Once Saved, Always Saved?
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Lifelong_sinner
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yes, Jesus is Lord. The Lord of lords, and King of kings. I have confessed this before in front of a crowd, and i would say it if we were face to face today.
all joking aside, i do not believe that i am saved. I just cant believe anyone can sin as badly, willfully as i do, daily and still get to Heaven. And i have asked myself this a gazillion times, but what if i were saved? I dont think a person could be saved and not know it.
But what if i was saved, how would knowing that affect me? I think it would have a positive effect.
You truly believe Jesus is the Christ, sent by God? Yes?
Then do you badly, willfully, daily reject Belief in God and Christ Jesus?
Lifelong_sinner
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yes to your first question.
I dont ever reject belief.
But i do badly, willfully sin daily.
) Lay down your Bodily life unto Death, crucified with Christ Jesus.
One has to do “ this” in order to be Saved? Looks like an ADDITION to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace that is found in 1Cor15:1-4...... no matter how hard I look it just doesn’t seem to be in there....Paul said that if we or angel come teaching a so-called “ Gospel” That differs from his, let that man be “Accursed” ....that’s a polite way to say “ Damned by God”
Your “ False and Perverted Gospel” sure does “ Differ” from Pauls.....those that fall for your Hogwash Additions to the Gospel are “ Fallen From Grace”..... That may or may not equate to Damnation, the jury is still out on that one.....
However, the Fate for one that goes farther than just falling into Error and actually TEACHES a False and Perverted Gospel ......There is no mistaking what his fate is going to be....read it for yourself in Gal1:8.....that man is “Accursed”- Damned Forever!
Your self- constructed “ Gospel” is a hodge- pudge Of Old Testament Doctrine being crammed into the New Testament and the teachings of Peter mixed into the teachings of Paul , you mix Grace with Works, etc.... in the end it’s just a bunch of confused and ignorant and Wrongly Divided Religious Mush.....did somebody actually teach you this crappola or did you just gather up a bunch of “ good sounding” things and cobble them together because you thought it made no difference...... I suspect the Latter....
For any Newbies out there that just want to get Saved.....Simply Believe the Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4 —- REST in it and NEVER Add to it like this Confused man does.....Read the short Book Of Galatians.....it will Verify everything I have said....Six little chapters....takes no time....it could Save your Soul....it’s time well- invested....
One has to do “ this” in order to be Saved? Looks like an ADDITION to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace that is found in 1Cor15:1-4...... no matter how hard I look it just doesn’t seem to be in there....Paul said that if we or angel come teaching a so-called “ Gospel” That differs from his, let that man be “Accursed” ....that’s a polite way to say “ Damned by God”
Your “ False and Perverted Gospel” sure does “ Differ” from Pauls.....those that fall for your Hogwash Additions to the Gospel are “ Fallen From Grace”..... That may or may not equate to Damnation, the jury is still out on that one.....
However, the Fate for one that goes farther than just falling into Error and actually TEACHES a False and Perverted Gospel ......There is no mistaking what his fate is going to be....read it for yourself in Gal1:8.....that man is “Accursed”- Damned Forever!
Your self- constructed “ Gospel” is a hodge- pudge Of Old Testament Doctrine being crammed into the New Testament and the teachings of Peter mixed into the teachings of Paul , you mix Grace with Works, etc.... in the end it’s just a bunch of confused and ignorant and Wrongly Divided Religious Mush.....did somebody actually teach you this crappola or did you just gather up a bunch of “ good sounding” things and cobble them together because you thought it made no difference...... I suspect the Latter....
For any Newbies out there that just want to get Saved.....Simply Believe the Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4 —- REST in it and NEVER Add to it like this Confused man does.....Read the short Book Of Galatians.....it will Verify everything I have said....Six little chapters....takes no time....it could Save your Soul....it’s time well- invested....
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Ok...Set that aside for a moment.
What would you say would be “an example of a sin” “any believing person”, willfully commits?
Lifelong_sinner
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any addictions obviously first.
I would also say most things done out of anger would be sinful, like bad thoughts, or gestures.
I mean everyone sins daily, saved and unsaved. I do believe we all have a besetting sin as paul called it.
So, primarily you are talking about feelings and behaviors of one person toward another person, is a commission of sin?
So does everybody else .You are Wise enough to see it and humble enough to admit it...... Sounds like you are the type Of man that God is looking for...a man who has found the “Starting Gate” Of Christianity....it’s called a “ Contrite Heart” .....” Nobody comes to God lest the Spirit DRAW him”..... The Spirit “ draws” by by the Conviction Of Sin ....That Conviction creates the Contrite. heart....Nobody will seek the Savior until they see the NEED for a Savior.....Using your “ Holy Spirit Given” Contrite Heaet, you can now do like the wicked Tax Collector did.....
Jesus said that Publican went home that day a Saved Man.....He committed an act of Faith....That Act was “Turning to God” ......He cried out, “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner” ....now YOU do the same....HE will take care of the rest.....”Turn to me ( as the Publican did) and I will Turn to you...” It worked for “ that” self - confessed Sinner ....it worked for yours truly —- it will work for you too!
Lifelong_sinner
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all sin is against God first and foremost, but yes, it can involve others as well. Think of david, bathsheba, and uriah.
I have no idea what you are calling a daily commission of sin, and why I asked for an example. Me thinking about David etc. gives me no idea what you are talking about...
Hypothetical -
Say ONLY two vehicles are traveling on the same country road.
Guy A notices Guy B advancing closer behind him.
Guy B passes Guy A in a wreck-less manner.
Guy A moves his vehicle slightly to the shoulder to keep Guy B from sideswiping Guy A.
Guy A feelings become angry, yells, flips off, Guy B.
....Did Guy A just “COMMIT A SIN”?
Yes? No?
Lifelong_sinner
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Okay, thank you.
Continuing the Hypothetical-
Guy B speeds on down the road.
Guy A is angry, fuming over the incident.
Guy A comes around a curve and sees Guy B’s vehicle hit a tree and slid into a pond at the roads edge.
Guy A has options...
~ option 1) hang onto his anger drive on by
~ option 2) stop his own vehicle, render aid
Would either option be a commission of sin?
Lifelong_sinner
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Ok, thank you.
Option A -
Who did driver A commit as sin Against?
1) Driver B
2) The Lord God
Lifelong_sinner
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Okay, thank you.
So, willful neglect behavior toward a man is a sin against the man? Yes?
And, willful neglect behavior toward a man is a sin against God? Yes?
Lifelong_sinner
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Okay, thank you.
Is there a Scripture you can share that speaks to willful neglect of a man against man, being a sin against God?
Lifelong_sinner
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yes, 2 samuel 12. Nathan calls out david for what he did to uriah. Notice that in verse 13, david says he sinned against God, he said nothing about uriah or bathsheba. Sin is ALWAYS first and foremost against God.
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