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No, what you did is imply that, what the 144,000 are is the Jews who repent
and I state why God uses the numbers in a very detailed manner which makes Rev. 10 irrelevant anyway. We are all servants of Gid, but the 144,000 will be in a very different place, they need God's PROTECTION for 1260 days so they will be doing nothing for God purpose for those 1260 days, their purpose is to repopulate Israel, and to be the Kingdom Jesus was promised, the Kingdom Age he preached which was to come.
God uses numbers throughout the Old Testament, if you do not know this its on you,
I am way more advanced on Eschatology it seems than you are.
If you really try to say Gid doesn't use numbers
I can blow you out of the waters on that.
You have done a good job of hammering things into place that don't fit. First off, NONE OF THE SEALS ARE OPEN. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. The seals will not be open until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.No, the second coming is DESCRIBED IN THE 6TH SEAL. The second coming OCCURS AT THE 7TH TRUMP.
Mmmmm. They were sealed when they believed. Just are we are sealed when we believe.The bible doesn't say anything about that regarding the 144k. They are sealed before the Great Tribulation so they were saved Christians before the sealing.
The 144,000 do not have a purpose to repopulate Israel. God tells EXACTLY what their purpose is. We don't need to dream things up. They are the first fruits of the second harvest. First fruits are presented to God and when accepted there will be a harvest to follow. If the firstfruits are of the 12 tribes of Israel, the harvest will be of the twelve tribes of Israel.No, what you did is imply that, what the 144,000 are is the Jews who repent and I state why God uses the numbers in a very detailed manner which makes Rev. 10 irrelevant anyway. We are all servants of Gid, but the 144,000 will be in a very different place, they need God's PROTECTION for 1260 days so they will be doing nothing for God purpose for those 1260 days, their purpose is to repopulate Israel, and to be the Kingdom Jesus was promised, the Kingdom Age he preached which was to come.
The point constantly repeated over and over ad nauseum is a 7 year treaty, that exists nowhere in Scripture.
Coming out of great tribulation is all those martyred in the last 1992 years.
The tribulation of those days is the first 4 Seals being opened. The Second Coming is immediately after those days. Which means the opening of the first 4 Seals as Prince starts the 3.5 year countdown until the 7th Trumpet. The Seals are not a long drawn out process of the church age.
The 144k are on earth with Jesus and the angels during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. The 144k and Christ are only on Mt. Zion, if Satan is given 42 months. If no 42 months, then no waiting on Mt. Zion. The Millennium will start when the 7 Trumpet stops either way.
Matthew 25:31 has Jesus as Prince sitting on His throne in Jerusalem at the Second Coming. The 144k are always the camp of the saints. The ones overcome, who retreat in Revelation 13. The ones surrounded at the end of the 1,000 years in Revelation 20. They are the firstfruits redeemed between the 6th and 7th Seals being opened. They are the Millennium disciples, just like the original 12 were His disciples in the first century. They were OT redeemed, who started the NT church. The 144k are redeemed between the 6th and 7th Seal, but are the tribulation and Millennium saints as the firstfruits and disciples of Christ who will never physically die ever. When sealed, they receive their permanent incorruptible physical body, removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That is the literal point of symbolically being sealed.
The 5th Seal is symbolic of the whole church being glorified. The joining of the spirit around the physical body. The putting on of immortality as Paul describes at the Second Coming. This is the restoration of the full image of God as sons of God, soul, body, and spirit. The 5th and 6th Seal is John's version of the Second Coming written symbolically. Compared to Paul's version that is literal from an earthly perspective, John's view is symbolic from a heavenly perspective.
It says they come out of great tribulation, not The Great Tribulation. That is Matthew 24:9-14
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Thus study in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 goes along with study in Revelation about the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Vials.
The mostly Gentile Church will be raptured BEFORE the seals are opened. The pre 70th week rapture is the truth as the Lord promises we can escape ALL THE THINGS that occur in the 70th week of Daniel, starting with the beginning of sorrows.Looking at Revelation 7 again about those SEALED servants...
BOTH, the 144,000 seed of Israel, and... the "great multitude" (Gentiles), represent CHRIST'S CHURCH for the end.
IF... one tries to say the "great multitude" of Revelation 7:9 are RAPTURED prior to the "great tribulation", and the 144,000 of the seed of Israel only go through the trib, then that FALSE IDEA would DESTROY the makeup of Christ's Church! Because many lost ten tribe Israelites make up Christ's Church today! And not only ten tribe Israelites, because there are many Jewish converts to Christ's Church also today!
It would be like saying Israelite believers on Jesus are not WORTHY to be raptured along with believing Gentiles! That is how STUPID the false Pre-trib Rapture theory is! By saying the "great multitude" of Revelation 7:9 are the raptured Church prior to the great trib, that leaves out Israelite believers in Christ's Church.
You make a good point. However, if you understood, you would realize that the Church is raptured pretrib and the 12 tribes are raptured prewrath. Just as the word says. The fig tree has two harvests.Looking at Revelation 7 again about those SEALED servants...
It would be like saying Israelite believers on Jesus are not WORTHY to be raptured along with believing Gentiles! That is how STUPID the false Pre-trib Rapture theory is! By saying the "great multitude" of Revelation 7:9 are the raptured Church prior to the great trib, that leaves out Israelite believers in Christ's Church.
The mostly Gentile Church will be raptured BEFORE the seals are opened.
This is what you think, which has absolutely nothing to do with what the Word says. Yeah, mostly is telling....telling the truth. The 144,000 is also telling. They are the first fruits of the second harvest which occurs at the 6th seal.......just like the Word says. Blindness and ignorance to the truth is not going to change a thing.That is Absolutely FALSE, and I showed why in my previous posts.
And you're being careful to add that "mostly" adverb is TELLING!
For those who understand God's Word about His prophecy of how the ten scattered tribes of Israel would wind up, the MAJORITY OF THE HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH has been made up of SCATTERED ISRAELITES.
Mmmmm. They were sealed when they believed. Just are we are sealed when we believe.
I know that you think that the 144,000 are sealed to go through the great tribulation, but that is not the case. Due to the fact that you do not understand that when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord, the WRATH OF GOD IS OVER. Armageddon has happened and Jesus has set up His kingdom. What you see in Rev 14 occurs in the seals BEFORE the great tribulation. The great tribulation is the 5th seal. It is also found in Rev 14All 144k just happened to believe at the same exact moment? No. They were saved believers and God chooses to seal them to protect them during the Great Tribulation. It means they cannot be deceived, possibly also keeping them from being killed.
I know that you think that the 144,000 are sealed to go through the great tribulation, but that is not the case.
Now find where they preach anywhere, I challenge you, its not in the bible, the bible, if one reads, says they need to be PROTECTED !!No. I believe the 144,000 are 12,000 each of every tribe of Israel, who preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who go to Mt.Zion.
It is irrelevant to the TMELINE because it is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.Don’t agree Rev 10 is irrelevant.
What Scripture lead you to believe the 144,000’s purpose is to repopulate Israel?
Yes, 12 = Fulness, and 10= Completeness. You don't really think God just chooses 144,000 men do you? He speaking in terms just like Jesus did via the 10 Virgin Brides which = 2 Billion people, of which only 1 billion or so make the Rapture/Wedding, the other 5 (1 billion) will be shut out.Already mentioned the 12 TWELVE Tribes of Israel....pretty sure 12 is a number, and revealed in the OT.
You want me to lie?Hope you didn’t dislocate your shoulder with that self kudos back pat.
So, why not get on the ball and understand what God is revealing NOW brother, instead of relying on old info that was taken in by people before God was ready to reveal His end time understandings?Already revealed God did use numbers, and never said He didn’t.