Does God want us to use His name?

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it is a good question. The debate is over a name spoken for example how we assign names to children or friends. What if “are you making God’s name known to others” has nothing to do with a technical name others judge you as not correctly knowing, but actively living…alive unto God? 1 Peter 4:14-15 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. [15] But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

Same with making His name manifest or known in places? What does that even mean to manifest Christ in every place? Malachi 1:11-12 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts. [12] But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the Lord is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.

Jesus no doubt is the greatest man who ever lived Vicky, the only one who never sinned, and the most famous individual who ever lived as well. Likely there are a few on earth who have never heard of him, but there is no doubt in my mind that more people have heard of him than any other individual who ever lived. So my point is that Jesus' name has been made manifest to a greater degree than even God's name. Of course, like Jesus who is the example we are to follow, and he has assigned his disciples to teach everything he did, we disciples are under the commandment to make God's name manifest to others as well, to the greatest extent possible. In fact, along with the other teachings, we have to reach the ends of the earth with that good news, or perhaps the end will not come, which we all pray for maam. Mat 24:14 clearly states when we fulfill our assignment, then the end will come.
 
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I'm not sure which translation you're using. My preferred translation, the NET v2.1, has Matthew 4:10 as " Then Jesus said to him, “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘You are to worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”

The NIV has "Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’" Virtually identical to the NET.

The KJV -- not my favorite -- says "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

None of these have "Jehovah your God..." or "sacred service".

As your quoted versions show Jim, it was written, so where was it written sir?
 
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Scholars have said Jesus is on every page. He is the Word, Logos, the exact expression of God, the fullness of glory and grace, the source of Life, the Creator, an eternal Being, in Whom we have salvation, forgiveness, our being. In Him all things consist (are held together *Col. 16, 17). That means every atom in the universe. He and rhe Father are ONE. He could not make that statement unless He is equal to the Father in every way. One could not have all authority over heaven and earth unless you were all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent. Angels are not like God, they are not that knowledgable, not that powerful and can only be in one place at a time.

Some some think this because Jesus shows up on a white horse with many crowns in Rev. 19.
The four horses of the apolcalypse
deliver pestilence, war, famine and death. The first horse is the Antichrist, who is given a crown (what I believe is coronavirus) and goes out to conquer the world. That is the power over the entire world that is manipulating mankind into submission to the One World Government, through lies, fear and vaccines.

No, what has been known since Christ is know now and some are deliberately distorting the truth and it is a dishonor and degrading. Dishonor the Son and you dishonor the Father. You don't worship Jesus because you think He is an angel and we are not supposed worship angels. Michael or Grabriel would prohibit anyone from bowing to them and worshipping them. But every knee will bow to Jesus. We do now.
Well, I can go on but we've reached it again, the impenetrable wall.

Woe buddy! We are way off in agreement, cant get no farther. I almost cannot believe you believe the rider of the white horse is "the antichrist". I would think that most faiths would know that is Jesus receiving the Kingship. I gave enough information to reason on Jesus being Michael, so we have to conclude that one of us is in error. Which is not too serious as it is an inconsequential subject for salvation.

I am not sure of your understanding of what antichrist means, as we talked about it in another post today in fact, in where we seemed to be in agreement. Have you not put together that antichrists broke away from the faith and took other disciples with them?
 

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Thank you Ron for your kind comment sir, I try, but must admit it is a struggle. Although I am unsure at this time, it is quite possible John is of my faith as well, so far we have agreed on all things discussed. Like you say, most every faith will have some agreements, and disagreements with other faiths, that is how they were formed to begin with Acts 20:29,30
You are unsure at this time? :D
Brother, I hope you really win your struggle, since it is indeed not easy to control, or tame the tongue (James 3:5-12), but that's why I like the rules on these forums. They give us nudges in the right direction. They remind us to remember our reminders. ;)

There is only one people on earth who all speak in agreement. So it's not that hard for us to know who is of that faith.
I was about to respond to your post, in the thread "What is Holy Spirit?".
I think, then, all your doubts would have vanished away. :D Nice to meet you fellow family member. :)

I too have doubts. I'm not sure, but @Ronald David Bruno did you see the post where I invited your responce? I mentioned you as promised, but so far you haven't responded.
I hope you will. It's quite important on the subject of "the nature of God".
 

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Hey, if YHWH is Hebrew, and Jehovah is the English version of it, the what are Hebrew Jehovah Witnesses supposed to call God?

Here is a video titled Does God Have a Name? The first link is in English. The second link is in Hebrew. You can compare them. At the 2:00 mark you can clearly hear the Hebrew pronunciation being used today.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/docid-502014331_1_VIDEO

https://www.jw.org/he/ספרייה/סרטים/#he/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/docid-502014331_1_VIDEO
 
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Woe buddy! We are way off in agreement, cant get no farther. I almost cannot believe you believe the rider of the white horse is "the antichrist". I would think that most faiths would know that is Jesus receiving the Kingship. I gave enough information to reason on Jesus being Michael, so we have to conclude that one of us is in error. Which is not too serious as it is an inconsequential subject for salvation.

I am not sure of your understanding of what antichrist means, as we talked about it in another post today in fact, in where we seemed to be in agreement. Have you not put together that antichrists broke away from the faith and took other disciples with them?
I think the Protestant Church may be split on the who Rev. 6:2 is. He goes out to conquer. He rides with the other horses who go out to destroy, bring war, famine and death leading 2 billion deaths. Jesus comes later on a White Horse with many diadems - then He conquers His foes. He doesn't show up till the last trumpet (#7 - Rev. 11:15 IMHO). Why would He show up with only one crown in the beginning? He already earned His authority with His death and resurrection long ago. But it will all pan out. There are many views and no one is certain - except a few dudes in Brooklyn N.Y! :confused:
 

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Here is a video titled Does God Have a Name? The first link is in English. The second link is in Hebrew. You can compare them. At the 2:00 mark you can clearly hear the Hebrew pronunciation being used today.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/docid-502014331_1_VIDEO

https://www.jw.org/he/ספרייה/סרטים/#he/mediaitems/VODBibleTeachings/docid-502014331_1_VIDEO
Yod hay va hay :D
I was expecting something quite different, like Ye-O-Vah. What a surprise.
Thanks for this David.
 

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Hi Berean, I hope you are like the Beroeans, who examine the Scriptures to see if what others says is true.

I try to be.

Think on this. God either exists or He don't. God either provided the Bible or He didn't. God either gave His name or He didn't. Simply some truths. Many people have said the very same thing you did likely because that is the common explanation of one of the reasons that people use to justify not saying God's name, the other is that it is too Sacred to be pronounced. The truth is that God's name is found in the Hebrew language part of the Bible nearly 7000 times. Yes sir, more than any other name.

Well, I believe as Paul stated to Timothy "All scripture is inspired of God" (2 Tim. 3:16). The question is NOT whether God has a name, I believe He does, the question is ... do we know the correct pronunciation of that name, which know of us can say for certainty what it is. As a Christian, and a child of God, having been consecrated to Him for some 40 years. I use the formula that Jesus used in the model prayer, "Our Father ..." Matthew 6:9, Luke 11:2).

The Tetragrammaton occurs 6828 times in the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament). There are over 5,000 Greek New Testament manuscripts that have been discovered, and yet “Jehovah” does not appear in any of them. In fact even the Jehovah's Witnesses admit this:

The Divine Name that will Endure Forever p.23 said:
“The position of God’s name is unshakeable in the Hebrew Scriptures… With the Christian Greek Scriptures, the “New Testament”, the situation is different… no ancient Greek manuscript that we possess today of the books of Matthew to Revelation contains God’s name in full.”

So consider this, the official language of the Nation of Israel today is Hebrew. Is it the same language as it was 3500 yrs ago when the Bible began to be penned? Heck, I do not know. But I can say this, if you cannot make heads or tails of YHWH because it has no vowels, then obviously no one can make heads or tails out of any other word penned in the Hebrew passages, correct? Or is that the only word that cannot be known for sure how to pronounce? If so, why? Logic tells me that those who speak Hebrew today, should be able to pronounce His name correctly.

So tell me, how do you get Jehovah from YHWH? I believe that the consensus is that YAHWEH is the correct pronunciation, as it appears to be the oldest rendition of the name. In fact it was the Catholic church that first started using the name Jehovah in the 13th century, while Yahweh was used as early as the 6th century.

The Bible is an amazing book, throughout history many powerful forces has tried to eliminate it, but have been unsuccessful, why? In fact it is the most publicized and most widely distributed book available in the most languages, why? One very logical reason is that God actually does exist, and He wants people throughout the entire earth to come to know Him. Keep in mind as well, that words are different in different languages, you used the term Jehovah, as did I. What is Jehovah? All translators who did not alter YHWH and translated it into English rendered it Jehovah, why? I speak English, and I know how to pronounce it, but I will say that many of my faith mispronounce it, heck one of the governing body on several occasions pronounces it Jehover, not always, but once in a while he does. We have one in my congregation that pronounces it the same way.

I have over a dozen translations that have Yahweh throughout. There is a movement called The Sacred Name Movement, that was started in the 1920s. They all use Yahweh as God's name. There's even a group called Witnesses of Yahweh and another Yahweh's Witnesses. None of these groups have anything to do with your brethren. We're not talking about a mere mispronunciation here. There's a big difference between Yahweh and Jehovah.

Another line of evidence is to look at the King James Version. That was to become the chief Bible of the English world for hundreds of years, many still use it. The translators did their utmost to remove God's name from that version replacing YHWH with Adonai rendering it LORD. However they were unsuccessful in that Jehovah's name appears in 4 verses in full, others as Jah. So why were they unsuccessful? I submit that Jehovah protected His name, in fact when other versions came out with His name restored throughout the Bible, the translators of derivatives of the KJV were successful in removing it, although I know of no English translation that has been able to eliminate it completely.
Again, you seem to be beating a dead horse. No one is arguing whether God has a name, but the correct pronunciation of that name.

Adding to this in line with the topic, is it proper to speak God's name? Many examples of God's people doing so throughout the Bible sir, Jesus even making it manifest to his followers Jn 17:6. Since we as his followers are obligated to teach all the things he commanded Mat 28:20 then we too make that name known to all we teach. Hope that helps sir, nice speaking to you.

“I have revealed Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.​

So you gather from this verse that Jesus sat down with his disciples and stated "you know what? My Fathers name is Jehovah!" No, what he revealed was the person behind the name. Throughout His ministry he used "Father" when speaking to God, he used "Heavenly Father" when speaking to the Jews about God.
 

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Jesus no doubt is the greatest man who ever lived Vicky, the only one who never sinned, and the most famous individual who ever lived as well. Likely there are a few on earth who have never heard of him, but there is no doubt in my mind that more people have heard of him than any other individual who ever lived. So my point is that Jesus' name has been made manifest to a greater degree than even God's name. Of course, like Jesus who is the example we are to follow, and he has assigned his disciples to teach everything he did, we disciples are under the commandment to make God's name manifest to others as well, to the greatest extent possible. In fact, along with the other teachings, we have to reach the ends of the earth with that good news, or perhaps the end will not come, which we all pray for maam. Mat 24:14 clearly states when we fulfill our assignment, then the end will come.

I do get what you are saying because Jesus always pointed to the Father above, and not to himself (or that is in my opinion). One of my favorites Is Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

I’m not big on getting into debates on whether or not Jesus Christ is God because my mind really can’t handle it. but I will say for me I’ve always consider it is God who gave Himself for me and I hope God is the One I always pray to and thank and praise for His mercy and goodness. I don’t think Jesus Christ would have a problem with that or be jealous over God being the focus. Hope that makes sense. But as far as God’s name…I might get that wrong too.
 

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Well, I believe as Paul stated to Timothy "All scripture is inspired of God" (2 Tim. 3:16). The question is NOT whether God has a name, I believe He does, the question is ... do we know the correct pronunciation of that name, which know of us can say for certainty what it is. As a Christian, and a child of God, having been consecrated to Him for some 40 years. I use the formula that Jesus used in the model prayer, "Our Father ..." Matthew 6:9, Luke 11:2).

The Tetragrammaton occurs 6828 times in the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament). There are over 5,000 Greek New Testament manuscripts that have been discovered, and yet “Jehovah” does not appear in any of them. In fact even the Jehovah's Witnesses admit this:





So tell me, how do you get Jehovah from YHWH? I believe that the consensus is that YAHWEH is the correct pronunciation, as it appears to be the oldest rendition of the name. In fact it was the Catholic church that first started using the name Jehovah in the 13th century, while Yahweh was used as early as the 6th century.



I have over a dozen translations that have Yahweh throughout. There is a movement called The Sacred Name Movement, that was started in the 1920s. They all use Yahweh as God's name. There's even a group called Witnesses of Yahweh and another Yahweh's Witnesses. None of these groups have anything to do with your brethren. We're not talking about a mere mispronunciation here. There's a big difference between Yahweh and Jehovah.


Again, you seem to be beating a dead horse. No one is arguing whether God has a name, but the correct pronunciation of that name.



“I have revealed Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.​

So you gather from this verse that Jesus sat down with his disciples and stated "you know what? My Fathers name is Jehovah!" No, what he revealed was the person behind the name. Throughout His ministry he used "Father" when speaking to God, he used "Heavenly Father" when speaking to the Jews about God.
Hi again.
I just want to comment on one point you made.
You quoted correctly...
The Divine Name that will Endure Forever p.23 said:
“The position of God’s name is unshakeable in the Hebrew Scriptures… With the Christian Greek Scriptures, the “New Testament”, the situation is different… no ancient Greek manuscript that we possess today of the books of Matthew to Revelation contains God’s name in full.”

However, the part I highlighted is important, because reading on, the point is made - going by my bad memory :) - that the reason, is that later scribes removed the name from earlier Greek text.
How we know this is so? The Greek texts contain quotations from the Hebrew texts, where God's name is found.
So there is no reason to believe that the writers did not use the name.

Actually I found it. Not in the brochure which seems to be no longer available. I don't have to rely on a bad memory.
Today, however, no manuscripts of the “New Testament” from the first century C.E. are available for us to examine. So no one can check the original Greek manuscripts of the “New Testament” to see whether the Bible writers used the Tetragrammaton. The Greek manuscripts of the “New Testament” that would have a bearing on this issue are copies that were made from about 200 C.E. onward. The more complete manuscripts are from the fourth century C.E., long after the originals were composed. However, sometime during the second or early third century C.E., a practice had developed where those copying the manuscripts either replaced the Tetragrammaton with a title such as Lord or God or copied from manuscripts where this had already been done.*
 

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I do get what you are saying because Jesus always pointed to the Father above, and not to himself (or that is in my opinion). One of my favorites Is Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

I’m not big on getting into debates on whether or not Jesus Christ is God because my mind really can’t handle it. but I will say for me I’ve always consider it is God who gave Himself for me and I hope God is the One I always pray to and thank and praise for His mercy and goodness. I don’t think Jesus Christ would have a problem with that or be jealous over God being the focus. Hope that makes sense. But as far as God’s name…I might get that wrong too.
You sound like some old people I know... "My brain can't take it." :D
I hope you are well otherwise. :)
 
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I agree, it was a deliberate alteration. No matter, those who refuse to use God's name will never have a close relationship with Him, therefore they according to the verse will not be saved. Your choice.

The Scripture says the day you become saved I will have gained a brother.
 

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Hey, if YHWH is Hebrew, and Jehovah is the English version of it, the what are Hebrew Jehovah Witnesses supposed to call God?

You just said it Maam, YHWH. I do not know any Hebrew speaking witnesses personally, but I would assume they would pronounce it Yahweh. Thanks for asking me Cassy. Some more examples of Jehovah's name in various languages:
CHIHOWA: Choctaw
IÁHVE: Portuguese
IEHOUA: Mer
IEHOVA: Gilbertese; Hawaiian; Hiri Motu; Kerewo; Kiwai; Marquesas; Motu; Panaieti (Misima); Rarotongan; Tahitian; Toaripi
IEHOVAN: Saibai
IEOVA: Kuanua; Wedau
IHOVA: Aneityum
IHVH: French
IOVA: Malekula (Kuliviu); Malekula (Pangkumu); Malekula (Uripiv)
JAHOWA: Batak-Toba
JAHUÈ: Chacobo
JAKWE: (Ki)Sukuma
JAHVE: Hungarian
JEHOBA: Kipsigis; Mentawai
JEHOFA: Tswana
JEHOVA: Croatian; German; Kélé (Gabon); Lele (Manus Island); Nandi; Nauruan; Nukuoro
JEHOVÁ: Spanish
JEHÔVA: Fang; Tsimihety
JEHOVAH: Dutch; Efik; English; Kalenjin; Malagasy; Narrinyeri; Ojibwa
JEOVA: Kusaie (Kosraean)
JIHOVA: Naga (Angami); Naga (Konyak); Naga (Lotha); Naga (Mao); Naga (Ntenyi); Naga (Sangtam); Rotuman
JIOUA: Mortlock
JIOVA: Fijian
JIWHEYẸWHE: Gu (Alada)
SIHOVA: Tongan
UYEHOVA: Zulu
YAHOWA: Thai
YAHVE: Ila
YAVE: Kongo
YAWE: Bobangi; Bolia; Dholuo; Lingala; Mongo (Lolo); (Lo)Ngandu; (Lo)Ntumba; (Ke)Sengele
YEHÓA: Awabakal
YEHOFA: Southern Sotho
YEHOVA: Chokwe; Chuana (Tlapi); (Ki)Kalanga; Logo; Luba; Lugbara; (Chi)Luimbi; (Chi)Lunda (Ndembu); (Chi)Luvale; Santo (Hog Harbor); Tiv; Umbundu; (Isi)Xhosa
YEHOVAH: Bube; Mohawk; Nguna (Efate); Nguna (Tongoa)
YEHOWA: Ga; Laotian; (Ki)Songe; Tshiluba
YEKOVA: Zande
YEOBA: Kuba (Inkongo)
YEOHOWA: Korean
YHWH: Hebrew
YOWO: Lomwe
ZAHOVA: Chin (Haka-Lai)
 

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You are unsure at this time? :D
Brother, I hope you really win your struggle, since it is indeed not easy to control, or tame the tongue (James 3:5-12), but that's why I like the rules on these forums. They give us nudges in the right direction. They remind us to remember our reminders. ;)

There is only one people on earth who all speak in agreement. So it's not that hard for us to know who is of that faith.
I was about to respond to your post, in the thread "What is Holy Spirit?".
I think, then, all your doubts would have vanished away. :D Nice to meet you fellow family member. :)

I too have doubts. I'm not sure, but @Ronald David Bruno did you see the post where I invited your responce? I mentioned you as promised, but so far you haven't responded.
I hope you will. It's quite important on the subject of "the nature of God".

Hi John, I guess I haven't spoken enough to you at present to know for sure sir. I am fairly well open in saying I am one of Jehovah's witnesses, although I don't mention it that often here, unless asked of course. As I told Ron, you and I have agreed on everything I had seen you post. I respond to all my alerts, but I have noticed that in some of my threads I do not receive alerts for all who post on them, so I obviously overlook some of them. I will try to find the one you were speaking about and comment on it right now. Agape Bob
 

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I think the Protestant Church may be split on the who Rev. 6:2 is. He goes out to conquer. He rides with the other horses who go out to destroy, bring war, famine and death leading 2 billion deaths. Jesus comes later on a White Horse with many diadems - then He conquers His foes. He doesn't show up till the last trumpet (#7 - Rev. 11:15 IMHO). Why would He show up with only one crown in the beginning? He already earned His authority with His death and resurrection long ago. But it will all pan out. There are many views and no one is certain - except a few dudes in Brooklyn N.Y! :confused:

Do you recognize the horses paralleling the signs Jesus gave for his presence in Mat 24 Ron?
 

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Well, I believe as Paul stated to Timothy "All scripture is inspired of God" (2 Tim. 3:16). The question is NOT whether God has a name, I believe He does, the question is ... do we know the correct pronunciation of that name, which know of us can say for certainty what it is. As a Christian, and a child of God, having been consecrated to Him for some 40 years. I use the formula that Jesus used in the model prayer, "Our Father ..." Matthew 6:9, Luke 11:2).

The Tetragrammaton occurs 6828 times in the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament). There are over 5,000 Greek New Testament manuscripts that have been discovered, and yet “Jehovah” does not appear in any of them. In fact even the Jehovah's Witnesses admit this:





So tell me, how do you get Jehovah from YHWH? I believe that the consensus is that YAHWEH is the correct pronunciation, as it appears to be the oldest rendition of the name. In fact it was the Catholic church that first started using the name Jehovah in the 13th century, while Yahweh was used as early as the 6th century.



I have over a dozen translations that have Yahweh throughout. There is a movement called The Sacred Name Movement, that was started in the 1920s. They all use Yahweh as God's name. There's even a group called Witnesses of Yahweh and another Yahweh's Witnesses. None of these groups have anything to do with your brethren. We're not talking about a mere mispronunciation here. There's a big difference between Yahweh and Jehovah.


Again, you seem to be beating a dead horse. No one is arguing whether God has a name, but the correct pronunciation of that name.



“I have revealed Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.​

So you gather from this verse that Jesus sat down with his disciples and stated "you know what? My Fathers name is Jehovah!" No, what he revealed was the person behind the name. Throughout His ministry he used "Father" when speaking to God, he used "Heavenly Father" when speaking to the Jews about God.

So tell me, how do you get Jehovah from YHWH? I believe that the consensus is that YAHWEH is the correct pronunciation, as it appears to be the oldest rendition of the name. In fact it was the Catholic church that first started using the name Jehovah in the 13th century, while Yahweh was used as early as the 6th century

Yahweh is Hebrew sir, I speak in English. I did not translate YHWH to Jehovah in English, but I accept that every single English Bible that translated the tetragramaton into English unaltered, translated it Jehovah. I see that Jehovah prevented His name from being removed from the most popular English version ever the KJV even though the translators tried hard to remove it. No other explanation to me why they were unable to remove it, in fact after we released the NWT with the name restored, derivatives of the KJV was able to remove Jehovah from their versions. God's name is widely known now, so He is allowing it, although I know of no English version that was able to remove Jah.

Since Jehovah's name is pronounced differently in different languages and even with accents pronounced somewhat differently even inside the same language, it matters not to Him how it is pronounced. One thing is certain however, if you never use the name of an acquaintance, you will never ever have a close relationship with them. Also something to consider, if you never call on Jehovah's name, you will not have salvation either Rom 10:13.

People have been calling upon God using His name way before He had a covenanted people sir, it first occurs in Genesis 2:4 in the Bible. With the inception of the new covenant, Jehovah selected from among the nations a people for His name: (Acts 15:14) . . .Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.

Is there a people for Jehovah's name today Berean?
 
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I do get what you are saying because Jesus always pointed to the Father above, and not to himself (or that is in my opinion). One of my favorites Is Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

I’m not big on getting into debates on whether or not Jesus Christ is God because my mind really can’t handle it. but I will say for me I’ve always consider it is God who gave Himself for me and I hope God is the One I always pray to and thank and praise for His mercy and goodness. I don’t think Jesus Christ would have a problem with that or be jealous over God being the focus. Hope that makes sense. But as far as God’s name…I might get that wrong too.

You appear to be humble and sincere Vicky, great qualities maam. God did give Himself for you and others as well, how? He gave His only begotten son who also willing gave himself to bear the sins of others, thereby opening up the prospect to be back in harmony with God. Jn 3:16

I think it can be easier to understand, and it is fairly easy to see that some things foreshadow future events. Do you recognize that when Jehovah asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, that it was bringing home the point of the sacrifice of Jesus? Abraham was not Isaac, nor is Jehovah, Jesus. Jehovah was represented by Abraham, and Jesus was represented by Isaac, even referring to him as Abraham's only begotten son.
(Hebrews 11:17) . . .By faith Abraham, when he was tested, as good as offered up Isaac—the man who had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up his only-begotten son. . .

I appreciate your humility and honesty maam, and hope to be able to display some of it myself.
 
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You just said it Maam, YHWH. I do not know any Hebrew speaking witnesses personally, but I would assume they would pronounce it Yahweh. Thanks for asking me Cassy. Some more examples of Jehovah's name in various languages:
CHIHOWA: Choctaw
IÁHVE: Portuguese
IEHOUA: Mer
IEHOVA: Gilbertese; Hawaiian; Hiri Motu; Kerewo; Kiwai; Marquesas; Motu; Panaieti (Misima); Rarotongan; Tahitian; Toaripi
IEHOVAN: Saibai
IEOVA: Kuanua; Wedau
IHOVA: Aneityum
IHVH: French
IOVA: Malekula (Kuliviu); Malekula (Pangkumu); Malekula (Uripiv)
JAHOWA: Batak-Toba
JAHUÈ: Chacobo
JAKWE: (Ki)Sukuma
JAHVE: Hungarian
JEHOBA: Kipsigis; Mentawai
JEHOFA: Tswana
JEHOVA: Croatian; German; Kélé (Gabon); Lele (Manus Island); Nandi; Nauruan; Nukuoro
JEHOVÁ: Spanish
JEHÔVA: Fang; Tsimihety
JEHOVAH: Dutch; Efik; English; Kalenjin; Malagasy; Narrinyeri; Ojibwa
JEOVA: Kusaie (Kosraean)
JIHOVA: Naga (Angami); Naga (Konyak); Naga (Lotha); Naga (Mao); Naga (Ntenyi); Naga (Sangtam); Rotuman
JIOUA: Mortlock
JIOVA: Fijian
JIWHEYẸWHE: Gu (Alada)
SIHOVA: Tongan
UYEHOVA: Zulu
YAHOWA: Thai
YAHVE: Ila
YAVE: Kongo
YAWE: Bobangi; Bolia; Dholuo; Lingala; Mongo (Lolo); (Lo)Ngandu; (Lo)Ntumba; (Ke)Sengele
YEHÓA: Awabakal
YEHOFA: Southern Sotho
YEHOVA: Chokwe; Chuana (Tlapi); (Ki)Kalanga; Logo; Luba; Lugbara; (Chi)Luimbi; (Chi)Lunda (Ndembu); (Chi)Luvale; Santo (Hog Harbor); Tiv; Umbundu; (Isi)Xhosa
YEHOVAH: Bube; Mohawk; Nguna (Efate); Nguna (Tongoa)
YEHOWA: Ga; Laotian; (Ki)Songe; Tshiluba
YEKOVA: Zande
YEOBA: Kuba (Inkongo)
YEOHOWA: Korean
YHWH: Hebrew
YOWO: Lomwe
ZAHOVA: Chin (Haka-Lai)

Ok, then what difference does it make? Aren't all of these names God? Then why can't I just call Him God?
So let's say, you move into a neighborhood with many different nationalities. You go to the first house and asks them who they worship (these folk are from Georgia--they say Jehovah, the next house is from France. Ask them and they say IHWH. Is it the same God? Yes. This is why i don't understand why such a big deal is made out of the name. I am learning Latin. I will call Him Deus. YHVH As for examples for stuff, I can do that too.
(The big deal is who He is, Our Creator, Giver of Life, who loves us so much He gave Jesus to die for us in our place, unmerited (Thank You , Lord.)
Anyway, here is the name for the 7th Day in many languages.
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

No matter what ya call it, it's still the 7th day.


When Jesus came and proclaimed the name of the Lord, it wasn't to say, Oh, yes. His name is Jehovah. The people of Israel knew exactly who He was. Jesus came to proclaim the goodness of the Lord, and what His desires were for mankind. What good would it have been if He had said, Oh BTW the Lord's name is Jehovah. None. It was His character as a loving Father that was to be made known. He showed the Father by works of mercy.
 

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Yahweh is Hebrew sir, I speak in English. I did not translate YHWH to Jehovah in English, but I accept that every single English Bible that translated the tetragramaton into English unaltered, translated it Jehovah.

"Every single English Bible"...? Not quite true, as I stated in a previous post. I have over a dozen English translations in my library, that have restored the name throughout, and they all use YAHWEH. Other translation I have use JEHOVAH, but only in a few places.

I see that Jehovah prevented His name from being removed from the most popular English version ever the KJV even though the translators tried hard to remove it. No other explanation to me why they were unable to remove it, in fact after we released the NWT with the name restored, derivatives of the KJV was able to remove Jehovah from their versions. God's name is widely known now, so He is allowing it, although I know of no English version that was able to remove Jah.

No offense, you seem to be hung up on the name being JEHOVAH, all I'm saying and all scholars agree, we don't know what the name really is. So if you wish to refer to Him as such, fine. I'm privy to both YAHWEH/JEHOVAH, when speaking of Him, but FATHER when speaking to Him. As However as I stated, YAHWEH predates JEHOVAH.

Since Jehovah's name is pronounced differently in different languages and even with accents pronounced somewhat differently even inside the same language, it matters not to Him how it is pronounced.

So what is it you are trying to convince us of ... that God's name is JEHOVAH and we should use that name in our worship or that God has a name we can't pronounce so use whatever you think it is? It would be silly to say okay, I'll call him Joe, he knows I'm talking to him. I am of course being facetious. "Greg Stafford formed the Christian Witnesses of Jah. Does that name meet with your approval? It is after all a form of the name. Halleluyah or "Praise Yah". In fact the NTW uses "Praise Jah" in Psalm 147:1 and elsewhere. The Watchtower wrote

"To praise Jah: The expression “Praise Jah” comes from the Hebrew word “Hallelujah.”. Jah is the short form of the name of God." (WT July 2017, p. 20)​
Which leads to me another question, why JAH? Shouldn't it be JEH?

One thing is certain however, if you never use the name of an acquaintance, you will never ever have a close relationship with them. Also something to consider, if you never call on Jehovah's name, you will not have salvation either Rom 10:13.

As Jesus stated in John 17:6, 26 "I have revealed Your name to the men You gave Me from the world." Is He saying that he told His Disciples, "My Fathers name is Jehovah"? Or was he revealing who the Father was through the name? As Jews, I'm sure the Disciples knew the name, but didn't quite know the person behind the name.

People have been calling upon God using His name way before He had a covenanted people sir, it first occurs in Genesis 2:4 in the Bible. With the inception of the new covenant, Jehovah selected from among the nations a people for His name: (Acts 15:14) . . .Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.

Let's look at this verse in context:
"Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: ‘After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’"
- Acts 15:14-17​

James quoted from the Old Testament: “On that day I will raise up The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down, And repair its damages;
I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old; That they may possess the remnant of Edom, And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,”
Says the Lord who does this thing. (Amos 9:11,12). The key words used by James are “after this”; that is, after the calling of a sufficient number of Gentiles, after the Church is complete, would come the repairing of the covenant relationship with Israel along natural lines. These verses would be only a summary of what James said on that occasion. The calling of the Gentiles agreed with Scripture. After the Gentiles have been called out as a people for God’s name, the Jewish nation will be built again under the New Covenant. James was saying in effect, “You should not be so surprised about the Gentiles because God’s plan is to reconcile the world, the ‘residue of men.’ The Gentiles are in God’s plan in both the Gospel Age and the Millennial Age.” Paul states similar in Romans.


Is there a people for Jehovah's name today Berean?

The Nation of Israel are God's Witnesses, which will be testified in due time. That's another discuss we can have if you which to delve into it. That being said, just before he ascended to the Father in heaven, Jesus told his disciples; "you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” - Acts 1:8. Now, you'll probably argue that Jesus was the ultimate Jehovah's Witness, and that as such we are to follow His example. That may be true, but remember, Jesus NEVER neglected to point to the Heavenly Father and give Him praise and honor. He told Satan, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ - Matthew 4:10, Luke 4:8. But His last message to his Disciples was, "You shall be witnesses of me".
 
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