Walking in love?

[Robbie]

You probably already felt this way but I just had to make sure...

Basically just making sure that I don't receive any glory for being smart about the bible because without Him I could read the bible all day and never hear or see anything... it just made me feel kind of uncomfortable when you said thank you for my understanding and that I could explain it better... because if there's one thing I've come to realize it's that without Christ I know nothing... so I wanted to make sure the glory for the understanding was given to Christ... as I honestly had never even thought about that before... it was just given to me... and how can I take credit for what's given to me? so I just like to be careful of my ego... and to make sure I don't take any glory that belongs to Jesus... because any understanding or revelation that is truth is from Him... and He deserves all the Glory... because it's only by His Power... it's only by His understanding that we can understand... and when we're gathered in His name... He's in the midst of us... and no matter who what revelation comes from if it's true it's from Him...

I'm sure you already understand that principle... but I need to keep myself accountable... or else I could end up thinking more highly of myself than I ought to...

Hope that makes sense Prentis... Much Love!!!

Wow Ducky... now you're calling the Holy Spirit, "some unknown spirit"?

You should really be careful Ducky... you know what Jesus said to those that insulted the Spirit that was in Him?

You need to realize that when you're insulting the Spirit that's in us you're insulting that same Spirit...

Be careful...

 

[Duckybill]

Wow Ducky... now you're calling the Holy Spirit, "some unknown spirit"?

You should really be careful Ducky... you know what Jesus said to those that insulted the Spirit that was in Him?

You need to realize that when you're insulting the Spirit that's in us you're insulting that same Spirit...

Be careful...

You have no proof that you are guided by the Holy Spirit unless you judge what the spirit says by God's written Word. Satan/demons can and does also guide people under the guise of the Spirit of God.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

In no way did I speak against the Holy Spirit.

 

[rockytopva]

Prentis.... Agreed... I have also noticed people who quit posting here after the heated exchanges...

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. - John 13:35

And if I may repost a quote...

Love wol nat been constreyned by maistrye;
Whan maistrie comth, the God of Love anon
Beteth hise wynges, and farewel, he is gon!
Love is a thyng as any spirit free. - Chaucer

For many in Christianty, after seeking the mastery, are not aware that they have been forsaken by the Holy Spirit along the way.

 

[Prentis]

Yes. I absolutely agree, Robbie. The Lord is the one who opens our understanding. Of our own we can do nothing!

All glory and praise be to Him, the one and only teacher!

Much love to you also...

Rockytopva: I agree. I have noticed on many sites that the meak and quieter ones will leave when things are not done in love. It is sad as these are really brothers and sisters.

 

[Robbie]

Yes Ducky... you said that His Spirit that we're testifying to, that Christ testified to, the One that lives in and teaches those who believe... and that Jesus said would be in His and would teach His is just some, "unknown spirit" because the concept of knowing God through His Spirit isn't in agreement with your religion... but it is in agreement with Christ... and by insulting the Spirit in us you are insulting the Holy Spirit... by doing so you are following the same pattern as the Pharisees who also rejected Christ and His Holy Spirit because He disagreed with their religion and their mistaken carnal minded interpretation of scripture. I encourage you to stop... out of sincere love... for your own good.

 

[Duckybill]

Yes Ducky... you said that His Spirit that we're testifying to, that Christ testified to, the One that lives in and teaches those who believe... and that Jesus said would be in His and would teach His is just some, "unknown spirit" because the concept of knowing God through His Spirit isn't in agreement with your religion... but it is in agreement with Christ... and by insulting the Spirit in us you are insulting the Holy Spirit... by doing so you are following the same pattern as the Pharisees who also rejected Christ and His Holy Spirit because He disagreed with their religion and their mistaken carnal minded interpretation of scripture. I encourage you to stop... out of sincere love... for your own good.

Why is it that you folks who attack the Bible are so quick to cite it when it's convenient? How do you know you are led by the Holy Spirit and not Satan? Anyone not guided by God's written Word is guided by Satan.

 

[Prentis]

The Pharisee were avid studiers of the scriptures and claimed to follow it. Yet Jesus called them sons of the devil.

How do you know you are not led of the Devil?

 

[Duckybill]

The Pharisee were avid studiers of the scriptures and claimed to follow it. Yet Jesus called them sons of the devil.

So you're saying"studiers of the scriptures" are "sons of the devil"?

How do you know you are not led of the Devil?

Because I go by the Scriptures above all else, not some unknown spirit. How do you know that you're not led by Satan?

 

[THE Gypsy]

So you're saying"studiers of the scriptures" are "sons of the devil"?

Ducky, dear...That's not at all what he said.

Because I go by the Scriptures above all else, not some unknown spirit. How do you know that you're not led by Satan?

"Unknown spirit"? If the Spirit is "unknown" how do YOU know "you're not being led by Satan"? (Please note, I am not trying to be facetious here. I'm genuinely curious.)

 

[Prentis]

So you're saying"studiers of the scriptures" are "sons of the devil"?

No, some studiers of scripture, the Pharisees being an example. I'm telling you that JESUS says some students of scripture are sons of the devil.

Because I go by the Scriptures above all else, not some unknown spirit. How do you know that you're not led by Satan?

The scriptures themselves tell you they cannot be interpreted by man, but only by the Spirit. As for myself, I know the Lord has done some things, as he has shown me. I also know the devil has deceived me before, and works at doing it again, as he does to the whole world. I know that the Lord is leading me because he has confirmed it to me by his Spirit, through the word, through some brothers, and through his life in me. I know that if I keep my eyes on the Lord, he will preserve me. I also know that if I take them off of him, I'm in grave danger. Thus I strive to enter, knowing that the way is narrow. My hope is in Christ and in his strength.

 

[Duckybill]

The scriptures themselves tell you they cannot be interpreted by man, but only by the Spirit. As for myself, I know the Lord has done some things, as he has shown me. I also know the devil has deceived me before, and works at doing it again, as he does to the whole world. I know that the Lord is leading me because he has confirmed it to me by his Spirit, through the word, through some brothers, and through his life in me. I know that if I keep my eyes on the Lord, he will preserve me. I also know that if I take them off of him, I'm in grave danger. Thus I strive to enter, knowing that the way is narrow. My hope is in Christ and in his strength.

Do you agree with Robbie that the Bible has many contradictions?

 

[Prentis]

Yes. Truth is a paradox. There is always tension.

Thus the Calvinist and the Arminian can argue forever quoting scripture and never come to agree.

That is what happens with human understanding.

On the other hand, when the Spirit opens our eyes, everything works together perfectly. The tension is still real, but we see how they come together to be the truth.

 

[Duckybill]

Yes. Truth is a paradox. There is always tension.

Thus the Calvinist and the Arminian can argue forever quoting scripture and never come to agree.

That is what happens with human understanding.

On the other hand, when the Spirit opens our eyes, everything works together perfectly. The tension is still real, but we see how they come together to be the truth.

No wonder you have such a low view of the Bible.

 

[Prentis]

No wonder you have such a low view of the Bible.

I do not have a low view of the Bible, it is the most wonderful collection of books that the Lord can use.

I am only guilty of having a high view of Christ, and his Spirit. He is first and foremost! He is God! And only through him can we understand his mysteries!

 

[Duckybill]

I do not have a low view of the Bible, it is the most wonderful collection of books that the Lord can use.

I am only guilty of having a high view of Christ, and his Spirit. He is first and foremost! He is God! And only through him can we understand his mysteries!

You just stated that the Bible has many contradictions.

 

[THE Gypsy]

You just stated that the Bible has many contradictions.

Where. I missed it.

 

[Groundzero]

I'm not sure what your point is. God drowned everyone on earth but 8 making them an example. Where was His love?

His love was evident in that when Noah went on board the ark, it remained that way for a WHOLE week! And before that, for one hundred years, Noah was preaching! What more could God do?

The bottom line is: Love demands judgement. Ultimately, if man spurns God's love long enough, he will be judged by the same God who tried to save him. Our choice.

Yes. Truth is a paradox. There is always tension.

Thus the Calvinist and the Arminian can argue forever quoting scripture and never come to agree.

That is what happens with human understanding.

On the other hand, when the Spirit opens our eyes, everything works together perfectly. The tension is still real, but we see how they come together to be the truth.

Don't agree. Truth is what God says.

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[Prentis]

Don't agree. Truth is what God says.

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I didn't disagree with that. Truth is indeed what God says. Only it IS contradictory.

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Direct contradiction, right there.

Which one do you follow, if you want to follow the Bible?

You wont know which one unless the Spirit is leading you.

 

[THE Gypsy]

His love was evident in that when Noah went on board the ark, it remained that way for a WHOLE week! And before that, for one hundred years, Noah was preaching! What more could God do?

The bottom line is: Love demands judgement. Ultimately, if man spurns God's love long enough, he will be judged by the same God who tried to save him. Our choice.



Don't agree. Truth is what God says.

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Correct me if I'm wrong...But is seems like you're talking about an "absolute truth" (which would be God) while Prentis seems to be talking about a "relative truth" (Thus his comment on how people "can argue forever quoting scripture and never come to agree").

 

[Groundzero]

Correct me if I'm wrong...But is seems like you're talking about an "absolute truth" (which would be God) while Prentis seems to be talking about a "relative truth" (Thus his comment on how people "can argue forever quoting scripture and never come to agree").

Seems like you just hit the nail on the head.