Why Argue Against Doing the Law?

[David in NJ]

So they supercede that which were written on stone?

Because He said so....
KJV Genesis 2:3
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The fact that in Exodus 16 God said....3 months prior to Sinai...
KJV Exodus 16:23
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning....
Powerfully indicated the holiness of the day wasn't just for that first 7th day, but was a continuing nature of the day, regardless of who, where, and when people lived, and the law was granted to Israel as a reminder of that fact. Israel was to live that law as witnesses to the power and grace of the God they served in the face of wholesale idolatry everywhere else.
Times have changed, but human nature and God's purposes haven't. There is still wholesale idolatry and Christians are still called to be witnesses to God's power and grace through obedience to God's laws. And you are right. Those laws are now written on the fleshly tables of the heart rather than on stone... At least for those who are willing to accept them and believe. Christians today are only willing to accept 9 of them.

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Do you believe Blood washed Saints are to keep the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown sabbath rest?

 

[David in NJ]

The OT law APPLIED TO WHOM it was GIVEN and THEY WHO AGREED.

Are you a Hebrew? No?
...The Law was not given you.
Are you of ANY of the 12 Tribes of Israel? No?
...The Law was not given you.

Hebrews and Tribesmen were given the Law, AND Agreed to Obey the Law.

Jesus, A legal Jew of the House of David, FULFILLED the Mosaic Law.
So ALL the Hebrews and Tribesmen, WERE No longer Under the Law.
Oooh, but some Hebrews and Tribesmen, did not BELIEVE Jesus, and CHOSE to Continue under the Law...
No problem for their Choice, because Jesus did not destroy the Law, therefore they CAN continue under the Law...
(Tiny issue, since they have NO Temple for which to bring their “animal” sin offering, which is how they received their years forgiveness of sins).
No matter, they are planning to build a new Temple.

So why are you worrying about...THE LAW and THE LETTER of the LAW,
If the Law does not apply to you...why debate the law?

i cracked up when you said "tiny issue" = lolx100

 

[David in NJ]

I'm gonna need a flow chart for that one!

It reminds me of this:

"Crazy people don't know they are crazy, but I know I'm crazy, so I am not crazy! Isn't that crazy?"

You think that's crazy? let me tell you what crazy is, God said it's crazy to believe the Gospel but that HE likes it that way and the Apostle Paul said he was crazy for the Gospel and my wife thinks i'm crazy for telling you this, AND my son said: "i must be right because the 'crazies' are usually right"............crazy stuff huh................
but then it can get even more crazy after this...........beware the crazies

Oh, i forgot to mention they called JESUS crazy as well AND they said "HE has a demon" = that's crazy because those demons really didn't like HIM.

crazy stuff huh

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It's a good start, though.

Absolutely! But eventually, you will recognize your heart may not be in it, and you realize you need a new heart. I'm not talking about the Sabbath here, but hate, lust, coveting, selfishness, etc.

 

[Brakelite]

Well, the good news is I have stopped. He killed my passions over a year ago now.

There is no problem after that because if the inside of the cup is clean the outside is as well. There IS no law against the spirit. If He makes you law abiding inside, you have truly kept the law. And to murder according to the letter, you have to do so inwardly first. It is what comes out of you that defiles you. The law is spiritual and good. The words He gave us are spirit and truth.

I'm happy for you. Do you think it is possible for someone to kill me without any emotional or spiritual investment?

 

[Brakelite]

Do you believe Blood washed Saints are to keep the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown sabbath rest?

Yes.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.

Can you provide the NT Scripture that would declare this - thank you

 

[Brakelite]

. I'm not talking about the Sabbath

You don't think you need a new heart to keep the Sabbath? The Pharisees kept the Sabbath absolutely meticulously, yet Jesus had a major battle with them over that very thing. Why do you think that is?

 

[Brakelite]

Can you provide the NT Scripture that would declare this - thank you

Why specifically NT? Does not the OT have authority?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

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I'm happy for you. Do you think it is possible for someone to kill me without any emotional or spiritual investment?

Mmm…yes. Maybe in a time of war or unwittingly in a car wreck.

 

[BarneyFife]

Do you believe Blood washed Saints are to keep the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown sabbath rest?

I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't.

1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV: Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 14:12 KJV: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Psalm 30:4 KJV: Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.​

In what exactly do you think God's saints in Old Testament times were washed?

 

[Brakelite]

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Mmm…yes. Maybe in a time of war or unwittingly in a car wreck.

So this...And to murder according to the letter, you have to do so inwardly first.... Would seem to contradict that though wouldn't it?
I suggest that all sin, even the profaning of the Sabbath, is the fruit of an evil heart. Whether one consciously plans murder and is motivated through hate or lust or jealousy, the core issue is the heart. And that I see is the core issue with this thread, even with those who debate against the law conscientiously believing they are theologically correct... KJV Jeremiah 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I see that in the position to laws that reflect the character of God. The law is a refection of God righteousness. The Sabbath is an expression of authority over and love for man, yet the resistance against the Sabbath is not only unreasonable, but illogical. That resistance comes from the heart.... And only a fully renewed heart can change that. Which negates the false idea that the Sabbath is only observed through the letter of the law.

 

[BarneyFife]

Well, the good news is I have stopped. He killed my passions over a year ago now.

There is no problem after that because if the inside of the cup is clean the outside is as well. There IS no law against the spirit. If He makes you law abiding inside, you have truly kept the law. And to murder according to the letter, you have to do so inwardly first. It is what comes out of you that defiles you. The law is spiritual and good. The words He gave us are spirit and truth.

I don't think I want my passions taken away.

 

[quietthinker]

In what exactly do you think God's saints in Old Testament times were washed?

hmmmm, let me see.....if they'd of lived in America it would have been Coca Cola

 

[David in NJ]

Why specifically NT? Does not the OT have authority?

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it,
that person shall be cut off from among his people.
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord.
Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’
Exodus 31:12-17

You are under a death sentence if you do any work on the LORD'S Sabbath Rest.

 

[David in NJ]

I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't.

1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV: Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 14:12 KJV: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Psalm 30:4 KJV: Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.​

In what exactly do you think God's saints in Old Testament times were washed?

Please see post 95

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So this...And to murder according to the letter, you have to do so inwardly first.... Would seem to contradict that though wouldn't it?

God made a safe place for those who did not purposely cause someone’s death, so the family members would not murder them, because they did not mean to do it. He looks at the heart. And it is what issues from there that defiles a man. If the inside of the cup is clean the outside just will be as well.

 

[BarneyFife]

hmmmm, let me see.....if they'd of lived in America it would have been Coca Cola

I was thinking maybe hyssop or something, but your idea would be just as effective, I think.

 

[BarneyFife]

Please see post 95

Gee, I've never heard that argument before.

Please see a thousand previous replies to your argument.

 

[David in NJ]

Gee, I've never heard that argument before.

Please see a thousand previous replies to your argument.

Barny, i only stated this because it was directly to your question and i had just posted it so there was no malcontent in it whatsoever.

Have you ever worked on the Lord's Sabbath Rest?