The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Marymog]

Oh, that dirty, stigmatized word you use to shame and belittle those who obey the 4th Commandment. What do you call somebody who obeys the 1st, or the 2nd, or the 3rd? Heck, what do you call yourselves for obeying EIGHT or NINE of the Commandments? That's gotta be an interesting slur..

I didn't create the "dirty, stigmatized word" you speak of. It is a common word used by the common man to describe what you practice. If you feel stigmatized then don't blame me...look into your own feelings.

 

[Marymog]

I don't claim any allegiance to any specific denomination to make the point that denominations are really irrelevant.

I know. You claim allegiance to yourself and what YOU think.

 

[BarneyFife]

When I need to use Scripture to destroy what you have been taught by your 19th century men, I will use Scripture. Otherwise I will continue to use logic and historical (before the 19th century) to destroy your beliefs. Which is what I have been doing. None the less, here is some Scripture and Christian history that was written before the 19th history you adhere to:

Sunday was the day he was found to have been resurrected, and his first two appearance to the twelve disciples were on the following two Sundays (Jn. 20:19, 20:26). Again, five weeks later—on Sunday—the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles. Colossians 2:17–19: “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” In Paul’s letter to the Romans, written around 57–58, he says, “For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord” (Rom. 14:5–6). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. It must be noted, however, that Paul does not specifically mention the Sabbath here. The Didache taught: “On the Lord’s own day, gather together and break bread.” This is a clear reference invoking Christians to worship on Sunday written around the year 100. In the year 110—only twelve years after the death of the last apostle—Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, calls the Sabbath “antiquated.” The full passage of the letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians, reads: “Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lord’s day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death.” The Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 130–135) is the first explicit mention of Lord’s day worship being based on the Resurrection. Barnabas writes: “Finally He [God] says to them: ‘I cannot bear your new moons and Sabbaths.’ You see what he means: It is not the present Sabbaths that are acceptable to me, but the one that I have made; on that Sabbath day, which is the beginning of another world. This is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven.”

So there you go kiddo.

You are wrong. Ha, ha, ha, ha! See, that's okay because you didn't tell me this is the Truth--you told it to G2R.

 

[Marymog]

Thanks for your strange reply. I'm afraid I failed to give you a correct impression of where I am coming from. No worries.

How is it strange? Your post suggest YOU know the truth over what the SDA's and Baptist taught you. You rejected those leaders pf those churches who ruled over you and made yourself your own ruler.

Or are you saying you belong to a church that has men who rule over you and are in charge of your soul? If so, which church is that?

 

[Marymog]

You are wrong. Ha, ha, ha, ha! See, that's okay because you didn't tell me this is the Truth--you told it to G2R.

Lol....thanks for keeping the debate light. I appreciate it.

Now I am telling you. What I say to you AND G2R is from the Truth from the pillar and foundation of truth.

 

[BarneyFife]

How is it strange? Your post suggest YOU know the truth over what the SDA's and Baptist taught you. You rejected those leaders pf those churches who ruled over you and made yourself your own ruler.

Or are you saying you belong to a church that has men who rule over you and are in charge of your soul? If so, which church is that?

Lol....thanks for keeping the debate light. I appreciate it.

Now I am telling you. What I say to you AND G2R is from the Truth from the pillar and foundation of truth.

Kewl

 

[Marymog]

Kewl

Hmmm....no response to my questions

 

[GEN2REV]

So there you go kiddo.

Well now you've done it.

You've "destroyed my beliefs."

Good day to you.

 

[GEN2REV]

I know. You claim allegiance to yourself and what YOU think.

Ohhhh! Twisty - TWISTY!!!!

 

[BarneyFife]

Hmmm....no response to my questions

Well, it looks like a trap to me, but I'll say 'neither.'

 

[Marymog]

Well, it looks like a trap to me, but I'll say 'neither.'

Dear B5,

How is me asking you questions about what YOU SAID you believe a "trap"?

I think the very simple questions I asked put you in a dilemma. If you answer them honestly you would realize that what you believe is not based on Scripture nor logical...but I digress....

Thank you for your time...Mary

 

[Marymog]

Ohhhh! Twisty - TWISTY!!!!

Good morning Gen2rev,

Lol....that's your way of defending what YOU SAID? Accusing me of twisting what you said but not clarifying what you said/believe? Hmmmm.....


Well, I if I am twisting what you said then please clarify. YOU SAID "I don't claim any allegiance to any specific denomination"!
So, who do you claim an allegiance to if not yourself? Who rules over you that you submit to?

Only you can un-twist my alleged twisting! Here is your chance.

Scripture says, Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

[Marymog]

You've "destroyed my beliefs."

Good, we are starting from scratch. How about if you read what the men who walked and talked with the Apostles wrote instead of what your 16th century men wrote? That is a good place to start "scratching" (learning)!

• Clement of Rome, the third successor to Peter as Bishop of Rome, "had seen the blessed Apostles (Peter and Paul)
• Ignatius of Antioch was the second successor of Peter in the See of Antioch
• Polycarp was "instructed by Apostles"

If your men disagree with those 3 men you should run far, far away from your men. I guarantee your men disagree with those 3 men so put your running shoes on.

Mary

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

"This law is universal in its prescriptions. In all things it is holy, wise, and benevolent. None can be truly pious without consenting it is good. Whoever esteems any of its precepts grievous shows that his heart is still unregenerated." - William Plumer

 

[BarneyFife]

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[BarneyFife]

Good, we are starting from scratch. How about if you read what the men who walked and talked with the Apostles wrote instead of what your 16th century men wrote? That is a good place to start "scratching" (learning)!

• Clement of Rome, the third successor to Peter as Bishop of Rome, "had seen the blessed Apostles (Peter and Paul)
• Ignatius of Antioch was the second successor of Peter in the See of Antioch
• Polycarp was "instructed by Apostles"

If your men disagree with those 3 men you should run far, far away from your men. I guarantee your men disagree with those 3 men so put your running shoes on.

Mary

Why not just read the "men" themselves, rather than the "successors to" and the "pupils of?" Wouldn't they have been the closest to the "one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus?" Wouldn't that truly be starting from scratch?

 

[GEN2REV]

If your men disagree with those 3 men you should run far, far away from your men. I guarantee your men disagree with those 3 men so put your running shoes on.

As usual, you've completely fabricated a discussion that doesn't follow the original discussion one bit.

This all began with my mention of Catholics' observing of idols within your religion and, thus, obeying only 8 of the 10 Commandments, with your ignoring of the 4th Commandment as well.

In turn, you presented a number of historical Christian figures, claimed they had statues, showed images of said statues and fabricated a case that Christians somehow worship these 'statues' as idols.

From the top, ... Catholics actually do have statues in their churches of different people like Mary and Jesus. Their statues of Mary are often at the front of the church right up near the area of their tasteless images of Christ being crucified in grave detail, etc.

Christians (Protestants, etc.) do not have statues in their churches. And until you posted images of the men's statues you are claiming we worship, I'd never seen one before in my life. Certainly not in person.

Get your story straight. If that's possible.

If there was a rule here to discuss, and debate, truthfully and honestly, I don't think you'd have a single thing to say.

 

[Marymog]

Christians (Protestants, etc.) do not have statues in their churches. And until you posted images of the men's statues you are claiming we worship, I'd never seen one before in my life. Certainly not in person.

Get your story straight. If that's possible.

If there was a rule here to discuss, and debate, truthfully and honestly, I don't think you'd have a single thing to say.

Get your story straight, if that's possible.

Protestant Church, Bern Switzerland

Protestant Church, Berlin

Protestant Church, London

I could go on and on and on....but you get the point!!!

 

[Marymog]

From the top, ... Catholics actually do have statues in their churches of different people like Mary and Jesus. Their statues of Mary are often at the front of the church right up near the area of their tasteless images of Christ being crucified in grave detail, etc.

Gasp.....statues of the Mother of God and Jesus in a ornate CHRISTIAN CHURCH? Blasphemy upon or God for sure! He would never approve of that in HIS house....

Exodus 25:18-20
1 Chronicles 28:18-19
Ezekiel 41:17-18
Numbers 21:8-9

And we certainly wouldn't want to look at a grave detailed image of Christ being crucified to remind us of what He did for US....oh, the blasphemy of that image. PLEASE GOD, don't remind me of what your Son did for all of mankind

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Marymog]

Why not just read the "men" themselves, rather than the "successors to" and the "pupils of?" Wouldn't they have been the closest to the "one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus?" Wouldn't that truly be starting from scratch?

Lol....Wait a minute, HOLD ON! Are you being serious?

YOU read and agree with the interpretations of Scripture from men from the 16th century OR you read Scripture on your own and interpret it into your own truth BUT you are suggesting to me that I shouldn't accept the interpretation of men who talked with and were pupils of the men who WROTE SCRIPTURE???? I should come up with my own interpretation? Simply F A S C I N A T I N G...............