"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[theefaith]

Lookie!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

vacate the camp of the heretics for the glorious communion of saints where Christ is king and we His faithful obedient subjects!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“it” it is redemption not justification
Sanctification
Or
Salvation

You need to study more my friend.

You can not do one work to earn your way to heaven. You have a death penalty against you. (the penalty of sin is death) In a court of law, that is what you are dealing with. And the judge (God) has determined you are guilty in his eternal court.

In fact. for every sin you have ever committed, You have 1 death sentence for each sin. So how many death penalties do you have against you? 100's? 1000's? Millions?

that is what you and I have to overcome if we want to get to heaven. We are judicially seen as guilty as charged.

The ONLY legal way in which you can be declared righteous in each and every case God has against you for ever sin is to have that sentence redeemed, Your guilt has to be paid for by another, so your freedom is paid.

Once this is done, You are declared righteous. or in the legal sense you are considered "justified"

There is no justification apart from redemption. And there is no other way to be justified legally except redemption.

Jesus paid your price for you.

You can't pay for one sin by being baptized

You can't pay for one sin by confession

You can't pay for 1 sin by an act of penance

You can't pay for 1 sin by any sacrament,

The panalty of sin is death, Thats the price you owe for every sin you have ever commited..

The only means of redemption you have is death, in this case, the death of Christ. Because your death is eternal death. Unless it is redeemed.

the penalty if sin is death, the GIFT OF GOD IS LIFE.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lookie!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

vacate the camp of the heretics for the glorious communion of saints where Christ is king and we His faithful obedient subjects!

read my response above

Wake up my friend, I beg of you

 

[ScottA]

Scott,

I find the better biblical language is perseverance of the saints (Ephesians 1:13-14 ESV). This is especially so in light of Heb 6:4-6 (ESV).

Doing exegesis is radically different from using dictionaries.

Will Ravi Zacharias be saved eternally? Did you get that meaning from a dictionary?

Oz

My answer was due to the obvious lack on the part of many, to on the most basic level of their own given language, to understand what the words even mean. Which is to say, that although I agree that we should all be advanced in our learning by this time, they (many) are far from ready for exegesis and the understanding of the great things that God has done for our salvation--even saying that it was finished even before the world began. Even so, many are in need of even more than milk, but of coddling also. Which, at this latter time should not be so. And if they cannot even read and understand the words--where are their teachers? For this reason the teachers are held accountable, and the people suffer.

 

[ScottA]

Lookie!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

vacate the camp of the heretics for the glorious communion of saints where Christ is king and we His faithful obedient subjects!

It is good that you have a heart for obedience and for doing good works--it is to be so. But that is not the means of salvation, that is rather the means by which His servants should expect to carry the water of salvation--which they themselves have no ability to bear, but rather it is He who sends them that has bared it already. It is in this understanding that the true knowledge of salvation comes--that he who serves has no actual authority--and that this knowledge is the only thing that makes one worthy.

Thus, if you prescribe to an authority taken up by men who could not carry it, but put on a facade they themselves did not even understand--you make the same mistake.

That mistake is to think that men of God were given the ability to be God to other men--not by word, for they would never say it is so...but by their actions and by their claim and their lording over their equals. Not even the gifts from God given to men, make them lords. Nor does God raising up Priests and Kings--these are to be upright, but more importantly contrite. This is how God raises up those who are to lead--not by privilege or works of achievement...but no, they go to the back of the line, not the front--they lead from the rear, they are the wait staff and only eat in order to serve.

This, you and your fathers have greatly misunderstood. You were given a job, a commission--not a position.

 

[theefaith]

You need to study more my friend.

You can not do one work to earn your way to heaven. You have a death penalty against you. (the penalty of sin is death) In a court of law, that is what you are dealing with. And the judge (God) has determined you are guilty in his eternal court.

In fact. for every sin you have ever committed, You have 1 death sentence for each sin. So how many death penalties do you have against you? 100's? 1000's? Millions?

that is what you and I have to overcome if we want to get to heaven. We are judicially seen as guilty as charged.

The ONLY legal way in which you can be declared righteous in each and every case God has against you for ever sin is to have that sentence redeemed, Your guilt has to be paid for by another, so your freedom is paid.

Once this is done, You are declared righteous. or in the legal sense you are considered "justified"

There is no justification apart from redemption. And there is no other way to be justified legally except redemption.

Jesus paid your price for you.

You can't pay for one sin by being baptized

You can't pay for one sin by confession

You can't pay for 1 sin by an act of penance

You can't pay for 1 sin by any sacrament,

The panalty of sin is death, Thats the price you owe for every sin you have ever commited..

The only means of redemption you have is death, in this case, the death of Christ. Because your death is eternal death. Unless it is redeemed.

the penalty if sin is death, the GIFT OF GOD IS LIFE.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[theefaith]

read my response above

Wake up my friend, I beg of you

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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That was done by God himself. we were literally baptized (immersed) into Christ, His death.

That was not done by your priest. Your priest does not have that power.

Your water baptism (sprinkling) did not remove one sin from your account, or debt, that you owe god.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

the penalty of sin is DEATH

the gift of God is LIFE

You have a choice my friend, Suffer the [penalty you deserve

or receive the gift in faith.

There are no other options..

Try to earn your salvation like the jews, the muslims the legalistic christians and the world does. You will suffer what you deserve, eternal death.

God standard is perfect righteousness.. No one has met that standard but Christ. So ONLY Christ can redeem you from your sin.

 

[theefaith]

It is good that you have a heart for obedience and for doing good works--it is to be so. But that is not the means of salvation, that is rather the means by which His servants should expect to carry the water of salvation--which they themselves have no ability to bear, but rather it is He who sends them that has bared it already. It is in this understanding that the true knowledge of salvation comes--that he who serves has no actual authority--and that this knowledge is the only thing that makes one worthy.

Thus, if you prescribe to an authority taken up by men who could not carry it, but put on a facade they themselves did not even understand--you make the same mistake.

That mistake is to think that men of God were given the ability to be God to other men--not by word, for they would never say it is so...but by their actions and by their claim and their lording over their equals. Not even the gifts from God given to men, make them lords. Nor does God raising up Priests and Kings--these are to be upright, but more importantly contrite. This is how God raises up those who are to lead--not by privilege or works of achievement...but no, they go to the back of the line, not the front--they lead from the rear, they are the wait staff and only eat in order to serve.

This, you and your fathers have greatly misunderstood. You were given a job, a commission--not a position.

not an office?
Like bishop?

 

[theefaith]

It is good that you have a heart for obedience and for doing good works--it is to be so. But that is not the means of salvation, that is rather the means by which His servants should expect to carry the water of salvation--which they themselves have no ability to bear, but rather it is He who sends them that has bared it already. It is in this understanding that the true knowledge of salvation comes--that he who serves has no actual authority--and that this knowledge is the only thing that makes one worthy.

Thus, if you prescribe to an authority taken up by men who could not carry it, but put on a facade they themselves did not even understand--you make the same mistake.

That mistake is to think that men of God were given the ability to be God to other men--not by word, for they would never say it is so...but by their actions and by their claim and their lording over their equals. Not even the gifts from God given to men, make them lords. Nor does God raising up Priests and Kings--these are to be upright, but more importantly contrite. This is how God raises up those who are to lead--not by privilege or works of achievement...but no, they go to the back of the line, not the front--they lead from the rear, they are the wait staff and only eat in order to serve.

This, you and your fathers have greatly misunderstood. You were given a job, a commission--not a position.

what about faith and baptism?
Mk 16:16 acts 2:38 acts 8:36-38

 

[ScottA]

not an office?
Like bishop?

You and your fathers have made more of things than you were given.

 

[theefaith]

ye[

That was done by God himself. we were literally baptized (immersed) into Christ, His death.

That was not done by your priest. Your priest does not have that power.

Your water baptism (sprinkling) did not remove one sin from your account, or debt, that you owe god.

water is the outward sign
Inward it was grace that washed away all sin

without the outward sign there can be no inward washing of grace

 

[ScottA]

what about faith and baptism?
Mk 16:16 acts 2:38 acts 8:36-38

What about them?

• Faith is the act of receiving what is given by God.
• Baptism is a vision given by those who have received from God, to those who have not.

 

[theefaith]

the penalty of sin is DEATH

the gift of God is LIFE

Thru baptism
In baptism we die with Christ and brought to life
Eph 2 he quickend us
Brought to life in baptism and all the sacraments increase sanctifying grace

You have a choice my friend, Suffer the [penalty you deserve

or receive the gift in faith.

There are no other options..

Try to earn your salvation like the jews, the muslims the legalistic christians and the world does. You will suffer what you deserve, eternal death.

God standard is perfect righteousness.. No one has met that standard but Christ. So ONLY Christ can redeem you from your sin.

Faith alone?

Charity not required?

 

[ScottA]

water is the outward sign
Inward it was grace that washed away all sin

without the outward sign there can be no inward washing of grace

No...the water has no more power than idols. The washing necessary is by the Spirit alone.

 

[ScottA]

Faith alone?

Charity not required?

Have you not read:

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.​

 

[theefaith]

What about them?

• Faith is the act of receiving what is given by God.
• Baptism is a vision given by those who have received from God, to those who have not.

month are required for salvation
Mk 16:18 acts 2:38 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:20

A sacrament is an outward efficacious sign instituted by Christ to give grace. Jesus Christ himself is the sacrament, as he gave his life to save mankind. His humanity is the outward sign or the instrument of his Divinity. It is through his humanity that the life of the Trinity comes to us as grace through the sacraments. It is Jesus Christ alone who mediates the sacraments to allow grace to flow to mankind.

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[theefaith]

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!


Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[theefaith]

No...the water has no more power than idols. The washing necessary is by the Spirit alone.

acts 22:16

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.