Who has the authority…

[theefaith]

Eph_6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph_6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php_1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;
Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php_2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Col_1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col_1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Col_2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Col_2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col_2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1Th_1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th_1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
1Th_3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
1Th_3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
1Th_3:6 But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity, and that ye have good remembrance of us always, desiring greatly to see us, as we also to see you:
1Th_3:7 Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:
1Th_3:10 Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
2Th_1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th_1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th_1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th_3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
1Ti_1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti_1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti_1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1Ti_2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ,
and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
1Ti_2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1Ti_3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti_3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti_4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1Ti_4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
1Ti_5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1Ti_6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
1Ti_6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
1Ti_6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.
2Ti_1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

All refer to baptized Christians

not “faith alone” believers

A) "It does not suffice to believe. He who believes and is not yet baptized, but is only a Catechumen, has not yet fully acquired salvation." St. Thomas Aquinas

B) "Now, even the Catechumen believes in the Cross of the Lord Jesus, but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." St. Ambrose

C) "Without the Sacrament of Baptism, no one is ever justified. If anyone says that Baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema." Council of Trent

D)
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
St. AUGUSTINE

 

[Johann]

All refer to baptized Christians

not “faith alone” believers

A) "It does not suffice to believe. He who believes and is not yet baptized, but is only a Catechumen, has not yet fully acquired salvation." St. Thomas Aquinas

B) "Now, even the Catechumen believes in the Cross of the Lord Jesus, but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." St. Ambrose

C) "Without the Sacrament of Baptism, no one is ever justified. If anyone says that Baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema." Council of Trent

D)
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
St. AUGUSTINE

Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law....no water baptism here

Rom_4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God....Abraham's faith...not water

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:...faith...not water

Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him...Christ's shed blood..not water

Rom_8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified....all God's doing..not water

1Co_6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God...all God's doing..not water

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified...faith...not water

Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life....grace..not water

Jas_2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?..not water

Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only...not water

Jas_2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?...not water

How am I doing?

 

[theefaith]

Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law....no water baptism here

Rom_4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God....Abraham's faith...not water

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:...faith...not water

Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him...Christ's shed blood..not water

Rom_8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified....all God's doing..not water

1Co_6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God...all God's doing..not water

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified...faith...not water

Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life....grace..not water

Jas_2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?..not water

Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only...not water

Jas_2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?...not water

How am I doing?

deeds of the law is a legal term and does not apply to baptism

deeds of the law refers to the mosaic covenant the new covenant initiation is by faith and baptism

 

[theefaith]

Eph 2 refers to redemption not justification

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

[theefaith]

And no one is saved until the end

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[Johann]

Eph 2 refers to redemption not justification

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

What is justification?
You may look it up on Google since everyone is doing it.

 

[theefaith]

What is justification?
You may look it up on Google since everyone is doing it.

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

 

[Johann]

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Keep on searching, some love to swim on the surface, others dive deep

 

[theefaith]

Keep on searching, some love to swim on the surface, others dive deep

Are you claiming “justification by faith alone”?

 

[Johann]

Are you claiming “justification by faith alone”?

Are you denying it?
Blessings

 

[Marymog]

I believe so maam, but of course that is irrelevant as I have to answer for myself, but I did take the Bible and prove it to myself.....

Thanks Robert for your opinion. I will stick with Scripture which says opposite of what you have 'proven to yourself': Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account,

Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

 

[ScottA]

Thanks Robert for your opinion. I will stick with Scripture which says opposite of what you have 'proven to yourself': Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account,

Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Hope I am not butting in...but that was indeed the commission. It's just that it did not turn out that way, as Paul indicated it would in the following verses:

29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Acts 20:29:31​

By Paul's words we know (as he knew) that the authority of the church fathers was perverted away from "the whole counsel of God" and Paul's teachings.

But that is just one chapter of church history. Before that, Paul not Peter, was sent as the apostle to the gentiles, breaking any succession of authority among men. And having failed--as both Peter and Paul foretold that it would, the authority thus remains exactly where Jesus indicated...which was by "My Father who is in heaven", via the Holy Spirit, that other Helper sent by Jesus. And the rest of history shows the church carrying the water of the gospel to the ends of the earth only to be taken up again at every turn by the Holy Spirit, in spite of the failures of the church, effectively withdrawing any real measure of authority--just as He said, and just as it is written.

All authority remains with the Holy Spirit of God.

 

[Marymog]

Hope I am not butting in...but that was indeed the commission. It's just that it did not turn out that way, as Paul indicated it would in the following verses:

29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Acts 20:29:31​

By Paul's words we know (as he knew) that the authority of the church fathers was perverted away from "the whole counsel of God" and Paul's teachings.

But that is just one chapter of church history. Before that, Paul not Peter, was sent as the apostle to the gentiles, breaking any succession of authority among men. And having failed--as both Peter and Paul foretold that it would, the authority thus remains exactly where Jesus indicated...which was by "My Father who is in heaven", via the Holy Spirit, that other Helper sent by Jesus. And the rest of history shows the church carrying the water of the gospel to the ends of the earth only to be taken up again at every turn by the Holy Spirit, in spite of the failures of the church, effectively withdrawing any real measure of authority--just as He said, and just as it is written.

All authority remains with the Holy Spirit of God.

Thanks Scott. I don't feel you are "butting in". I appreciate everyone's opinion. You present an interesting theory.

How was there a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' when the Apostles LITERALLY replaced Judas (a man) with another man (Matthias)? And when the Apostles voted for a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN they referenced Scripture as their justification for SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN (Acts 1:20). That is the first vs that destroys your theory.

The 2nd vs that destroys your theory is that Scripture makes it clear that we are to Obey those who rule over us and be submissive to them (Hebrews 13). So Scott, did that only pertain to the NT Christians? Did they and only they have to abide by this instruction in Scripture? Is your theory that once the last Apostle died there was no longer an AUTHORITY OF MEN to be submissive too?

The 3rd vs that destroys your theory is what Paul told Timothy, 'what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well. That passage literally says that the teaching AUTHORITY AMONG MEN will be passed down to "faithful people" who will then teach others? Or did that AUTHORITY AMONG MEN end at some point? Notice how it was PAUL who wrote that? So your theory that Paul was teaching that there is a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' is bizarre since it was Paul that taught that there is a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN!

I have several other verses AND Christian historical writings that destroy your theory...but I will leave it at that.

Mary

 

[theefaith]

Are you denying it?
Blessings

upholding Christ, his church and the scripture
Ez 36:25-27
Mk 16:16
Acts 8:36-38
1 cor 13:2 & 13:13
Phil 1:29

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

I can provide the testimony of the fathers if you like?

 

[theefaith]

Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)

 

[Johann]

Thanks Scott. I don't feel you are "butting in". I appreciate everyone's opinion. You present an interesting theory.

How was there a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' when the Apostles LITERALLY replaced Judas (a man) with another man (Matthias)? And when the Apostles voted for a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN they referenced Scripture as their justification for SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN (Acts 1:20). That is the first vs that destroys your theory.

The 2nd vs that destroys your theory is that Scripture makes it clear that we are to Obey those who rule over us and be submissive to them (Hebrews 13). So Scott, did that only pertain to the NT Christians? Did they and only they have to abide by this instruction in Scripture? Is your theory that once the last Apostle died there was no longer an AUTHORITY OF MEN to be submissive too?

The 3rd vs that destroys your theory is what Paul told Timothy, 'what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well. That passage literally says that the teaching AUTHORITY AMONG MEN will be passed down to "faithful people" who will then teach others? Or did that AUTHORITY AMONG MEN end at some point? Notice how it was PAUL who wrote that? So your theory that Paul was teaching that there is a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' is bizarre since it was Paul that taught that there is a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN!

I have several other verses AND Christian historical writings that destroy your theory...but I will leave it at that.

Mary

Mary, we are not here to "destroy" theories, sounds like you are a woman on a "mission" destroying everything in your path.

Rom_15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

νουθετεῖν...
Original: νουθετέω
- Transliteration: Noutheteo
- Phonetic: noo-thet-eh’-o
- Definition:
1. to admonish, warn, exhort
- Origin: from the same as G3559
- TDNT entry: 20:59,6
- Part(s) of speech: Verb
- Strong’s: From the same as G3559; to put in mind that is (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish warn.
Total KJV Occurrences: 8
• admonish, 3
Rom_15:14; 1Th_5:12; 2Th_3:15
• admonishing, 1
Col_3:16
• warn, 3
Act_20:31; 1Co_4:14; 1Th_5:14
• warning, 1
Col_1:28
This is not WWE Raw last man standing
Sorry for butting in

 

[theefaith]

Still no answers???


Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Johann]

Still no answers???


Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

This is what I call...here a bit, there a bit...

 

[Marymog]

Mary, we are not here to "destroy" theories, sounds like you are a woman on a "mission" destroying everything in your path.

Rom_15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

νουθετεῖν...
Original: νουθετέω
- Transliteration: Noutheteo
- Phonetic: noo-thet-eh’-o
- Definition:
1. to admonish, warn, exhort
- Origin: from the same as G3559
- TDNT entry: 20:59,6
- Part(s) of speech: Verb
- Strong’s: From the same as G3559; to put in mind that is (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish warn.
Total KJV Occurrences: 8
• admonish, 3
Rom_15:14; 1Th_5:12; 2Th_3:15
• admonishing, 1
Col_3:16
• warn, 3
Act_20:31; 1Co_4:14; 1Th_5:14
• warning, 1
Col_1:28
This is not WWE Raw last man standing
Sorry for butting in

Thanks Johann,

You are right. We are instructed to "reprove gently".

I do not feel you are butting in. Here is my edited version to @ScottA :

How was there a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' when the Apostles LITERALLY replaced Judas (a man) with another man (Matthias)? And when the Apostles voted for a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN they referenced Scripture as their justification for SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN (Acts 1:20). That is the first vs that destroys your theory.

The 2nd vs that is in Scripture that teaches opposite of your theory is that Scripture makes it clear that we are to Obey those who rule over us and be submissive to them (Hebrews 13). So Scott, did that only pertain to the NT Christians? Did they and only they have to abide by this instruction in Scripture? Is your theory that once the last Apostle died there was no longer an AUTHORITY OF MEN to be submissive too?

The 3rd vs that is in Scripture that teaches opposite of your theory is what Paul told Timothy, 'what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well. That passage literally says that the teaching AUTHORITY AMONG MEN will be passed down to "faithful people" who will then teach others? Or did that AUTHORITY AMONG MEN end at some point? Notice how it was PAUL who wrote that? So your theory that Paul was teaching that there is a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' is bizarre since it was Paul that taught that there is a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN!

I have several other verses AND Christian historical writings that teach opposite of your theory...but I will leave it at that.

 

[Johann]

Thanks Johann,

You are right. We are instructed to "reprove gently".

I do not feel you are butting in. Here is my edited version to @ScottA :

How was there a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' when the Apostles LITERALLY replaced Judas (a man) with another man (Matthias)? And when the Apostles voted for a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN they referenced Scripture as their justification for SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN (Acts 1:20). That is the first vs that destroys your theory.

The 2nd vs that is in Scripture that teaches opposite of your theory is that Scripture makes it clear that we are to Obey those who rule over us and be submissive to them (Hebrews 13). So Scott, did that only pertain to the NT Christians? Did they and only they have to abide by this instruction in Scripture? Is your theory that once the last Apostle died there was no longer an AUTHORITY OF MEN to be submissive too?

The 3rd vs that is in Scripture that teaches opposite of your theory is what Paul told Timothy, 'what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well. That passage literally says that the teaching AUTHORITY AMONG MEN will be passed down to "faithful people" who will then teach others? Or did that AUTHORITY AMONG MEN end at some point? Notice how it was PAUL who wrote that? So your theory that Paul was teaching that there is a 'breaking of succession of authority among men' is bizarre since it was Paul that taught that there is a SUCCESION OF AUTHORITY AMONG MEN!

I have several other verses AND Christian historical writings that teach opposite of your theory...but I will leave it at that.

Romans 10:15



1) "And how shall they preach?" (pos de keruksosin) "And how may they herald, preach, or proclaim." To preach in civilized societies some unit of that society, or a friendly society, must give an open door to the preacher to preach. His message must be delivered with permission granted by the civil government, 1Pe_2:13-15.

2) "Except they be sent?" (ean me apostalosin) "if they are not commissioned," sent with authority and a live-hood provided? Administrative and enlistment labors must be authorized. "By what authority doest thou these things?" is a proper question, Mar_11:28; Jesus sent the church, calls preachers, who then are sent by the church as missionaries, Mat_21:23; Mat_28:18-20; Joh_20:21; Act_1:8; Act_13:1-4; 2Co_5:18.

3) "As it is written," (kathaper gegraptai) "As it has been written," in harmony with the writing of Isa_52:7.

4) "How beautiful are the feet," (hos horaioi hoi podes) "How beautiful or desirable are the feet"; The idea is that of a runner, a courier, a news-bearer who brings good news - a message of help and hope and delivery.

5) "Of them that preach the gospel of peace," (ton evangeli zomenon) "Of those who herald the good news," of salvation and peace, thru faith in Jesus Christ. Note that the good news of the coming Messiah was even a matter of beauty in Old Testament days, as the same plan of salvation was preached then, as now, by true prophets, Isa_61:1-2; Luk_4:18-19; Gal_5:13.

6) "And bring glad tidings of good things!" (agatha) "And bring glad tidings of good things!" good things that accompany salvation such as peace, joy, love, hope, faith, etc., Act_26:16-18; 1Co_2:9; 1Co_3:8; 2Co_5:1; 2Ti_4:7-8; Rev_22:12. That a new body awaits every believer in the resurrection, and rewards done, based on deeds done and service rendered to the Lord in this life and in the church in particular, in this age is a message of good tidings, in life and in death, Eph_3:21.