The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

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Why don't you just ask for clarification if you don't understand something I said? Is that too hard for you?

What exactly is hard to understand about the concept of the spirits and souls of physically/bodily dead (and not yet bodily resurrected) people being alive (zao)?


You still are showing you do not understand what it means for a physically dead person to become ZAO again. Since I have explained it and you still don't understand I won't bother explaining any further.
 
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Lot and his daughters made it out. They were not even great people, but kept on living. So burning all people at one time is not proven here.

Lot did not even make it back into the company of Abraham and Isaac. He was left with the mindset of the world, and had incest with his own daughters. Even the lost world would condemn Lot.

Still not seeing how every single human is burned up at the Second Coming any where in Scripture. I don't even think Lot represents the church. That would be Abraham. The church begged God to spare the world if there be any to spare, yet unfortunately even the seemingly righteous, have to be changed after the judgment and cannot continue to live in sin.

Yet most people reject a "third group" that Lot represented.
Jesus Himself said it plainly in
Luke.17[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

But, if that is not enough convincing for you, then just back up to verse 26, and you will get it correct for sure.
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Here is a math quiz:
You can use any number(????) you like, that is greater than eight. 1 Peter 3:20

???? minus eight = ___________ .

Did you happen to notice that for whatever number one fills in the blank with, that is greater than eight, the answer is always the same: "destroyed them all".

As for any that some might think shall "escape" by their own righteousness by deeds, Jesus rhetorically said this:
Luke.18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

See also
1Thes.5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
 
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Well, yes you DID point to it being our FLESH BODY that is made incorruptible, in your post 354, you said:





You claim to know what you're talking about, but you do not. What is it that you don't understand about John 3:6 where Jesus said 'that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit'?

Right there, with that one statement in John 3:6, Lord Jesus showed that you cannot get 'spirit' from flesh, not flesh from spirit. He showed they are two totally SEPARATE operations.

So as long as you believe men's theories 'loosely' based on The Bible, you will never grasp what Jesus meant there with showing Nicodemus the difference between this earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension, which are two totally distinct and separate dimensions of existence! Understanding about those two different and separate dimensions is even DEPENDENT UPON UNDERSTANDING the Hebrews 11:3 verse 'proof' of God's existence!

Thus, Apostle Paul said this about the future glorious body of the world to come, for that reason...

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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What's the "image of the heavenly"? A body like the angels of God in Heaven, which Jesus even pointed to in Mark 12:25 about the resurrection.
That's just your opinions, i.e the opinions of men. You've shown by the way you interpret the above statements in the Bible that you misinterpret them. My understanding is the way the Church has always understood it, regardless of denomination. And I don't understand it that way "just because that's the way the church understands it". I understand it that way because that's what's meant and I'm not looking for hidden gnostic understanding in what is clear.

Born of the flesh = human seed, human genes. Born of the Spirit = spiritual birth by the Spirit of God:

John 3:6-8
That which is born [gennáō] of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born [gennáō] of the Spirit [pneûma] is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born from above [ánōthen]. The Spirit [pneûma]] breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born [γεννάω gennáō] of the Spirit.

00509 ἄνωθεν ánōthen, an'-o-then
from 507;
from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:--from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

The source of eternal life is God.

Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned. Romans 5:12

1 Corinthians 15
20 But now Christ has risen [ἐγείρω egeírō] from the dead [νεκρός nekrós], and has become the firstfruit of those who slept.
21 For since death is through man, the resurrection [ἀνάστασις anástasis] of the dead also is through a Man.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ (the last Adam) all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming.

The flesh-and-blood body when it dies becomes the seed that dies and is resurrected as a different kind of physical (non flesh-and-blood, spiritual) body. It's still as physical as the body the last Adam (Christ) rose with.

God's purpose never changes. God created Adam with a body. That's His purpose. Adam was a body and soul when he was created, and God never intended for Adam to die and his soul become separated from his body in death. God breathed His own eternal life into Adam. Adam's sin caused him to lose that eternal life.

The new thing you're telling yourself about is gnostic: Hidden 'knowledge' that aint no knowledge at all.

It's you who doesn't believe the plain and literal meaning of John 3:6-8: That which is born [gennáō] of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born [gennáō] of the Spirit [pneûma] is spirit.
 
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Jesus Himself said it plainly in
Luke.17[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

But, if that is not enough convincing for you, then just back up to verse 26, and you will get it correct for sure.


And everyone knows that was not a global slaughter so this doesn't support your view. Revelation 19 promises a future rule over the nations so nothing can change that. You guys need to take a course in Greek verb tenses.
 
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"Sure"

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah was symbolic hyperbole in metaphor :rolleyes:

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
So because the examples of Sodom and Gomorrah are literal, you deny the Bible's use of metaphor? Then, denying the Bible's use of metaphor, you will never understand the difference between metaphor and literal language when it's metaphor being used in a passage to describe God's judgment. You will instead interpret what is written literally each time.

Suit yourself. 1 Corinthians 3:1-2.
 

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So because the examples of Sodom and Gomorrah are literal, you deny the Bible's use of metaphor? Then, denying the Bible's use of metaphor, you will never understand the difference between metaphor and literal language when it's metaphor being used in a passage to describe God's judgment. You will instead interpret what is written literally each time.

Suit yourself. 1 Corinthians 3:1-2.
Yes You "Deny" The Future Literal Seen Below, Suit Yourself

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


I love the hyper-literal hypocrisy here. "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." does not mean fire and brimstone will rain upon Sodom on the day of the second coming. This wasn't a global slaughter either. It doesn't support your position, it debunks it. Keep posting it!

The truth is at the second coming the world will not be flooded with water, nor will God burn two cities with fire as he did in the past or any city or any person. What Revelation 19 tells us is that Christ will return and kill the army of the beast with a symbolic sword and satan will be imprisoned for a thousand years during which the nations will be ruled over.
 
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Yes You "Deny" The Future Literal Seen Below, Suit Yourself

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Again, you've failed to distinguish between the literal and metaphor. God is going to create an entirely new universe when Jesus comes back, in your view. No regeneration of anything through Christ. Just a burning up of the first creation and a completely new heavens and earth, because (according to your logic) God has repented that He never destroyed the heavens and the earth this way when He instead sent the flood in Noah's day.

Why did Jesus die and rise again?
 

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Why don't you just ask for clarification if you don't understand something I said? Is that too hard for you?

What exactly is hard to understand about the concept of the spirits and souls of physically/bodily dead (and not yet bodily resurrected) people being alive (zao)? You're acting as if someone who has physically/bodily died can't be considered alive (zao) until they've been bodily resurrected, but that is not the case. Only someone who believes in soul sleep would claim that. I don't think what I'm saying here should be hard to grasp, so I question whether you're even trying.
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Well I'm reluctant to get into this with you SJ, I mean SI (I beg your pardon), but the noun used for "the resurrection" in Revelation 20:5-6 is anástasis, and it's preceded by the definite article in the Greek.

Can you please quote for me a verse in the New Testament (any verse except Revelation 20:5-6) where the word anástasis is employed and is not referring to the bodily resurrection of the dead, but instead to spiritual regeneration or the quickening of the Spirit?
 
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I love the hyper-literal hypocrisy here. "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." does not mean fire and brimstone will rain upon Sodom on the day of the second coming. This wasn't a global slaughter either. It doesn't support your position, it debunks it. Keep posting it!

The truth is at the second coming the world will not be flooded with water, nor will God burn two cities with fire as he did in the past or any city or any person. What Revelation 19 tells us is that Christ will return and kill the army of the beast with a symbolic sword and satan will be imprisoned for a thousand years during which the nations will be ruled over.
Please Interpret The Scripture Below, Waiting?

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
 

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Again, you've failed to distinguish between the literal and metaphor. God is going to create an entirely new universe when Jesus comes back, in your view. No regeneration of anything through Christ. Just a burning up of the first creation and a completely new heavens and earth, because (according to your logic) God has repented that He never destroyed the heavens and the earth this way when He instead sent the flood in Noah's day.

Why did Jesus die and rise again?
Yes A Completely New Creation, Just As Scripture Clearly Teaches

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

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Please Interpret The Scripture Below, Waiting?

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
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@Truth7t7 The chapter is talking to Nineveh and "copying" Judah, and it's using metaphor to describe God's judgment upon the Nineveh, the enemy of Judah.
 
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Yes A Completely New Creation, Just As Scripture Teaches

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
OK sure.

Which nation or people is being addressed in Nahum Chapter 1?
 

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OK sure.

Which nation or people is being addressed in Nahum Chapter 1?
Is that also symbolic metaphor below, the heavens and earth aren't literally going to be "Dissolved" by fire as scripture states?

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
 
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Please Interpret The Scripture Below, Waiting?

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.


I have already commented on this before to you. This is not the second coming of Christ. This is known as a contextual fallacy.
 

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OK sure.

Which nation or people is being addressed in Nahum Chapter 1?
It's prophetic from Nahum, it describes the second coming in the day of the Lord, and involves the "World" not a localized Ninevah as you suggest

The "World" and all that dwell therin

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
 

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I have already commented on this before to you. This is not the second coming of Christ. This is known as a contextual fallacy.
No Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, Or Fire Seen Below Either?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
 

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No Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, Or Fire Seen Below Either?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


IN IN IN IN! Do you not know what IN means? Jesus comes IN flaming fire which means a flash of lightning. It's how fast he returned. Not a single time does Jesus use fire to kill anyone! Learn how to properly exegete scripture!
 

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IN IN IN IN! Do you not know what IN means? Jesus comes IN flaming fire which means a flash of lightning. It's how fast he returned. Not a single time does Jesus use fire to kill anyone! Learn how to properly exegete scripture!
"In flaming fire taking vengeance"

Nobody is dying by this vengeance, it's a happy picture where everybody is singing kumbaya holding hands, big smiles!

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 
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"In flaming fire taking vengeance"

Nobody is dying by this vengeance, it's a happy picture where everybody is singing kumbaya holding hands, big smiles!

Try to keep the context. Christ himself, no one else, comes IN IN IN IN flaming fire. He is killing with that sword, not fire. Amillennialism falsifies that part. That is a VERY dishonest doctrine.