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So only Israelites committed murder and adultery?
Classic straw man.
Well done.
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So only Israelites committed murder and adultery?
So what though? The law didn't make the 7th day holy. It's a holy day regardless of the law. Regardless of who God gave the law to. Regardless whether the Catholic Church abused, denigrated, ridiculed and burdened that day and murdered all Sabbath keepers, the 7th day is still, and always will be, holy. Regardless whether you 'rest in Christ', honor Sunday, Friday, or Wednesday, or every day, the 7th day is still the Sabbath and it is still holy. Sanctified. The Lord's day.Still, God only gave it to the Israelites. Right? Who before?
You know Backlit, I don't find the Law burdensome but it makes me wonder why people do. I don't have a burning desire to hit the cot with another mans woman; stealing doesn't interest me; going to war and killing is about as distasteful as putting broken glass up my backside....and so on. The only reason I can think of that would make it burdensome is if one has intentions of going contrary to it.So what though? The law didn't make the 7th day holy. It's a holy day regardless of the law. Regardless of who God gave the law to. Regardless whether the Catholic Church abused, denigrated, ridiculed and burdened that day and murdered all Sabbath keepers, the 7th day is still, and always will be, holy. Regardless whether you 'rest in Christ', honor Sunday, Friday, or Wednesday, or every day, the 7th day is still the Sabbath and it is still holy. Sanctified. The Lord's day.
And nowhere, not even by suggestion or hint, does scripture remotely or I'm the slightest ever state that the holiness of the 7th had been removed. Nor does scripture in the slightest suggest that the very law which affirmed that holiness to Israel, only applied the observance of such to Israel. Nor does scripture suggest in any way shape or form that the very law which affirms the holiness of the 7th day, the very law that affirms the authority of the God Who established that 7th day to which for 6000 years the week has born witness, has been removed as the base minimal standard of righteousness for all human beings on the planet.
Just Jewish? The Sabbath was never Jewish. God didn't give the Sabbath to the Jews as if the Sabbath was a new development or new concept... The Sabbath had been there all along, just everybody as far as we know, had forgotten it. So God decided to remind the world that hey guys, there a day I wanna talk to you about. It's my day. It's been around for a long time, and it's as important and as essential to holy living as honoring your parents. It's as important and essential to holy living as loving your neighbor as yourself. And it's as important and as essential to holy living as loving Me. By honoring My day, you honor Me. This day is holy. I've blessed it. I've set it aside to be a day in which you will find Me. I gave it to mana long time ago, but man has forgotten. I'd like man to remember. I'd like man to be blessed. I'd like man to come and meet Me, recognize My authority and mine only, to recognize Me as God, to recognize Me as Lord, and to glorify Me.
KJV Jeremiah 9:24
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD
KJV Isaiah 58:13-14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it
KJV Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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The whole scenario is illogical. The entire scriptures declare that the law is holy, just, and good. That the only ones who need to fear it are those who transgress it. And the only ones who have anything at all to gain by it's abrogation in this immediate existence, are those who are unwilling to obey it's Author. And as you so eloquently describe, the only ones attempting it's demise are not atheists, infidels, Islamists, the satanists, or those in secret societies or even the religious, all of whom are castigated for their behavior by the antinomians. No, it's professed Christians who as your so rightly state, consider themselves spiritually above and beyond those of a lesser estate who do seek to obey the laws dictates. Strange indeed are the deceptions and self delusions of men.You know Backlit, I don't find the Law burdensome but it makes me wonder why people do. I don't have a burning desire to hit the cot with another mans woman; stealing doesn't interest me; going to war and killing is about as distasteful as putting broken glass up my backside....and so on. The only reason I can think of that would make it burdensome is if one has intentions of going contrary to it.
I then ask myself, are there really that many folk who claim to want to fall in line with God and his values while at the same time making a big insistent song and dance on having it or it being scrapped.....it seems so! In fact I think it so strange and contrary to common sense I get tired of listening to the yada yada about living in some higher reality while I hear them pulling other brothers down. I'm sure God must weep watching these confused bumpkins thrashing around, unaware of the self harm they inflict.
Well, they only are written on their hearts IF they have the Holy Spirit. And many professed Christians, who even believe in Christ and what He's done, do not have the Holy Spirit.Unfortunately, not many Christians can relate to the laws being written on their hearts/conscience to empower them to not sin.
So only Israelites committed murder and adultery?
So what though? The law didn't make the 7th day holy. It's a holy day regardless of the law. Regardless of who God gave the law to. Regardless whether the Catholic Church abused, denigrated, ridiculed and burdened that day and murdered all Sabbath keepers, the 7th day is still, and always will be, holy. Regardless whether you 'rest in Christ', honor Sunday, Friday, or Wednesday, or every day, the 7th day is still the Sabbath and it is still holy. Sanctified. The Lord's day.
And nowhere, not even by suggestion or hint, does scripture remotely or I'm the slightest ever state that the holiness of the 7th had been removed. Nor does scripture in the slightest suggest that the very law which affirmed that holiness to Israel, only applied the observance of such to Israel. Nor does scripture suggest in any way shape or form that the very law which affirms the holiness of the 7th day, the very law that affirms the authority of the God Who established that 7th day to which for 6000 years the week has born witness, has been removed as the base minimal standard of righteousness for all human beings on the planet.
Just Jewish? The Sabbath was never Jewish. God didn't give the Sabbath to the Jews as if the Sabbath was a new development or new concept... The Sabbath had been there all along, just everybody as far as we know, had forgotten it. So God decided to remind the world that hey guys, there a day I wanna talk to you about. It's my day. It's been around for a long time, and it's as important and as essential to holy living as honoring your parents. It's as important and essential to holy living as loving your neighbor as yourself. And it's as important and as essential to holy living as loving Me. By honoring My day, you honor Me. This day is holy. I've blessed it. I've set it aside to be a day in which you will find Me. I gave it to mana long time ago, but man has forgotten. I'd like man to remember. I'd like man to be blessed. I'd like man to come and meet Me, recognize My authority and mine only, to recognize Me as God, to recognize Me as Lord, and to glorify Me.
KJV Jeremiah 9:24
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD
KJV Isaiah 58:13-14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it
KJV Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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Just so you and @BarnyFife know, I believe the Seventh-day Adventist denomination and Word of Faith denomination have more true Christians in them than any other. And both get more flack than any other too. LOL But both of you are fixated on one untruth, but a minor one. Yours is a physical day of the week, and WoF is physical prosperity, just the physical which will wither and die. But you do do the spiritual, but you fail to recognize the spiritual over the physical by believing you must stay under the letter of the law and keep the physical. That's up to you, and doesn't matter to me or to God. And you both have the most important thing right. Neither of you are soft on sin. That is the false doctrine subject where most other denominations are lax. And they believe they are saved even when they sin. Instead you both keep yourselves pure. 1 John 3:3; 1 John 5:18 Therefore, your physical beliefs are minor, and God will honor them, because you do and have faith in what you believe. And both of your major beliefs are right on and what saves us. Be holy for I am holy.So what though? The law didn't make the 7th day holy. It's a holy day regardless of the law. Regardless of who God gave the law to. Regardless whether the Catholic Church abused, denigrated, ridiculed and burdened that day and murdered all Sabbath keepers, the 7th day is still, and always will be, holy. Regardless whether you 'rest in Christ', honor Sunday, Friday, or Wednesday, or every day, the 7th day is still the Sabbath and it is still holy. Sanctified. The Lord's day.
And nowhere, not even by suggestion or hint, does scripture remotely or I'm the slightest ever state that the holiness of the 7th had been removed. Nor does scripture in the slightest suggest that the very law which affirmed that holiness to Israel, only applied the observance of such to Israel. Nor does scripture suggest in any way shape or form that the very law which affirms the holiness of the 7th day, the very law that affirms the authority of the God Who established that 7th day to which for 6000 years the week has born witness, has been removed as the base minimal standard of righteousness for all human beings on the planet.
Just Jewish? The Sabbath was never Jewish. God didn't give the Sabbath to the Jews as if the Sabbath was a new development or new concept... The Sabbath had been there all along, just everybody as far as we know, had forgotten it. So God decided to remind the world that hey guys, there a day I wanna talk to you about. It's my day. It's been around for a long time, and it's as important and as essential to holy living as honoring your parents. It's as important and essential to holy living as loving your neighbor as yourself. And it's as important and as essential to holy living as loving Me. By honoring My day, you honor Me. This day is holy. I've blessed it. I've set it aside to be a day in which you will find Me. I gave it to mana long time ago, but man has forgotten. I'd like man to remember. I'd like man to be blessed. I'd like man to come and meet Me, recognize My authority and mine only, to recognize Me as God, to recognize Me as Lord, and to glorify Me.
KJV Jeremiah 9:24
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD
KJV Isaiah 58:13-14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it
KJV Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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I think the how is more intriguing than the why. What makes things holy? How do they become holy? From the artifacts in the temple, to the temple itself... From the Sabbath to people. What makes them holy?Yes, God hallowed it, but do you know why? The WHY is what is important, not the day of the week. If you are fixated on the letter, you won't see God in it. It is WHO it represented, like all the other holy convocations of Leviticus 23, the Sabbath being the first.
That said... Why? That's easy. "KJV Exodus 25:8I think the how is more intriguing than the why. What makes things holy? How do they become holy? From the artifacts in the temple, to the temple itself... From the Sabbath to people. What makes them holy?
God's presence. That's why the Sabbath, the physical literal Sabbath, is so beautiful. God's literal presence is in it. Just as He's in us, His presence making us holy. Keeping it holy means cherishing His presence in the day as we meet with Him to worship and honor Him.
Some Christians are confused and so hung up on the Law, one would think they are Jews.The OT law APPLIED TO WHOM it was GIVEN and THEY WHO AGREED.
Are you a Hebrew? No?
...The Law was not given you.
Are you of ANY of the 12 Tribes of Israel? No?
...The Law was not given you.
Hebrews and Tribesmen were given the Law, AND Agreed to Obey the Law.
Jesus, A legal Jew of the House of David, FULFILLED the Mosaic Law.
So ALL the Hebrews and Tribesmen, WERE No longer Under the Law.
Oooh, but some Hebrews and Tribesmen, did not BELIEVE Jesus, and CHOSE to Continue under the Law...
No problem for their Choice, because Jesus did not destroy the Law, therefore they CAN continue under the Law...
(Tiny issue, since they have NO Temple for which to bring their “animal” sin offering, which is how they received their years forgiveness of sins).
No matter, they are planning to build a new Temple.
So why are you worrying about...THE LAW and THE LETTER of the LAW,
If the Law does not apply to you...why debate the law?
I think the how is more intriguing than the why. What makes things holy? How do they become holy? From the artifacts in the temple, to the temple itself... From the Sabbath to people. What makes them holy?
God's presence. That's why the Sabbath, the physical literal Sabbath, is so beautiful. God's literal presence is in it. Just as He's in us, His presence making us holy. Keeping it holy means cherishing His presence in the day as we meet with Him to worship and honor Him.
Just as He's in us, His presence making us holy.
BTW, WE are His sanctuary. Everything in the OT was a foreshadowing of the NT
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them." He is dwelling within me. And you. But you still don't know that?.
You think God was absent from His people on days other than the Sabbath? That He reserved His blessings to Israel for the Sabbath only? Surely you know better than that. The Sabbath is a day set over and above the other days. The rest of the week is still good. But the Sabbath is very good. We can know the presence of the lord at any time. But the Sabbath holds an explicit promise of blessing that only those who regularly honor the Sabbath can know.But it was only once a week.
You think God was absent from His people on days other than the Sabbath? That He reserved His blessings to Israel for the Sabbath only? Surely you know better than that. The Sabbath is a day set over and above the other days. The rest of the week is still good. But the Sabbath is very good. We can know the presence of the lord at any time. But the Sabbath holds an explicit promise of blessing that only those who regularly honor the Sabbath can know.
@1stCenturyLady Romans 8.9 says that 'if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His'.But it was only once a week. NOW He abides inside of us. That is the biggest difference between the Old and the New. The Lord of the Sabbath can now be inside of us, and we never sin. We don't need a commandment to not murder because the Lord of the Sabbath inside of us loves, and doesn't hate, the true source of murder. It is not a day, it is a Life.
BTW, WE are His sanctuary. Everything in the OT was a foreshadowing of the NT
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them." He is dwelling within me. And you. But you still don't know that.