Is drinking sin?

[GEN2REV]

Where did you demonstrate that?

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QUOTE "GEN2REV
Speaking of little children starving in the streets and crying to their mothers, Lamentations presents us with this passage:

"They say to their mothers, Where is corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom."
Lamentations 2:11-12

Verse 19 confirms they were starving. They were not craving alcoholic beverages.
Lamentations 2:19 QUOTE

 

[GEN2REV]

I know the backlash I will get from many for creating an analogy, and all the ways they will claim it is not equal to the topic of discussion, etc., but I would propose that alcohol is ... the pain train.

A one-way train that only goes to one destination; a destination of sin.

There are no stops along the way, but you may choose to jump off at any point and accept your bumps and bruises.

Now, is it a sin to get on that train that ultimately arrives at a sinful destination?

Would God say to His Children that it is ok for them to get on that train?

Would Jesus, Himself, as an example to us, get on that train?

Is it perfectly acceptable for Christians to board that train?

What say you?

 

[amadeus]

...[21] They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

“reproach has broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness” “I look for some to take pity” which the verse concerning strong drink belongs to those heavy in heart…let him drink and remember his poverty and misery no more? From Job knowing the end that the Lord is full of pity and of tender mercy?

What you posted about keeping the precepts and not drinking …makes me think of His Tasting thereof, but he would not drink? What does that mean Amadeus? When he prayed not to drink from the cup and for the cup to pass but submitting to “Father, Your will be done?”

"Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" John 18:11

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

"But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." Matt 20:22-23

They gave Jesus a cup but it was the wrong cup!

His Father gave him a cup to drink indeed, but it was not that vinegar... nor was gall the proper food to eat:

His cup was the agonized suffering and death on that cross. No relief until he was dead... then would come the Resurrection!

Our cup? This is what we want to eat and drink, it is not?

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." John 6:53

What is it? = manna

"This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." John 5:58

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Alcohol is a source of great misery for hundreds of MILLIONS of people all over the world.

It impacts individuals personally, as well as children of alcoholics, siblings, parents, friends, neighbors and even complete strangers who suffer the fall out, and collateral damage, of alcoholism in every corner of the world.

There's nothing to embrace but the Truth of the matter - alcohol KILLS, STEALS AND DESTROYS.

If you refuse to believe, or cannot accept, that, you are deceived and unwise.
Proverbs 20:1

i do see your point. Speaking of if the heart convicts then it is a sin to that person. There is a little store down the road from my house. I went there a week or so ago to buy wine coolers. I like the orange ones that are citrus tasting. There was a large crowd buying alcohol. As I looked around they all looked so beaten down, so tired. One lady was buying a case of beer and was telling the cashier how her car was broke down in the parking lot; asking if it would it be okay if they came to get their car the following day. I don’t know if alcohol is a symptom of a larger problem or the problem itself …but I was convicted shuffling in exhausted and beat down thinking a wine cooler would take the edge off. Just like with my cigarette.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" John 18:11

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

"But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." Matt 20:22-23

A question then …was that not before he tasted they gave him wine mixed with gall, and he would not drink?

 

[mailmandan]

While at the airport back in March, I saw this poster on the side of a restaurant/bar.

If drinking causes you to stumble, then abstain. If you can drink in moderation and not stumble, I see no sin in that. While growing up, it seemed like I was surrounded by two extremes. People who drink too much and had a problem and people who did not drink at all and had a problem with anyone who drink at all. Some of the latter even had a problem with people who drink coffee.

 

[GEN2REV]

I don’t know if alcohol is a symptom of a larger problem or the problem itself …

Very profound.

The larger problem is the devil ... and the dollar.

Alcohol is a multi-BILLION dollar a year industry ... everywhere.

Its marketing is second-to-none in value and importance to those with deep, deep pockets.

It is also absolutely essential to the larger agenda of control and submission perpetuated by the powers that be.

Alcohol is a symptom of a larger problem, no doubt; ... AND the problem itself.

God bless.

 

[amadeus]

A question then …was that not before he tasted they gave him wine mixed with gall, and he would not drink?

Jesus is drinking his cup all through his ministry, the proper cup for him, according to his Father. He is tempted all along the way to drink of other cups... easier ways... until he overcomes the very last temptation.

Remember his word to the devil here?

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7

 

[VictoryinJesus]

While at the airport back in March, I saw this poster on the side of a restaurant/bar.

If drinking causes you to stumble, then abstain. If you can drink in moderation and not stumble, I see no sin in that. While growing up, it seemed like I was surrounded by two extremes. People who drink too much and had a problem and people who did not drink at all and had a problem with anyone who drink at all.

sounds kind of like the debate that just went on concerning whether or not to get the Covid vaccine. If you are not at risk …but if you are at risk then…

speaking of alcohol what if a loved one has a problem with it and can’t drink one without it becoming a problem. But you can drink just one with no problem. Do you drink because you can stop at one? Just a question?

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

I recently had a revelation from Jesus that said truly "Christians don't drink". The scriptures of course spell out drinking for pain and suffering.

Proverbs 31:6-7

6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Christ literally told His disciples to drink wine when they observe the Passover under the New Covenant, so i 100% challenge this claim. The fact that Paul rebuked the Corinthians for attending the Passover observance drunk(1 Cor. 11:21) without rebuking them for drinking alcohol shows Christians are not forbidden from drinking alcohol. There's also the matter that Jesus Himself was a social drinker(Matt. 26:29, Mar. 14:25, Luk. 22:18, Matt. 11:19).

Provs. 31:6-7 is an admonition against over-indulging in alcohol, not drinking alcohol in moderation. If that passage was truly saying that Christians aren't supposed to be drinking wine at all, then the Gospel accounts wouldn't show Jesus drinking wine in social occasions with the disciples and other people.

 

[GEN2REV]

While at the airport back in March, I saw this poster on the side of a restaurant/bar.

If drinking causes you to stumble, then abstain. If you can drink in moderation and not stumble, I see no sin in that. While growing up, it seemed like I was surrounded by two extremes. People who drink too much and had a problem and people who did not drink at all and had a problem with anyone who drink at all. Some of the latter even had a problem with people who drink coffee.

Some people care about the Temples of the Holy Spirit (God).

Some don't.

 

[mailmandan]

Did Jesus drink wine/alcohol?

Did Jesus drink wine/alcohol? | GotQuestions.org

 

[mailmandan]

Some people care about the Temples of the Holy Spirit (God).

Some don't.

Some people truly do and some care more about legalism.

 

[Stan B]

They drank WINE at the passover meal. Not grape juice.

There's no way to prove that since I demonstrated that the Bible uses the word 'wine' when referring to alcohol AND grape juice.

There's no way to prove that since I demonstrated that the Bible uses the word 'wine' when referring to alcohol AND grape juice.

You tend to be an amazingly slow learner, if not completely resistant to learning.

1. The Bible very definitely uses the word wine or the word grape juice as appropriate.

2. It is impossible that grape juice could exist 6 months after harvest without turning into wine,

3. Wine is always used at Passover and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Four cups of wine, a quart of wine is consumed by each person during the celebration. Why do you figure that the disciples couldn't stay awake in the Garden of Gethsemane? After drinking a whole bottle of wine during the evening? Too much grape juice? <Giggle>

You have demonstrated a very low regard for the accuracy of Scripture. :-(

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus is drinking his cup all through his ministry, the proper cup for him, according to his Father. He is tempted all along the way to drink of other cups... easier ways... until he overcomes the very last temptation.

Remember his word to the devil here?

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:7

i get what you are saying but for me it still doesn’t make sense. For instance
John 8:52-56 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you say, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. [53] Art you greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom make thou thyself? [54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honours me; of whom you say, that he is your God: [55] Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. [56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (Rejoiced)

Yet Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

is there a difference in He tasted the wine mingled with gall, but did not drink? Does it matter, maybe not. except (Imo) the wine mixed with gall that he would not drink of after tasting death…was not alcohol but their deeds. Instead tasting of their wine mixed with gall: he said “forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” While they gave him the root of gall and bitterness … 1 Peter 2:22-23 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: [23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Matthew 27:34 Lexicon: they gave Him wine to drink mixed with gall; and after tasting it, He was unwilling to drink.
he tasted the wine mixed with gall, he drinks not.
when he was reviled, he reviled not.
when he suffered, he threatened not.

hopefully what I’m trying to say makes sense. I’m not debating his drinking of the cup. I’m asking more about life application and “follow in his steps”?

 

[Stan B]

Provs. 31:6-7 is an admonition against over-indulging in alcohol, not drinking alcohol in moderation.

That part of the passage is specifically directed to kings and rulers. Was it an intentional deception on your part to delete the remainder which says to "Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to the bitter in soul. let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." ??

 

[GEN2REV]

Some people truly do and some care more about legalism.

Legalism isn't even relevant to this discussion.

 

[GEN2REV]

[QUOTE="Desire Of All Nations, post: 1301701, member: 1162]The fact that Paul rebuked the Corinthians for attending the Passover observance drunk(1 Cor. 11:21) without rebuking them for drinking alcohol shows Christians are not forbidden from drinking alcohol.[/QUOTE]1 Corinthians 11:19 states that there must be divisions among believers to show who is approved of God and who is not. Your verse 1 Corinthians 11:21 shows that one is hungry (approved) and one is drunken (not approved). Simple as that.

There's also the matter that Jesus Himself was a social drinker(Matt. 26:29, Mar. 14:25, Luk. 22:18, Matt. 11:19).

This is one of the most abominable LIES that is ever told about our Lord and Savior.

For Christ to be a "social drinker" He would need to have gotten drunk. There's absolutely no way around that. No "social drinker" stays 100% sober. Even if some moron was to attempt to make the case that they only take one drink, or two, then what? "That's me, guys! I'm out. See ya for the next social drinking meet-up!"

Yes, ridiculous.

Besides that, all those verses speak of Jesus drinking "the fruit of the vine." Since when is the "fruit of the vine" alcohol?

FAIL

And Matthew 11:18-19 shows Jesus and John the Baptist being accused of things that were clearly NOT TRUE. Jesus of being a winebibber, which is a drunk, and John the Baptist of being demon-possessed. He was not and Jesus was certainly NOT a drunk.

 

[Stan B]

[QUOTE="Desire Of All Nations, post: 1301701, member: 1162]The fact that Paul rebuked the Corinthians for attending the Passover observance drunk(1 Cor. 11:21) without rebuking them for drinking alcohol shows Christians are not forbidden from drinking alcohol.

1 Corinthians 11:19 states that there must be divisions among believers to show who is approved of God and who is not. Your verse 1 Corinthians 11:21 shows that one is hungry (approved) and one is drunken (not approved). Simple as that.This is one of the most abominable LIES that is ever told about our Lord and Savior.[/QUOTE]

This is SO silly. The Corinthians were not celebrating Passover!!!! They weren't even Jewish. They were just celebrating their weekly church service, which started out with dinner. The whole problem here was a matter of sharing!! The rich attended bringing lots of booze and food for themselves, but failed to share any of it with the poor who had nothing!!

Wake up. Get a life. And try reading the Bible for a change!! Duh

 

[GEN2REV]

The rich attended bringing lots of booze and food for themselves, but failed to share any of it with the poor who had nothing!!

Wake up. Get a life. And try reading the Bible for a change!! Duh

Get a life.

Ok, there, Stan.

I'll work on that.

Enjoy all your booze.