Once Saved, Always Saved?

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Once Saved, Always Saved?

Yes.

Not a mystery.

Salvation is A GIFT Offering From God….
T0: Bodily Alive human beings.

ANY Bodily Alive human being CAN “Accept” or “Reject” Gods Gift OFFERING.

ANY Bodily ALIVE human being,
WHO “ACCEPTS” Gods Offering…->->->

RECEIVES THEIR GIFT…
***AFTER a Bodily DEATH***

ONCE a mans Body IS DEAD…and his SOUL “Saved”… his NAME (identity) “IS” recorded IN: A Heavenly BOOK of Gods EVIDENCE…
Called…the Book of Life OF the Lamb…
Rev 13:8).

In Heaven… IS Gods Books of Evidence.
Gods Book of Life… (Rev 17:8)
This Book HAS every Name (identity) of Every Single Human Ever having Existed.

All ManKind of beings Recorded IN This Book, ARE “subject TO having THEIR Name BLOTTED OUT.”

The Lamb of God…Has Express Power and Authority to Take Away Sin, effecting the Salvation of Souls of manKind.
John 1:29
John 1:33

A mans Name (identity) Entered Into the Book of Life of the Lamb…
Shall Never have their Name …
Blotted Out Of the Lambs Book of Life…
Shall Never have their Name …
Blotted Out OF Gods Book of Life.
Rev 3:5

Once a mans body IS Dead and his Soul “IS” Saved…That Salvation Given “IS” “Never Revoked”…

To Reject Belief of Gods Receipt of Salvation (IS Permanent…)
Is to Reject Gods Power Dwelling IN a man… (is Faulty, Insufficient, Too weak…)
To KEEP that man Saved Forever.

Reminder…
A Saved man, Has Gods Power … IN them!

Reminder…
1 John 1:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Once Saved, Always Saved?

Yes.

Not a mystery.

Right.

Salvation is A GIFT Offering From God…. T0: Bodily Alive human beings. ANY Bodily Alive human being CAN “Accept” or “Reject” Gods Gift OFFERING.

Well, right, but only a few will accept. You're talking about the general call of the Gospel, which, yes, is offered... goes out to... all. Yes, but regarding the few... God only calls ~ inwardly, by His Spirit ~ those few. And these, who are then born again of the Spirit, thus receiving this new spirit from God, then do not fail to accept, not because someone "made them do it," but because, having this new spirit in them, they are irresistibly compelled, even in and of themselves, to accept, and they freely do.

ANY Bodily ALIVE human being,
WHO “ACCEPTS” Gods Offering…->->->

RECEIVES THEIR GIFT…
***AFTER a Bodily DEATH***

Hm. Well, if you mean in full, then yes. But they receive that gift ~ eternal life ~ at the time of their calling and being born again. For those of us in Christ, there is a sense in which we have been saved and at the same time are being saved. God "has begun a good work in us" ~ we have been saved ~ and "will bring it to completion at the day of Christ" ~ we are being saved (Philippians 1:6). All this is through the faith that God has given us, His "assurance of things hoped for, the conviction (by the Spirit, Who convicts) of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1).

A mans Name (identity) Entered Into the Book of Life of the Lamb…
Shall Never have their Name …
Blotted Out Of the Lambs Book of Life…
Shall Never have their Name …
Blotted Out OF Gods Book of Life.
Rev 3:5

Right.

Once a mans body IS Dead and his Soul “IS” Saved…That Salvation Given “IS” “Never Revoked”…

This is true of all born-again Christians, even while still alive. "The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). Again, for those of us who are born again, even now, it is a reality, but being brought to completion, which an absolute certainty.

To Reject Belief of Gods Receipt of Salvation (IS Permanent…)

Well, if the rejection remains, yes. But people can change their minds, right? <smile> But that depends on... a change of heart... <smile> ...which can only happen if one is born again of the Spirit. <smile>

Glory to God

Indeed.

Grace and peace to you, Taken.

 

[Taken]

Right.


Well, right, but only a few will accept. You're talking about the general call of the Gospel, which, yes, is offered...

Salvation is An Already Paid For Gift Offering, to Have, a person must Reach out and TAKE.

(It has a similitude to the Tree of Life, in the Garden of Eden Offered to Adam to Freely reach out and TAKE… He Didn’t.

Yes, but regarding the few... God only calls ~ inwardly, by His Spirit ~ those few.

God - via His “Lord, Son, intercessor … Word JESUS and Power CHRIST… Offering of Salvation IS “TO” Sinners and “Received BY” Forgiven “Believers”… After…
Their Bodily Death.

Rom 5:
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Bodily mortal Life IS BLOOD.
Bodily Death Required…
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Bodily Death Required Before Salvation / Rebirth.
1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Crucified with Christ… Christ Jesus Saves.
That man remaining mortally Alive, LIVES IN Christ Jesus Risen Body…ie IN Christ.
1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Even bodily mortal Death (OT) and during the Great Trib…God shall Save, they who (have unConfessed or come to Belief in God and Jesus lived, died, rose back to Life.
1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

In Christ…Rapture, before Trib.
Rom 5:
[9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And these, who are then born again of the Spirit, thus receiving this new spirit from God, then do not fail to accept, not because someone "made them do it," but because, having this new spirit in them, they are irresistibly compelled, even in and of themselves, to accept, and they freely do.

They who:
ARE Forgiven
ARE soul Sav-ED
ARE spirit Quicken-ED (born AGAIN)
….
DID NOT accepting the Gift Offering… by their Carnal Minds Thoughts…
Rather their Hearts (truth ie. Natural spirits ) thoughts AND confession of THAT Source.
…
IT IS NOT “the mans power” that keeps them “IN Belief”…
It IS Expressly Gods Power (Christ) IN them, that keeps them IN Belief…
** Regardless of the demons and anti-Christs influences that plague THIS World
1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Hm. Well, if you mean in full, then yes. But they receive that gift ~ eternal life ~ at the time of their calling and being born again. For those of us in Christ, there is a sense in which we have been saved and at the same time are being saved. God "has begun a good work in us" ~ we have been saved ~ and "will bring it to completion at the day of Christ" ~ we are being saved (Philippians 1:6). All this is through the faith that God has given us, His "assurance of things hoped for, the conviction (by the Spirit, Who convicts) of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1).

I would say “IS Saved, IS Quickened”, IS a done deal, that can Not be Reversed.

I would say IT iS likened to Being Delivered “FROM” Sin…
And…
Yet such individual must continue living in this World…surrounded by Evil and Wickedness…
And must Wait…Until… Delivery “FROM” this World (Rapture).

2 Cor 1:
[10] Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

2Cor.4
[11] For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Col.1
[13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1Thes.1
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

2Thes.3
[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

This is true of all born-again Christians, even while still alive. "The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). Again, for those of us who are born again, even now, it is a reality, but being brought to completion, which an absolute certainty.

Amen.

Well, if the rejection remains, yes. But people can change their minds, right? <smile> But that depends on... a change of heart... <smile> ...which can only happen if one is born again of the Spirit. <smile>

The carnal mind IS Against God.
Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Precisely why Belief MUST be according to the man’s Hearts thoughts.

Grace and peace to you, Taken.

Thank you.
May God bless you abundantly.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Once Saved, Always Saved?

Same question, Same Answer.

Salvation IS Given Only ONCE.
The Recipients ARE KEPT SAVED Always and Forever …
By the POWER of God IN Them!

Believe and Trust the Word of God.

1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Glory and Blessings to Our Great and Faithful God,

Taken

 

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Salvation is An Already Paid For Gift Offering, to Have, a person must Reach out and TAKE.

Well, right, but... <smile> ..."(God) says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, Who has mercy" (Romans 9:15-16).

IT IS NOT “the mans power” that keeps them “IN Belief”… It IS Expressly Gods Power (Christ) IN them, that keeps them IN Belief…

Right... God "is able to keep us from stumbling" (Jude 24), and, well...

"...God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ⁠ ~ by grace you have been saved⁠ ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." (Paul, Ephesians 2:4-6)​

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"...God... (the) Father of our Lord Jesus Christ... (a)ccording to His great mercy... has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for (us), who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (Peter, 1 Peter 1:3-5)​

I would say “IS Saved, IS Quickened”, IS a done deal, that can Not be Reversed....I would say IT iS likened to Being Delivered “FROM” Sin… Yet such individual must continue living in this World…surrounded by Evil and Wickedness… And must Wait…Until… Delivery

Right. So, yeah, as I have been saying in previous posts, these two things, which may seem to some paradoxical, are simultaneously true for those of us in Christ:

• We have been delivered (are saved; have received salvation and eternal life)
• We are being delivered (are being saved; will have/will be given eternal life)

And our ultimate deliverance is absolutely certain. All God's promises have their 'yes' in Christ Jesus.

“FROM” this World (Rapture).

Our hearts are already raptured. We are Christ's now, given to Him by the Father, and no one is able to snatch ~ harpazō ~ us away (John 10:26-30). We are in this world, of course, but not of it. <smile> And when Jesus returns, we will not be taken out of this world but will... with Jesus... inherit it. The ones who... leave, or depart... will be the ones who are on Jesus's left in the final Judgment (Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 25:41-46; and symbolically in Revelation 19:21 and Revelation 20:15). God never promises to remove us from trouble or tribulation but to walk with us through it... no other place in the Bible more clear than in Psalm 23, which clearly has both temporal and eternal implications:

"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever."​

There is no "rapture" in the sense that many think it. Heaven will come... is brought down... to us, as we see in Revelation 21:1-8.

Belief MUST be according to the man’s Hearts thoughts.

It never is not so. From the state of a man's (or woman's, of course) heart always follows/comes/flows man's thoughts and actions.

So... <smile>:

• What is the natural state of a person's heart, and why does it (and why does it not, in other cases) change?
• Or how does it change from this natural state, if it does? Or, in other cases, why does it remain in that state?
• Who is responsible for that, Taken? <smile> Whose prerogative is that to cause (or not cause) that happen?
• And then... how does that come to be (or not come to be)?
• And then... what is the result of that, and how does that work itself out in us?

These are... interesting questions, no? <smile> And the answers are in the above Scripture citations... <smile> To God alone be the glory forever and ever, yeah? <smile> Well of course. Yes. Indeed.

Grace and peace!

 

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Well, right, but... <smile> ..."(God) says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, Who has mercy" (Romans 9:15-16).

Yes Absolutely!
Expounding a bit…(with additional facts)…
* Regarding what some men preach…that IF a man, Lies, cheats, kills, murders, steals, etc.
…
“It’s a done deal sentence TO HELL”
False.
Gods Word has Clearly taught according to HIS Will… The Forgiven ARE SAVED (some) and ALL whom Shall become Forgiven …
Shall BE SAVED…..
Without regard to what men Think or Preach.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken