quietthinker
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destroying death itself ought to give perspective.sounds like fascism to me tbh
…after He has destroyed all rulers, powers, and authority
seems to suggest a different scenario maybe
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destroying death itself ought to give perspective.sounds like fascism to me tbh
…after He has destroyed all rulers, powers, and authority
seems to suggest a different scenario maybe
I'm still not following.I somehow thought we were on the same page on this subject. My mistake. Sometimes I assume, without really thinking, that most Sabbath-keepers think alike.
The perspective I have is that of God countering the misrepresentation of himself Lucifer spread throughout the Universe.we sure think we can, huh?
but how easy is it to misjudge a situation, especially if we are only bystanders?
things have to have a point?
Not a thingI'm still not following.
What does the Sabbath have to do with people being doomed to destruction?
By sinning unto death without repenting and obeying the gospel instead.In another thread I asked @stunnedbygrace this question but did not get a response. If you do not believe there are people doomed to destruction, how do you deal with the Pharaoh of the Exodus and with Judas?
So do you believe all people have an equal opportunity to be saved and are only condemned by their choices?Not a thing
so, when i hear "i loves me some Jesus" i mean it's cute. but imo completely from Esau; following Christ can be a real pain, in the moment. So my guess is that is what this passage is trying to relate. I say this bc "earth" and not "world" like one might think, but i gotta check the greek...ya, ge, and "mourn" might better be xlated "wail," maybe, as in "moan and complain" (mine)
im def inclined to agree, but then why Jesus whipping "animals" out of the courtyard? iow that would necessarily suggest a more spiritual interp there i guessThe perspective I have is that of God countering the misrepresentation of himself Lucifer spread throughout the Universe.
It appears a third of the angels were persuaded Lucifer had a just cause. That's a mystery in itself.
Lucifer is in a certain hurry.....he ultimately pushes his driving ambition through proactively terminating life. God on the other hand nurtures life....he heals, he absorbs evil, long-suffering means he never gives up.
These two opposing forces are on display for all intelligent beings to observe and decide. Trickery is not in Gods arsenal, neither is force or coercion in any form.
The authoritative crack of a whip is probably necessary to move large animals languishing in the heat of the day. I doubt Jesus used it on the animals or the people.im def inclined to agree, but then why Jesus whipping "animals" out of the courtyard? iow that would necessarily suggest a more spiritual interp there i guess
I believe what the Bible says about how a person can be saved.So do you believe all people have an equal opportunity to be saved and are only condemned by their choices?
Not me, friend.and now we have superimposed that itch onto God by declaring on the Bible that God will fry the opposition.....and that for eternity!
You and I have disagreed about this before.The authoritative crack of a whip is probably necessary to move large animals languishing in the heat of the day. I doubt Jesus used it on the animals or the people.
The mention of getting the doves out of there to their handlers says he didn't go in like a bull in a china shop.
We have this tendency as humans to find something about violent revenge attractive. We can see this principle in the many movies produced. We itch to pay back the opposition with the worst we can imagine.......and now we have superimposed that itch onto God by declaring on the Bible that God will fry the opposition.....and that for eternity!
Have we not adopted, nay, absorbed the very spirit of the enemy in this travesty?
This mixed up statement speaks volumes about how you see God.Jesus, like His Father, hates sinners, He hates wickedness and He hates LIES; especially those about Him.
All 100% supported by Scripture.This mixed up statement speaks volumes about how you see God.
That's not what it says.I believe what the Bible says about how a person can be saved.
The Pharisees argued along the same lines!All 100% supported by Scripture.
The Pharisees of today preach that God is all love and forgiveness.The Pharisees argued along the same lines!
But do you believe there are people destined for destruction?Choices can lead to our demise.
God is the life giver, and the life taker.
Thankfully we are alive and breathing today.
Job 1:21 and he says, “I came forth naked from the womb of my mother, || And naked I return there. YHWH has given and YHWH has taken; Let the Name of YHWH be blessed.”
Naked came: Gen 3:19; Psa 49:17; Ecc 5:15, Ecc 12:7; 1Ti 6:7
the Lord gave: Job 2:10; Gen 30:2; Ecc 5:19; Lam 3:38; Jas 1:17
taken away: Gen 45:5; 2Sa 16:12; 1Ki 12:15; Psa 39:9; Isa 42:24, Isa 45:7; Amo 3:6; Mat 20:15; Act 4:28
blessed: Job 1:11; 1Sa 3:18; 2Ki 20:19; Psa 34:1, Psa 89:38-52; Isa 24:15; Eph 5:20; 1Th 5:18
Uh...That's not what it says.