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Johann
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Johann
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Thank you brother in Christ
Johann
Johann
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Johann
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“No preaching or teaching can equal that which is experimental. If we would impress the Gospel upon others, we must have first received it ourIndeed so....
selves. Vainly do you attempt to guide a child in the pathway which you have never trodden, or to speak to adults of benefits of Divine Grace
which you have never enjoyed. Happy is that preacher who can truly say he speaks what he does know and testifies what he has seen.”—Volume
54, Sermon #3089
Simply love this, an area in which I am struggling with....the experimental side, the obtaining of a witness...Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
how do you experience this co-witnessing?
@Johann Something about Spurgeon's preaching seems to be that his heart was really in what he said.....
Johann
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....and how does it fare with you?...ever "experienced" the Holy Spirit's inner witness?
“I have not much patience with a certain
class of Christians nowadays who will hear
anybody preach so long as they can say,
‘He is very clever, a fine preacher, a man of
genius, a born orator.’ Is cleverness to make
false doctrine palatable? Why, sirs, to me
the ability of a man who preaches error is
my sorrow rather than my admiration.”
― Charles H. Spurgeon
@Johann Spurgeon's preaching was more in the spirit of Jeremiah 20.9: "But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay."
Johann
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Desire Of All Nations
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Belief in the trinity requires blind faith and a need to be accepted by other people. If a doctrine is biblical, it can be proven. And if it can be proven, it can be explained(with logic). And if a doctrine can be explained, it can be understood. None of those things apply to the trinity doctrine because the people who subscribe to it can't even explain how it works, let alone reconcile it with Jesus' and Paul's own words where they say that the Father is above everybody else in authority. The reason why the Father is the Most High God is because He has no equal in rank or authority!
Saying religious sounding stuff like "someone can't understood the trinity unless God revealed it to them" doesn't prove the doctrine is true. That's a cop out excuse as to why you can't prove it's true. Everything the Bible teaches has to be supported with scripture and completely logical because God is not the author of confusion.
Human beings are not a triune being. The Bible teaches as far back as Gen 1. that every living things that breathe air are a soul and that said soul can die.
Furthermore, the spirit is not a separate entity that exists in human beings. The spirit is the seat of our intellect. In other words, it allows us to be able to process, appreciate, or understand information. It is for that reason that Paul used the human spirit in 1 Cor. 2 to explain how God's Spirit works the same way in regards to a Christian's ability to understand, process, and appreciate spiritual information.
soul and spirit have different meanings in different contexts.
body is easy, flesh
1Thessalonians 5:23, the WHOLE of man is spirit, soul, body.
God-head taught in,
1Peter 1:2
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father
In sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of
Jesus Christ.
1John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven:
The Father
The Word
and
The Holy Spirit
And these three are one.
Who sent Jesus?
John 5:30,
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
Ephesians 4:4-6
One Spirit, verse 4
One Lord, verse 5
One Father, verse 6
Philippians 4:6
Who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God.
If God hadn't revealed the Incarnation to Joseph
he wouldn't be able to believe it either. The Incarnation requires supernatural faith. Mary couldn't tell Joseph. He needed heaven's help. With out it he couldn't believe. Same with you.
Transliteration has nothing to do with idioms. Transliteration is for the purpose of making a reader able to pronounce a word as nearly as possible to the source language when the reader cannot read the source language. Idioms are specific to a language. "Sabbaton" is the Greek transliteration for "Shabbat." It is not a translation. "Shabbat" is not an idiom.
A Hebrew writer would say Yom Rishon, or "first day of the week." A Greek writer would say "hemera heliou." We see the former, not the latter. That means the texts were translated from Hebrew into Greek.
Paul uses the name Kepha because that was the man's name. He was a Jew named Shimon Kepha. The fact that there is a Greek transliteration testifies that the Hebrew name "Kepha" is the source. The non-Jewish world spoke Greek. Jews resented their occupiers and the language they spoke. That is what not being part of the "the world" is all about.
There are often scribal notes that have made there way into the text which are evidence of Hebrew authorship. For example, Matthew 27:46. Jesus speaks Aramaic and the translator of the text includes the original words Jesus spoke plus a translation. Mark 5:41 - Jesus spoke Aramaic, a copyist added the phrase, "which is, being interpreted..."
Acts 21:37 - 22:2 A guard was surprised to hear Paul speak Greek. Apparently, this was the first time he had done it. Paul addressed the crowd. They were willing to listen when they heard him speak Hebrew. Paul recounts his meeting with Jesus. Acts 26:14. What language did Paul say Jesus was speaking?
There is no evidence for Greek primacy. At least, you haven't produced any. The Romans claimed that in order to further control their audience and discriminate against the Jews.
But, here's a few Hebrew idioms for you:
“Knew her” as “sexual relations.”
Judges 19:25, 1Kings 1:4
Matthew 1:25
“Turned aside” as “changed direction.”
Exodus 3:4, 32:8, Numbers 22:23, Judges 14:8
Matthew 2:22
“From that time” as “starting now.”
Nehemiah 4:16, 13:21, Isaiah 44:8, 45:21, 48:8
Matthew 4:17, 16:21, 26:16, John 6:66
“Put away” as “divorce or rid yourself of.”
Exodus 12:15, Leviticus 21:17, Job 22:23, Jeremiah 3:1
Matthew 5:31-32, 19:3
“Lay up” as “store away.”
Genesis 41:35, Exodus 16:23, Deuteronomy 11:18 Job 22:22
Matthew 6:20, 2 Cor 12:14
“Take thought” as “worry or have concern.”
1 Samuel 9:5
Matthew 6:34, 10:19
“Came to pass” as “happened.”
Genesis 4:3, 8, Gen 6:1, 7:10, 8:6 Plus about 300 occurrences.
Matthew 7:28, 9:10, 11:1, 13:53 plus about 60 more occurrences.
“Far from thee” as “defiled, undesired, polluted.”
Genesis 18:25 Psalm 73:27, Proverbs 4:24, Ezekiel 22:5
Matthew 16:22
“Get behind me” as “submit to my authority.”
2 Kings 9:18-19
Matthew 16:23, Mark 8:33, Luke 4:8
“Fall on his (their) face” as “to bow in worship.”
Genesis 17:3, Joshua 5:14, 1 Samuel 20:41, 2 Samuel 9:6 1 Kings 18:7
Matthew 17:6, 26:39, Luke 5:12, 1 Corinthians 14:25
A remarkable occurrence: the image of Dagon fell on his face before the ark of the covenant. 1 Samuel 5:3-4
“Eye being evil” as “wishing or doing harm.”
Deuteronomy 15:9, 28:54-56, Proverbs 23:6, 28:22
Matthew 6:23, 20:15, Mark 7:22, Luke 11:34
“Hosanna.” One of many “created” Greek words to accommodate translation from Hebrew. The words shouted by the crowd were “Yawsha nah” or “save us now.” Greek has no “SH” sound, which is why Yeshua was transliterated as Iesous, and “yawsha nah” was transliterated “hosanna.”
“The way of righteousness” as “observing the Law.”
Proverbs 8:20, 12:28, 16:31.
Matthew 21:32, 2 Peter 2:21
On a side note: Matthew 15:21-28. Yeshua ignored the pleas of the Canaanite woman. She was not of the House of Israel. Yeshua was not walking around speaking Greek to attract Gentiles. In fact, He ignored them.
Where was Yeshua teaching? Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 12:9, 13:54, Mark 1:21, 29,39, Mark 6:12, Luke 4:15-20
He taught in the synagogues. John 18:20 is especially revealing.
Another example of a “created word” by the Greeks:
Matthew 23:5 The word translated from the Greek is “border.” The Greek word is kraspedon, which is of unknown derivation. The reason it is unknown is because the Greeks had to create a word for “tzitzit,” the blue fringe worn by Jewish men.
“...end of heaven.” The meaning being, “as far as the eye can see.”
Matthew 24:31 Isaiah 13:5
“Made an end” as ceasing.
Matthew 11:1
Genesis 27:30, 49:33, Exodus 31:18
“How much more” as a comparative question:
Deuteronomy 31:27, 1 Samuel 14:30, 1 Samuel 23:3, 2 Samuel 4:11, 2 Samuel 16:11, Job 15:16, Proverbs 15:11, Proverbs 19:7, Proverbs 21:27, Ezekiel 14:21
Matthew 7:11, Matthew 10:25, Luke 11:13, Luke 12:24, Luke 12:28
Romans 11:12, Romans 11:24, 1 Corinthians 6:3, Philemon 1:16, Hebrews 9:14
“Over against” meaning “on opposite sides.”
Genesis 21:16
And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
Exodus 14:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea.
Matthew 21:2
Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
Matthew 27:61
And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
“Left speaking” as stopped talking:
Ruth 1:18
Luke 5:4
“...in those days...”
Genesis 6:4 plus 63 more.
Matthew 3:1 plus 25 more.
Desire Of All Nations
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Quoting a passage without understanding what it's saying doesn't make you right. Paul was clearly not contradicting himself in 1 Cor. 11:3 where he plainly said the Father is Jesus' Boss. The Father being Jesus' Boss and Jesus Himself saying He has always honored His Father means they are not, nor have they ever been, equals.
The Father is addressed as the Most High God in the OT for a reason: He has no equal.
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Thank you for that somewuat useful, although completely irrelevant bit of linguistic information.
My point about the uses of "Kepha" in Matt. 16:18 was to show that the argument about Peter being a "small rock" (Petros) and Jesus being the "BIG Rock" (Petra) is nonsense - given the fact that the word used in Aramaic was "Kepha", which has NO distinction.
To be fair, however - I could have been more explicit about that point.
There is also the masculine/feminine Greek noun argument - but I won't go into that unless it is necessary.
Johann
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Absolutely and three Imperatives in this one verse
I have earmarked the Spurgeon quotes...
Friend, you can balk as much as you want to...Jesus the Mashiach/Moshiach is not inferior to YHVH
Joh 1:1
BESURAS HAGEULAH
ACCORDING TO
YOCHANAN
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
Joh 1:2 Bereshis (in the Beginning) this Dvar Hashem was with Hashem [Prov 8:30]. OJB.
You do know who the Memra is, don't you?
Are you here to sow seeds of doubt? Then you shall be thoroughly ekpeiradzo...not dokimazo...for we are commanded, an Imperative to peiradzo/dokimazo ho pneumatoi.
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, Achim b'Moshiach, to look out for those who cause kitot (sects) and nisyonot (temptations) contrary to the Torah which you learned, and keep away from them.
OJB
וַאֲנִי מַזְהִיר אֶתְכֶם אַחַי הִשָּׁמְרוּ לָכֶם מִמְּשַׁלְּחֵי מְדָנִים וּמוֹקְשִׁים לַהֲפֹךְ אֶת־הַלֶּקַח אֲשֶׁר לְמַדְתֶּם סוּרוּ־נָא מֵעֲלֵיהֶם׃
Rom_16:17 This warning seems to break into the context unexpectedly. However, Paul may have included it as a contrast to godly itinerant ministers. There is a list in Rom_16:17-18 of what these false teachers were doing.
1. they stirred up divisions
2. they put hindrances in the believer's way
3. they taught in opposition to the instruction the church had given
4. they were serving their own base appetites
5. they were deceiving the hearts of unsuspecting people by their smooth, flattering talk
This list is not related to the weak and strong believers of Rom_14:1 to Rom_15:13.
"turn away from them" This is a present active imperative. This is a recurrent theme (cf. Gal_1:8-9; 2Th_3:6; 2Th_3:14; 2Jn_1:10).
Rom_16:18
NASB, NRSV
TEV "their own appetites"
NKJV "their own belly"
NJB "their own greed"
This is literally "bellies" (cf. Php_3:19; Tit_1:12). The false teachers turned everything to their own base interests.
"by their smooth and flattering speech" False teachers are often physically attractive and have dynamic personalities (cf. Col_2:4). They are often very logical in their presentations. Beware! Some possible biblical tests to identify false teachers are found in Deu_13:1-5; Deu_18:22; Matthew 7; Php_3:2-3; Php_3:18-19; 1Jn_4:1-3.
"the deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting" This is a present active indicative denoting ongoing deception. These apparently new or naive believers were vulnerable ("inexperienced in evil").
Blessings
J.
First to me, then to you...
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
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