"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

[APAK]

And not to side swipe or throw in a grenade in this conversation, BUT, how and why is the Sabbath kept and who is the owner of it?
Any takers including @quietthinker or @VictoryinJesus or @Bob Estey

 

[amigo de christo]

For the Holy Ghost sheds the love of GOD upon the heart of a lamb .
Thus we love what he calls righteous and we flee what he has called evil .
Have all faith in Christ . And let us be hearers and doers of all that He did teach .
For we have been created a new man , created unto good works wherein GOD had beforetime ordained that we should walk in them .
Lambs love what is true , what is holy , what is pure , what is righteous . Lambs love every word of GOD .
Taking heed unto every warning and every promise . Simply believe what was written aforetime for our learning .
Take heed to what follows those IFS , take heed to every word . FOR every Word inspired by GOD
worketh good unto the soul of the hearer and the doer

 

[Bob Estey]

hey hey Bob!...the deduction is; if one doesn't have the laws on/in ones heart, it results in fundamentally misunderstanding or not being able to see what its point is.

We are all just learning. I think Paul's teaching is very helpful: Pray constantly (1 Thessalonians 5:17).

 

[amigo de christo]

For the Holy Ghost sheds the love of GOD upon the heart of a lamb .
Thus we love what he calls righteous and we flee what he has called evil .
Have all faith in Christ . And let us be hearers and doers of all that He did teach .
For we have been created a new man , created unto good works wherein GOD had beforetime ordained that we should walk in them .
Lambs love what is true , what is holy , what is pure , what is righteous . Lambs love every word of GOD .
Taking heed unto every warning and every promise . Simply believe what was written aforetime for our learning .
Take heed to what follows those IFS , take heed to every word . FOR every Word inspired by GOD
worketh good unto the soul of the hearer and the doer

 

[amigo de christo]

Let all that has breath praise the glorious wonderous Lord .

 

[Bob Estey]

You are not actually answering my question Bob. Let me try and decipher what you just said and jump in if I went off track...

So you know you sin only if you are convicted of sin in your heart by the spirit then Bob, and nothing you imagine or generate on your own, just in case, is never called a sin?

As I've said, when we sin, trouble enters our lives. Naturally, then, we don't want to sin.

So how do we identify sin? Well, you have the Ten Commandments, and you have the two great commandments, and you have the whole Bible to define the commandments. But perhaps most importantly you have this: Pray constantly (1 Thessalonians). How better to learn than to talk with God?

 

[APAK]

As I've said, when we sin, trouble enters our lives. Naturally, then, we don't want to sin.

So how do we identify sin? Well, you have the Ten Commandments, and you have the two great commandments, and you have the whole Bible to define the commandments. But perhaps most importantly you have this: Pray constantly (1 Thessalonians). How better to learn than to talk with God?

Thank you Bob. I would like to add more on this subject, maybe at a later date then.

 

[Bob Estey]

Thank you Bob. I would like to add more on this subject, maybe at a later date then.

Okay.

 

[Bob Estey]

Thank you Bob. I would like to add more on this subject, maybe at a later date then.

Okay.

Whoops - I didn't include the specific Bible verse (for "pray constantly"): 1 Thessalonians 5:17 RSV.

 

[quietthinker]

And not to side swipe or throw in a grenade in this conversation, BUT, how and why is the Sabbath kept and who is the owner of it?
Any takers including @quietthinker or @VictoryinJesus or @Bob Estey

The Commandment asks that we remember it (because I guess the giver anticipated it would be forgotten) and as I interpret the details it means putting aside consuming secular engagements.
In context, 'Remember' has this definition.

I do not think it means getting around as if one is untouchable and with a broom stick up the rear end, so to speak.

 

[GEN2REV]

I keep Christs law.
You ignorantly think if the old law has a commandment like,
Do not steel.
If I keep the commandment to not steel,
Then according to your mistake I'm keeping the old law.

Wrong Sir,
You are ignoring the fact that Jesus' new law has the law to not steal.
Therefore I'm obeying Jesus' new commandment!
Not the old laws of Moses!

The old law has ended!

Galatians 3:23-24
But before faith came, we were kept under guard by law(old law)
Kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

-24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Now, faith has come! What did Paul say would happen to the old law when faith comes?
Answer Romans 10:4,
For Christ is the end of the law(OT law) for righteousness to everyone who believes(faith).

Faith in Christ has come! Therefore Jesus has put an END to the old law, 10 commandments

The 10 Commandments are not old and expired. They will never expire and that was a given throughout Christ's life upon the earth.

He spoke an abbreviated version of them in His 2 Commandments, but those were the 10 Commandments abbreviated.

Bottom line: Jesus obeyed all of the 10 Commandments John 15:10, just as He expected us to do going forward - and just as John tells us we are to do today.
1 John 2:6

There's no getting around it.

 

[GEN2REV]

No way.
You do not keep the Sabbath Sir.

Now we're getting to the bottom of the issues with you.

You are literally delusional if you believe you can tell people, online no less, what they do or do not do.

You cannot keep the ten commandments.

I keep all of the 10 Commandments via the enabling power of the Holy Spirit. And James 3:2 has me covered when I slip up.

And I absolutely keep the Sabbath and have for close to a decade. Animal sacrifices, and all that other total nonsense you threw out, is not required to do so.

Now answer my question,
Give a scriptural answer to where do you get the authority to keep some of the old law and not all of it?

No need, I keep all of it. Just as the Holy Spirit has the Commandments, that it kept fully throughout Christ's life, I have them written on my heart as we speak.

I'm sorry if you're not capable of keeping them. Sounds like you need to check your relationship with God and His Holy Spirit.

It's not a burden if you have His Spirit.

You'd better do some praying.

 

[mailmandan]

Now we're getting to the bottom of the issues with you.

You are literally delusional if you believe you can tell people, online no less, what they do or do not do.I keep all of the 10 Commandments via the enabling power of the Holy Spirit. And James 3:2 has me covered when I slip up.

And I absolutely keep the Sabbath and have for close to a decade. Animal sacrifices, and all that other total nonsense you threw out, is not required to do so.No need, I keep all of it. Just as the Holy Spirit has the Commandments, that it kept fully throughout Christ's life, I have them written on my heart as we speak.

I'm sorry if you're not capable of keeping them. Sounds like you need to check your relationship with God and His Holy Spirit.

It's not a burden if you have His Spirit.

You'd better do some praying.

That’s a lot of “I” and your hateful rants demonstrate otherwise. Judgmental, mean-spirited and self-righteous is no way to go through life son.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s a lot of “I” and your hateful rants demonstrate otherwise. Judgmental, mean-spirited and self-righteous is no way to go through life son.

He is delusional thinking he can keep all ten perfectly as it is.

When someone says they keep them. I think of those who told Jesus that. They did not get the hint when Jesus tried to get them to look inside to see they were deceived either.

 

[GEN2REV]

That’s a lot of “I” and your hateful rants demonstrate otherwise. Judgmental, mean-spirited and self-righteous is no way to go through life son.

He is delusional thinking he can keep all ten perfectly as it is.

I keep all of the 10 Commandments via the enabling power of the Holy Spirit. And James 3:2 has me covered when I slip up.

Deceived christians, like yourself (you really should just pick one User Name - you're not fooling anybody), are the norm around these forums. Dealing with you on a daily basis is as commonplace as taking out the trash.

Like so many monotonous chores in life, it's unpleasant, but ... it's gotta be done.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Deceived christians, like yourself (you really should just pick one User Name - you're not fooling anybody), are the norm around these forums. Dealing with you on a daily basis is as commonplace as taking out the trash.

Like so many monotonous chores in life, it's unpleasant, but ... it's gotta be done.

We are not deceived in thinking we are perfect, walking around pumping our chests like a pharisee..

But thanks for your response.

 

[GEN2REV]

We are not deceived in thinking we are perfect, walking around pumping our chests like a pharisee..

On the contrary, you and your little crew (facade) go around naysaying and ganging up on anybody who speaks against OSAS or Pre-Mil or your trinity god, or who desires to obey Scripture by keeping God's Word, the Commandments and, as True Christians are supposed to, following Christ's Way of keeping all 10.

You project the illusion of being the 'in-crowd' and belittling the little guy who humbly speaks up for God and the Truth of Scripture.

You are exactly like the Pharisees.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why would Jesus tell us that "the road to Salvation is narrow and few there be that find it" if all those who are called to that path and believe and profess Christianity are saved without any effort on their part?

The effort that the believer does not exert is the effort of EARNING one's justification as if it were a reward reckoned of debt instead of what it is, a reward reckoned of faith:

"4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4
​

So this isn't about a Christian not having to do any works. It's about a Christian not having to do works to make God indebted to them to declare them righteous.

 

[Titus]

Now we're getting to the bottom of the issues with you.

You are literally delusional if you believe you can tell people, online no less, what they do or do not do.I keep all of the 10 Commandments via the enabling power of the Holy Spirit. And James 3:2 has me covered when I slip up.

And I absolutely keep the Sabbath and have for close to a decade. Animal sacrifices, and all that other total nonsense you threw out, is not required to do so.No need, I keep all of it. Just as the Holy Spirit has the Commandments, that it kept fully throughout Christ's life, I have them written on my heart as we speak.

I'm sorry if you're not capable of keeping them. Sounds like you need to check your relationship with God and His Holy Spirit.

It's not a burden if you have His Spirit.

You'd better do some praying.

You Sir, are too ignorant of the OT law for Sabbath keeping to know how to keep the Sabbath.

The Jews had to make animal sacrifice on the Sabbath.
It is a direct command from God.
No jew would have kept the Sabbath if they failed to follow Gods laws!
You have created your own religion.

Numbers 28:1-31

-9 And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish and two tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering.
-10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.

You are ignorant of the law of keeping the Sabbath day!
You cannot possibly be keeping it.

You are not aware that burnt offerings were commanded by God for the Jews to be a part of the Sabbath.
Anyone today who claims to keep the Sabbath and does not follow Gods specific commandments on how to keep the Sabbath. Is fooling themselves into believing they are approved by God in their religious practices.
God would have put to death any jew that claimed to keep the Sabbath the way you "keep the Sabbath"!

 

[GEN2REV]

The effort that the believer does not exert is the effort of EARNING one's justification as if it were a reward reckoned of debt instead of what it is, a reward reckoned of faith:

"4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4
​

So this isn't about a Christian not having to do any works. It's about a Christian not having to do works to make God indebted to them to declare them righteous.

I don't think you addressed the "few there be that find it" part.

Does that sound like Salvation is given to all for free?

 

[mailmandan]

Exodus 31:12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does anywork on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why don't SDA’s seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? Maybe the Seventh day Adventist church? How about the Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations and the Church/the body of Christ is not under the law.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel under the old covenant (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.