amigo de christo
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OH YES . WONDERFUL words my friend . The WORK for redemption . IS DONE . JESUS ACCOMPLISHED IT .
Now let all that draws breath praise the glorious LORD
Finished work of Christ?
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Ronald Nolette
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I could argue about that but as your point seems to be irrelevant to the topic it would be a waste of time.
And it has no relevance to your comment "Straining at gnats!"
What do you understand by "redeem"?
And what do you understand by the price paid at Calvary?
The one true church still teaches what Christ revealed
amigo de christo
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But what it dont do is add in mans traditions that are contrary and blasphemous unto GOD .
I have never met a catholic who prays not to mary , to saints , to angels , nor kneels before idols .
Have you . That has been my point all along .
IF i came telling you , MY CHURCH is the one true church
and yet you saw that church , for a long time had
its followers saying things and teaching things like YOu have no need to BELIEVE in and confess JESUS
in order to be saved , it dont matter what religoin you are in , whether muslim or buddist , atheist
You have no need to believe in Christ , just do good works . WOULD YOU STILL BELIEVE my church was the right church .
COURSE NOT .
THUS anyone can come hollering OUR CHURCH is the TRUE CHURCH .
BUT i look at the doctrines taught before i determine if it is a true church or not .
I dont just take their word . My advice is Get in that bible and stay plugged in it . Read only that bible
and be heavy in prayer , PRAY TO GOD in JESUS NAME and HE WILL clear things up real quick .
You will soon understand why many wont sit in certain places . Hurry , and never look back .
I will be praying for you my friend as i only desire good for your soul .
amigo de christo
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Think ye that i came to bring PEACE on earth , i tell you nay but rather division .
The gosple actually divides . Those who beleive it will be changed
and those who do not and refuse it , will hate those and mock those who truly do believe .
Fly to the vatican and bring the pope that message . cause HE is a unifyer and a deadly one .
Speaking death unto the world that man has been doing . preaching falsehoods
and giving false hope in order to gather the people as one .
HEY , i like unity with beleivers too , but if that unity denies having to believe in JESUS in order to be saved ,
IT AINT NO UNITY I WILL BE GOING WITH . ITS a death trap thee faith .
And to have unity with it is death .
amigo de christo
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BY FAITH IN JESUS is what saves . But if ones faith is as dead as mine once was , THEN IT AINT TRUE FAITH AT ALL .
AKA ye do know the tree by its fruits . IF faith is producing and embracing sin and evil works and doing evil
WELL THAT AINT THE FAITH that comes from GOD .
Faith without works is not faith at all . But works , even good works and prayers like cornelius had done
is not enough . HE TOO had to hear that gospel and believe . You all got you a dangerous pope up in the house
as do many protestant churches have many dangerous leaders in them as well .
ITS TIME FOR ALL WHO NAME the GLORIOUS NAME OF JESUS to come ye out
and start doing all to correct the falsehoods and i mean FAST . THE path this world is on is a deadly one
that ends in perdition for all who denied Christ and all who believed in or followed another jesus and another gospel .
SO many wont make it my friend . SO many are going under the end time delusion and are being
gathered under the shade of a harlot who has been and is teaching lies of darkness that are death and shall end
in the second death . WE dont have the time to not be serious. Correction and fast correction must be made
where does the Bible say the Bible alone?
on the contrary the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42
Scripture and tradition
Or the teaching of the apostles the teaching of the church
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
This extends to the truth and to the church founded by Christ to teach all
men!
Cos Jesus Christ is the truth and cos His church is of divine origin, commissioned to teach the truth!
Christians must be taught and that requires humility! Lk 1:4 matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 acts 2:42 acts 8:31
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
amigo de christo
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The apostels teaching is from Christ . The problem is yall are following a pattern contrary to their pattern and teachings .
It aint me teaching contrary to their pattern its the catholic church doing so .
That is what i been trying to tell ya the whole time .
I can claim , you can claim , anyone can claim we are keeping the original pattern both JESUS and those apostels taught ,
but are WE . Yall added a whole lot of stuff that should not have been added .
And while i know GOD can and does still speak through men , If what one claims is of the LORD contradicts
what JESUS or the apostels said , HELLO ITS FALSE . Yall pray to angels pardner , to mary , to the saints .
You are praying to the created , NOT THE CREATOR .
FIRST cease from that error . Yall make any and every excuse for it too .
That is far from the only dangerous doctrine that church has long taught , yet it claims we are the church
and we are free to do these things . Wrong . TIME to learn that bible .
YOu need to learn what is pleasing to GOD .
Not what men teach .
amigo de christo
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Those of the one true church still do teach what Christ taught and later the apostels taught .
The problem is the CC dont . That should seriously tell YOU something .
WHY dont we just go into our bibles and see WHO is doing and following CHRIST and the apostels .
ANd let us see who is not .
Take the bible challenge . Put down those other books your church invented
and just read the bible for yourself .
I say that in large to all protestants as well . HEY EVERYONE
take and put down all other books . Just learn and learn well the bible for yourselves .
I mean just about all denominations claim the BIBLE as HOLY and INPSIRED BY GOD .
SO WHY DONT WE READ IT FOR OURSELVES and then SEE who is really and truly KEEPING the PATTERN
that JESUS and later the apostels would . Most wont , they will just keep to their traditions .
but then this is why most aint gonna make it .
Catholics seem to hold to the cathchesim more so than the bible . But mormons do the same
so do jehovas , so do others . I SAY let us learn what we all seem to claim as THE HOLY INSPIRED words of GOD .
AKA , OPEN the very book we claim as INSPIRED by GOD and learn it . THE BIBLE . HURRY and let none look back .
ScottA
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ScottA
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If you mean "It is finished."
All matters of God are not on a timeline. The confusion of such passages (and those to follow), is that in this world things do unfold on a timeline--which does not really exist. That is just the incremental marks of revelations from God. In other words, as even Einstein told us, time is an illusion. Thus, the things of God are..."the same yesterday, today, and forever"...or better stated, "I am." Which then, when we are through receiving revelations from Him, we are then in step with Him. Until then, we exist in this world as on a treadmill waiting for each revelation until the end.
This is what Paul referred to with the need to "rightly divide the word of truth." Meaning, if we mix up those timeless things of God with the timing of events in this world...we will not come to know "all truth" according to the Spirit, until the end.
So then, to answer your question: Those things which appear as not yet finished, are indeed finished with God...but are not finished with all those who are His.
Ronald Nolette
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Jesus redeemed us three ways.
agorazo- He bought us (with His blood
ex-agorazo- He pulled us out of the market place of sin
lutroo- He set us free!
redeem means He bought us back from teh bondage to sin and death and gave us eternal life-Now!
Teh price that was paid at Calvary was thet jesus was punished for us. He took upon HImself all the sins of the Word and as it is written He became sin and God punished jesus instead of us. That is the price paid!
Ronald Nolette
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And we can add nothing to or take away anything from His work! all we can do is accept it and have His payment applied to our account or reject it!
Ronald Nolette
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Well that is a theory, but Scripture is the facxt and Scripture says this persons theory is lacking!
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