
If I can't eat in a restaurant, fine. Fly on a plane, fine. Go to a concert, fine.
I'll play by their rules, but they have to play by mine as well.
To use a mantra we have heard for many years now..
My Body, My Choice.

those my 2 cents.
Hugs

Well in 9/20 no shots were available so I wonder if the mechanisms were even in place to file for exemptions.

but I believe people should make the decision to get the shot or not.

Blood clots are rare. anaphylactic shock occurs in 12/1,000,000 so this is even rarer. but you sound like one who doesn't need to get the shot. If you have close contact with elderly and those susceptible, I would consider the shot for their sakes. You can carry the virus and transmit it even if you do not get it or are asymptomatic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The anti-vaxxers.

I have no problem with anti-vaxxers. If they do not want to get the shot, I defend their right to refuse! What I am against strongly is Christians lying, taking partial truths and blowing them up, taking numbers and manipulate them to make something appear larger than it is. Example: covid shots have shown people suffering anaphylaxis shock 6X more than those who get the flu shot! Written this way it sounds horrific and is desinged to frighten people! When the reality is that though yes it is 6X higher, the numbers are 2/1,000,000 for the flu versus 12/1,000,000 for the covid shot! IOW you are 99.9988% unlikely to suffer anaphylaxis from the covid shot!

Or falsifying data and results to make the shot look bad or promote meds that do not work once someone has been impacted internally from covid.

these are what I am against in Christian antivaxxers! when they use deceptive tactics they act like the world and shame the name of the Lord.