Once Saved, Always Saved?
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Ferris Bueller
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The word of God is free to all who will receive it. Take it or leave it, BB.
You have “ Added” to the Gospel Of Faith Plus Nothing Found In 1Cor15:1-4.....Its an example of a “ False” and “ Perverted” Gospel That appeals to the “ itching ears” of all of those trying to be a “ Co- Savior” ......Salvation is “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”.....Nothing. Paul never says in his Gospel That one MUST make Jesus “ The Lord Of your Life”.......Most Born - Again Christians will see the Wisdom Of this move and apply it in their lives—— they don’t HAVE to —- it’s NOT a Condition Of Salvation....
Not that what you claim for me has any basis in Scripture, but I’d rather have my Works burned like wood, hay and stubble on Judgement Day than find myself “ Accursed” or Damned because I Taught a False Gospel......You are in a lot more trouble than you realize....I’ say it again for the thousandth time.....the song really DOES have it Right.....how many of you guys sang it like Hypocrites this morning? It really * IS* “ Nothing But The Blood” when it comes to Salvation......you STILL confuse Salvation with Sanctification....You still got too much of that Methodist Mush In your head.....You get 99% of things correct....work on that 1% ......” a miss is as good as a mile” .......
I took that Word as it was intended —— Faith in Jesus Plus Nothing —( exemplified by Paul’s Gospel , given to him by Jesus) .....YOU are the one that ADDED to that Gospel and “ fell from Grace” ——- And THAT is if you are Lucky—- You don’t just Believe a False Gospel.....you TEACH it ! That puts you in jeopardy of being “ Accursed” —- Not Me.....
I am all in favor of you to “ stop torturing yourself”......your exit would Be welcomed ——
You AND your “ False and Perverted” Gospel .....
Ferris Bueller
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Your number one problem is you don't listen. Works are the SIGN of salvation, not the procurer of salvation. Works SHOW that you really are relying on nothing but the blood for justification/salvation. No evidence of salvation means there is no salvation present to produce that evidence. Anybody can say Jesus is Lord, but only in the truly saved is Jesus Lord. That's why the obedience of Jesus' Lordship is the evidence that you are really saved. Lip service counts for nothing.
"‘This people honors Me with the lips, but their heart is kept far away from Me." Matthew 15:8
And why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? ...the one having heard and not having done is like to a man having built a house on the ground without a foundation, on which the stream burst, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:46-49
And why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? ...the one having heard and not having done is like to a man having built a house on the ground without a foundation, on which the stream burst, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:46-49
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Ferris Bueller
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...produces something. That something being the things that accompany salvation (Hebrews 6:9). That's the word of God you are denying.
Michiah-Imla
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All Hot air and no unmolested scripture.
How can you believe a doctrine that requires so much nullification of the word of God? So much “explaining” to be done?
I just got done reading the whole Bible in 74 days. You are in no position to exalt yourself over me sir.
In the last year (even during my illness with coronavirus and pneumonia) I read the Bible 4 times!
Once Saved Always Saved is such a joke that I am convinced that adherents to this repugnant doctrine don’t do much Bible reading anymore. They are turned over to their assumptions. Their flesh runs free reign in their lives.
Thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of Christ, through breaking his commandments dishonourest thou Him? For the name of Christ is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you!
First, we must define what "under the Law" means. Under the Law means subject to the curse that comes from disobedience. Jesus redeemed me from the curse of the Law. Therefore, I am not under it. I am under grace. That grace is what empowers me obey. Titus 2:11-12. It is NOT a license to decide for one's self what sin is. The Law defines sin. 1 John 3:4. The Law is the instructions in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:15-17. If a person wants to walk in a manner that pleases the Father, the Law is the instructions. And, if I screw up, or do it wrong, YHVH's grace instructs me on how to improve.
The Law is God's instructions regarding HOW he is to be worshiped and how people should treat each other. That is why loving God and loving people are the two principles on which the Law hangs. Proverbs says it is a light and admonition for correction. The Law makes us wiser than our enemies. Paul delights in the law after the inward man.
A commentary on Romans 6:14 would require the next 2 verses. "If I am not under the Law should I feel free to sin? God forbid! I know that the religious system I obey determines who my master truly is. I can be a servant of sin and die. Or I can be a servant of righteousness through obedience." Obedience tells everyone who sees us who our Master is.
The Law prevents us from doing what God hates. It gives us the instructions for our religious observances and activities so that we do NOT do the abominations that the heathens do. YHVH says that doing what the heathens do to honor their gods and doing to YHVH is an abomination. Erecting trees as a religious ritual is an abomination. Performing the rituals associated with pagan gods is an abomination.
I used to be just like you. Then, I actually started reading the Bible. That's when I discovered that virtually everything I had been taught for 25+ years was nonsense. Everything we are taught is a reverse-engineered perversion of Scripture in an effort to justify willful disobedience to God's Law and submission to the authority of the Roman sun god system. That is the religion they inherited from Babylon. We inherited it from Rome. God HATES it. In Revelation 18, the voice from heaven is telling GOD'S people to come out of Babylon!
What is truth? 119:142
Galatians 3 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?"
Jesus was not born on December 25 and He did not rise on Easter morning. Yet, these are observed as memorials to those events. Would it not be more pleasing to our Father if we observed what HE gave us as prophetic shadows of his Messiah? THEY are what Jesus fulfilled!
Exodus 12:3, the selection of the Passover Lamb, fulfilled by Matthew 21:9.
Leviticus 23:5-6, the rehearsal of the events of Exodus 12, fulfilled by the crucifixion and that fulfillment confirmed by 1 Corinthians 5:7.
Jesus is the Passover Lamb, not the Easter ham!
Leviticus 23:10 fulfilled by Matthew 27:52.
Leviticus 23:11-12 described in John 20:17
The High Priest offers the first fruits offering. The saints that rose from the graves that day were the first fruits. Jesus is the high Priest of the order of Melki-Tzedek that presented the first fruits to the Father in heaven, then returned to spend 40 days with His disciples.
Leviticus 23:16 is the Day the Holy Spirit is poured out.
That suggests "following the Spirit" in NOT "follow whatever comes to mind."
Without a Law to fulfill, any impostor would have just as legitimate a claim as Jesus.
It must be noted that "613 laws" is just a number game Pharisees play. If you listed 613 laws, you would have several duplicates. That being said, about half of them only apply to priests. The US has about a million laws that apply to me, so 613 looks easy.
Nothing Jesus, or any other NT writer said, was contrary to obedience to the Law. We know the Law doesn't save us. It is the instructions for the people who are already saved. Obedience has many benefits. Just do a word study about obedience in the NT. I think you will be surprised at what you find.
This is already too long, so I'll dig into more as we go.
Just realize that I am not condemning anyone. I am only hoping to show people how to escape the world's system.
Jeremiah 16:19
That's just Christianese blather.
It is a shadow of the 1,000 year reign of Messiah and His followers on the earth before the rest of the dead are resurrected.
2 Peter 3:8, Revelation 20:1-7
That is complete nonsense.
"Them" is not the covenant.
The fault lies in the earthly priests who had to atone for their own sins as well as those of the people. If you think that God makes "faulty covenants," then your God is not nearly as smart as mine.
The word "covenant" in verse 7 does not exist. The KJV has it in italics, which is their way of saying "we added this word." They added a word that suited their agenda.
From Hebrews 6:20 through Hebrews 8:8 it is talking about the Aaronic priesthood being replaced by the priesthood of Melki-Tzedek.
This is unproductive and accomplishes NOTHING !
When we discuss doctrine and think of it being the highest form,or only way then we push God to the side. Your doctrine becomes your idol.
In the end NOTHING but life and salvation are gifted to us. It is the process of sanctification by the sword of the word and the Holy Spirit that makes us set apart or holy for God.
Traditions and rituals do not accomplish anything. Obedience is better than sacrifice says the word. In obeying what the Spirit reveals to us in the word we are laying aside the SINS THAT SO EASILY BESET US !.
We ARE pressing toward the MARK......not made it yet but neither are we stopping pressing in to be made in Christ's image.
We SHOULD be pressing together,not acting selfish as if I am the only one. The word tells us to pull FROM THE FIRE,hating even the stench of smoke that clings to the garment.
Are we ? Let's examine OURSELVES !
When we discuss doctrine and think of it being the highest form,or only way then we push God to the side. Your doctrine becomes your idol.
In the end NOTHING but life and salvation are gifted to us. It is the process of sanctification by the sword of the word and the Holy Spirit that makes us set apart or holy for God.
Traditions and rituals do not accomplish anything. Obedience is better than sacrifice says the word. In obeying what the Spirit reveals to us in the word we are laying aside the SINS THAT SO EASILY BESET US !.
We ARE pressing toward the MARK......not made it yet but neither are we stopping pressing in to be made in Christ's image.
We SHOULD be pressing together,not acting selfish as if I am the only one. The word tells us to pull FROM THE FIRE,hating even the stench of smoke that clings to the garment.
Are we ? Let's examine OURSELVES !
The word "baptism" means to "wash" that is "wash our sins away" and only Jesus can perform that. We can wash ourselves with water one hundred times a day and it will NEVER bring us closer to salvation. It will only wash away the filth in our bodies
It is the "washing of regeneration" and the "renewing of the Holy Ghost" that saves us. Titus 3:5
Majority of so called "Christians" do not know how to read Scripture! The true Gospel does NOT teach that you must "accept" the Lord Jesus to become saved!!! Confirmed by Romans 3:10-11.
The phrase, "that is, eight souls were saved by water" in 1 Peter 3:20 should properly read, "that is, eight souls were saved by the flood" Now it changes the true perspective if "water" is no longer in view, doesn't it?
Another example, the term "the like figure" in 1 Peter 3:21 means it is only a "shadow" equating the reality that is, eight souls were saved by water, with "baptism" [the washing away of sins].
To God Be The Glory
One can read the Bible a thousand times....it means NOTHING unless the Holy Spirit has given you “ Eyes to See”......a thing that you clearly lack.....I’m sure that countless Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses and Legalistic Religionists Have read the Bible many times —- and look what “ they” Took from it.....quit bragging about you Bible-Reading Frequency .....it means NOTHING.....a person that reads it ONCE with “ eyes to see” has you licked from the outset....”They See, But they Don’t see”—- did you happen to run across that” verse while you were Speed - Reading Holy Scripture ? I’m sure God was impressed with your ability to read fast....
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Show me the Baptist church in the new testament?
I will become a Baptist immediately!
I only read of one church in the new testament, Matthew 16:18-19.
That church wears the name of Christ, Romans 16:16.
Why does your church wear the name of a man?
There are about 55 sects of different Baptist churches in the United states alone.
Which one is Jesus' church?
Answer the first question and I will become a Baptist.
Last question, Can I be saved outside of your Baptist church?
Must I be in your church to be saved?
Michiah-Imla
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Do you eat ONE meal in your life?
“It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)
“And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them” (Deuteronomy 17:19)
“Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine... Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (1 Timothy 4:13-16)
Don’t compare me to your heretical brothers. You and them have placed your false doctrines over the Bible!
I place nothing but my pure eyes and spiritual mind on the Bible to be filled there with!
You need a good washing by the word with repeat cycles.
Do you wash you clothes ONCE??
“sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,” (Ephesians 5:26)
If water immersion is going to be used for forgiveness of sins as some teach. it is because they have NEVER read Ezekiel 36:25.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Agreed!
09) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
10) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Did you know that belief/faith is a work gospel?
To God Be The Glory
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You should stop running from the new testament Greek.
Colossians 2:12,
buried with him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
The word baptism in this verse is baptizo.
That Greek word is only used for water immersion.
I challenge you to write, to Greek scholars and ask what baptism is Colossians 2:12.
Thayer teaches it is water immersion.
In water baptism is where God works His power to saves us.
Water immersion is spiritual baptism.
Acts 22:16,
And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul believes water immersion is spiritual baptism.
It is when and where His sins were washed away.
Ezekial 36:25 is not immersion.
You do not know the difference between sprinkling and immersion.
You went to old testament to teach the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.
Where did Jesus teach in His gospel includes sprinkling water for salvation?
Matthew 22:29,
-Jesus answered and said to them, you do error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.
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