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[Taken]

These quotes deal soley with the worship of false gods, which proves you can't read scripture. God did not abolish the proper use of religious statuary or He wouldn't have instructed the Israelites to make statues in the Temple. If you really think a statue of Jesus is worshipped as an idol, it's because you refuse to be taught. You're stuck in the mud.

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[Jim B]

These quotes deal soley with the worship of false gods, which proves you can't read scripture. God did not abolish the proper use of religious statuary or He wouldn't have instructed the Israelites to make statues in the Temple. If you really think a statue of Jesus is worshipped as an idol, it's because you refuse to be taught. You're stuck in the mud.

So when you pray to Mary and the so-called saints and make statues of them, what is that other than idolatry?

Micah 1:7, "All her carved idols will be smashed to pieces; all her metal cult statues will be destroyed by fire. I will make a waste heap of all her images. Since she gathered the metal as a prostitute collects her wages, the idols will become a prostitute’s wages again.”

 

[Philip James]

So you're saying that the Catholic church follows the Old Testament sacrificial law

?? Nonsense!

The Church offers the New Testament sacrifice: Malachi 1:11

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[theefaith]

Yo, are all IN Christ Jesus?

yep all those in the new covenant church are

 

[theefaith]

So when you pray to Mary and the so-called saints and make statues of them, what is that other than idolatry?

Micah 1:7, "All her carved idols will be smashed to pieces; all her metal cult statues will be destroyed by fire. I will make a waste heap of all her images. Since she gathered the metal as a prostitute collects her wages, the idols will become a prostitute’s wages again.”

we pray to God!

 

[Marymog]

The teaching of truth never stopped... Don't be silly.

Hey Brakelite,

I never said the teaching of the Truth never stopped! Notice how I asked a question...it wasn't a statement. I think I have made it very clear on this forum that the teaching of the Truth has never stopped. The Church teaches the Truth.

 

[Marymog]

The teaching of truth never stopped... Don't be silly. Throughout history God has had a remnant of faithful disciples cleaving to God's word as the foundation of faith and practise. The teaching of truth however did stop and become adulterated in certain places and at certain times.

Sooooo which is it? It "never stopped" or "did stop"??

It appears to me your theory is that the teaching of the Truth did stop "in some place" but didn't stop in others....Like in the Catholic Church. Soooo where or in what place didn't the Truth stop being taught? After all, you seem to think you KNOW for a fact that the CC stoped teaching the Truth so you must know who continued teaching the Truth?

 

[Marymog]

This is so typical of you to distort truth and the teachings of others who disagree with you. You have it backwards. If an angel,a teacher, an apostle, or spirit of whatever sort comes with a teaching, they're is no confirmation to be found in that teaching simply because a "spirit" gave it. Whatever is taught by anyone out anything is to be confirmed by God's word. Hence why we don't trust the spirit which taught Innocent to murder heretics.
KJV Isaiah 8:19-20
19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Nope, I didn't distort anything. MANY on this forum have expressed exactly what I said: each individual Christian gets to decide what the Truth is once they confirm that they have been given that Truth by the Holy Spirit. After all, that is what Scripture teaches. They use John 16:13 as their go to verse to back up that theory.

Do you believe what you say on here is the Truth? I presume you do.

 

[theefaith]

Hey Brakelite,

I never said the teaching of the Truth never stopped! Notice how I asked a question...it wasn't a statement. I think I have made it very clear on this forum that the teaching of the Truth has never stopped. The Church teaches the Truth.

the office of apostle also never ceased! Acts 1:8

 

[Marymog]

But to answer your silly statement here: If one tries to walk away from the Lord--they can't! Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us! So if you turn away from Jesus He turns with you!

Really Ronald? A person can never walk away from the Lord? Where does Scripture say that? I can find several passages that say the OPPOSITE of what your Protestant men have taught you:

“He who endures to the end will be saved” ?

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

“I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified”

So you think I presented a hypothetical and silly scenario? Thanks for your opinion...... lets go with a story that actually happened and has happened millions of times that is not hypothetical or silly but still meets the criteria in my 1st scenario. Did Charles Templeton, and the millions like him throughout Christian history, walk away from the Lord?

Also, it is true. He will never leave us but Scripture makes it clear that we can leave Him.

Curious Mary

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Really Ronald? A person can never walk away from the Lord? Where does Scripture say that? I can find several passages that say the OPPOSITE of what your Protestant men have taught you:

“He who endures to the end will be saved” ?

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

“I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified”

So you think I presented a hypothetical and silly scenario? Thanks for your opinion...... lets go with a story that actually happened and has happened millions of times that is not hypothetical or silly but still meets the criteria in my 1st scenario. Did Charles Templeton, and the millions like him throughout Christian history, walk away from the Lord?

Also, it is true. He will never leave us but Scripture makes it clear that we can leave Him.

Curious Mary

Jesus declared He will never leave us or forsake us! Either Scripture is contradictory or your catholic puppet masters taught you wrong on these verses!

In order:

1. that is an end times verse and not a soteriological verse.
2. this does not mean losing salvation, but being cut from blessing.
3. These are -eople who learned about salvation but did not accept it. Grammar is key in knowing this
4. Disqualified does not mean loss of salvation, but loss of rewards!

 

[Marymog]

Jesus declared He will never leave us or forsake us! Either Scripture is contradictory or your catholic puppet masters taught you wrong on these verses!

In order:

1. that is an end times verse and not a soteriological verse.
2. this does not mean losing salvation, but being cut from blessing.
3. These are -eople who learned about salvation but did not accept it. Grammar is key in knowing this
4. Disqualified does not mean loss of salvation, but loss of rewards!

Your men have taught you wrong. Scripture makes it clear we can leave Him: toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified”

 

[Marymog]

Well Rome is not a good judge of who is right or wrong! When they can promote the perpetual virginity, the immaculate conception, evolution, celibacy etc.etc.etc. I do not consider them to be apt judges of bible knowledge.

Uh huh...and who is a good judge of right or wrong and apt judges of bible knowledge? YOU? What man do you choose?

 

[Marymog]

Seriously Mary, you have repeatedly asked and been answered....
Jesus the SOURCE and HIS appointed....have always been my teachers....

Ok...so YOU are appointed and He is YOUR teacher.....but when He teaches someone else something opposite of what YOU beleive to be the Truth they are wrong? Can you see how your self grandiose theory is ludicrous.

 

[Marymog]

Was idol, graven image, standing image, stone, bow down unto it, male, female, any figure.....too vague, because it didn’t include plaster, porcelain, gold, steel, blah, blah, blah?

Silly? Pot calling kettle black.

Lev.26
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Deut.4
[16] Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

Let me help you out here silly boy.

A graven image is an image or idol that one looks upon as that actual image being a God or Goddess. A figure made of stone or plaster or gold or steel blah blah blay is just that....an image. A reminder of someone or something. Any Christian who creates an image and makes it graven is in violation of Scripture. That is what the Catholic Church teaches. So it sounds like you agree with the long held teaching of The Catholic Church which puts you one step closer to becoming a Catholic.

 

[Marymog]

So don't be so complacent to believe God won't take the kingdom from whatever church distorts, withholds or obliterates truth.

Huh....So are you saying at one time The Catholic Church did teach the Truth but then God took the kingdom away from the Catholic Church because it started to distort, withhold and obliterate the Truth?

 

[Illuminator]

So when you pray to Mary and the so-called saints and make statues of them, what is that other than idolatry?

Micah 1:7, "All her carved idols will be smashed to pieces; all her metal cult statues will be destroyed by fire. I will make a waste heap of all her images. Since she gathered the metal as a prostitute collects her wages, the idols will become a prostitute’s wages again.”

First, Michah 1:7 deals solely with the worship of false gods, which iconoclasts like yourself refuse to understand. You read into Scripture what isn't there.
Second, idolatry has been roundly condemned by the historic Church since the beginning.
Third, you dishonestly change the meaning of idolatry so you can use it as a bat to beat Catholics with.

What the historic Church says about idolatry:

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42 God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."47​

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 1 ARTICLE 1

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This definition doesn't fit well with your false Calvinoid iconoclastic definition, so you change the meaning of idolatry to justify your disdain of a legitimate Catholic practice. That's dishonest.
Do Catholics Worship Statues?
Sadly, you won't check out this link for yourself, because you are afraid of the truth, and too proud to be corrected.

 

[Marymog]

(How about this scenario Ronald: A man goes to a church for bible study at the request of his friend. He's never pursued or been interested in the teachings of Christ. He then hears The Word and decides he is going to live by the teachings of Christ. He now has faith that Jesus is his Lord and Saviour. He wants to get baptized THAT DAY and THAT DAY signs up to work in the food kitchen sponsored by the church that serves the homeless in the community. They tell him baptisms are done on certain days (not that day) so they schedule a baptism a couple weeks out. They welcome him into the church and say that they will see him at the food kitchen in a few days. He's driving home. Crashes his car. Sadly, he dies. Is he saved? I would say, YES, he is saved by faith. He didn't have the opportunity to do the works.)
Yes he is saved. Baptism is not essential for salvation!

Well Ronald, we agree that he is saved. The Church teaches he is saved because he had faith EVEN THOUGH he didn't have the opportunity to do the necessary works or get baptized before he died. But if he rejects or fails to comply with ALL the teachings of what one must do to be saved then he has rejected the teachings of Christ and will not be saved.

So lets look at another silly scenario based on your "baptism is not essential for salvation' teaching of your Protestant men:

Ronald Nolette is alive in NT times and sitting in the crowd when the Apostle Peter says to the crowd, God waited patiently in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you. Not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. So I Peter, an Apostle of Christ, say to you, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I am fulfilling the command of Christ when he told us to “Go out and baptize and make disciples. ”

The Apostle Paul is standing next to Peter and reminds the crowd what he was told by Ananias when he was converted to Christ, Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

But Ronald stands up in the crowd and says to Peter, Paul and the crowd, "Ummm...Wow....that's kind of crazy. Water can't save you. Listen to me people, not Peter and Paul. Baptism is not essential for your salvation! We have heard Peter and Paul preach about Christ and I now have faith that He is our Lord and Saviour and that He is the son of God so I'm good to go. I'm not going down to the Jordon with you guys to get wet. I'm heading home to tell my wife about Jesus so she will be saved thru faith also".

Sooooo tell me Ronald. Do you think that would go over well with Peter and Paul? You teaching opposite of what they just taught!

Curious and silly Mary

 

[Taken]

Ok...so YOU are appointed

No, your speaking for me IS NOT Ok...Why make up lies?
I said no such thing.

and He is YOUR teacher.....

Yes.

but when He teaches someone else something opposite

He doesn’t.

of what YOU beleive to be the Truth they are wrong?

“THEY” prove themselves to not HAVE ALLEGIANCE TO His TEACHING, by adding FANTASY to His Teaching.

Can you see how your self grandiose theory is ludicrous.

Gentile men WERE teaching LIES, and DOING against Gods Word, while hypocritically USING the Lords NAME. Salvation IS NOT FOR SALE!

 

[Taken]

Huh....So are you saying at one time The Catholic Church did teach the Truth but then God took the kingdom away from the Catholic Church because it started to distort, withhold and obliterate the Truth?

Jesus Established what He called “MY CHURCH”.
Jews were teaching JEWS the TRUTH.
The Teaching Jews died off...
The Gentiles took over the CHURCH and within decades Corrupt pseudo Pharisee, Gentiles and Catholicism took over the CHURCH...