Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Titus]

YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOUR ENTIRE POSITION THAT FAITH AND NO OBEDIENCE =SALVATION

Danthemailman you are full of contradictions!

Wow, so much action. I obeyed by choosing to believe the gospel. That was so much action as well. Works salvation is what you live and breathe.

You OBEYED! You admitted obedience NOT belief only is how one is saved.
You proved I am teaching the true gospel,
Hebrews 5:8-9

 

[mailmandan]

No Sir,
You teach we can disobey the commandment to be water baptized and still be saved.
The only condition that must be met in your false gospel to recieve salvation is belief only.
Therefore your gospel is salvation by disobedience.
If you claim you dont teach this. You are denying salvation by faith and no works

Salvation through faith, not works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) in no way implies that we produce no works AFTER we have been saved through faith in Christ alone. How many other conditions to be saved do you see in (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8 etc..? I see one. I already told you that I am not suggesting that believers disobey the commandment to be water baptized. I am simply putting water baptism in it's proper place. Subsequent to salvation through faith. (Acts 10:43-47) Your continued dishonesty is not helping your case at all.

 

[mailmandan]

YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOUR ENTIRE POSITION THAT FAITH AND NO OBEDIENCE =SALVATION

Danthemailman you are full of contradictions!

You OBEYED! You admitted obedience NOT belief only is how one is saved.
You proved I am teaching the true gospel,
Hebrews 5:8-9

It's your arguments that are full of contradictions and you are too blind to see the truth. I already previously explained Hebrews 5:8-9 to you but I might as well be trying to explain algebra to my dog. Same result.

 

[mailmandan]

He's not saying that. In all fairness to mailmandan, he said this... ↓↓↓

He's not pushing living in disobedience and still being saved when Jesus comes back. He's saying what Paul said: Salvation is not given as a reward of debt owed for work performed, but rather as a reward of faith before any work is performed:

"4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4​

Amen! Thank you brother! It's nice to see that someone gets it. I appreciate your honesty.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Wow! You really dont get it, do you.
So adultery has always been a sin. Jesus even said looking at a woman with lust is considered adultery. Its a sin.

Precious friend, you know some Scripture, and can quote them, so
here's some questions:

You say you "have believed The Truth," But, at the same time you
"have pleasure in your UNrighteousness [sin]," thus you say you
"Are UNsaved," Correct? How can "it BE BOTH At the same time"?

IMPOSSIBLE, for when the man Of SIN, the son Of PERDITION is revealed,
God Teaches THIS!:

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the Love of The Truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not The Truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (SIN)

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren
Beloved Of The Lord, because God Hath from the beginning Chosen you
to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit And belief of The Truth:

2Th 2:14 Whereunto He called you by our Gospel, to the obtaining of
The Glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Today, The "Love Of The Truth" Gospel ALL Of the SAVED Are Called By?:

"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received,
how that Christ Died for our sins According to The Scriptures;
And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third
day According to The Scriptures" (1_Corinthians 15:3-4)

ALL who, with their heart, believe This Truth have ALL their sins
FORGIVEN!:

Eph 1:7 "In Whom we have Redemption Through His BLOOD, The
FORGIVENESS of sins, According To The Riches Of His GRACE!"

Col 2:13 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision
of your flesh, Hath He quickened together with Him, having
FORGIVEN you ALL trespasses"

Precious friend, IF you "wish to be SAVED," which cannot happen BY
"STOPPING your sinning" (you Are In BONDAGE TO!), please study
prayerfully And Carefully the "links In RED" above, ok?

God's ETERNAL Salvation is only By His Way of GRACE And MERCY!
I will pray for you...

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Titus]

It's your arguments that are full of contradictions and you are too blind to see the truth. I already previously explained Hebrews 5:8-9 to you but I might as well be trying to explain algebra to my dog. Same result.

You admitted obedience is in salvation.
Your whole doctrine is faith only and no obedience to Gods commandments.
You do not realize your double talk.

Dan, you teach no obedience to be saved!
Except when you teach the opposite!
Contradictions Dan!
Must I obey the commandment to be baptized, Mark 16:15-16?

You tea h no commandments are to be obeyed to be saved.
Yet faith is a commandment that must be obeyed, 1John 3:23-24.
That makes faith a work, as Jesus taught,
John 6:28-29
Try to get works out of salvation?
You must remove faith from the gospel!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I was studying our shorter catechism some, and its like these seemed to jump out at me today, and i thought they needed to be seen by yall too.

Q. 82. Is any man able perfectly to keep the commandments of God?
A. No mere man since the fall is able in this life perfectly to keep the commandments of God, but doth DAILY break them in thought, word and deed.

Q. 86. What is faith in Jesus Christ?
A. Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon him alone for salvation, as he is offered to us in the gospel.

Q. 91. How do the sacraments become effectual means of salvation?
A. The sacraments become effectual means of salvation, not from any virtue in them, or in him that doth administer them; but only by the blessing of Christ, and the working of his Spirit in them that by faith receive them.

More can be found here
Shorter Catechism: The Orthodox Presbyterian Church

 

[Titus]

You say you "have believed The Truth," But, at the same time you
"have pleasure in your UNrighteousness [sin]," thus you say you
"Are UNsaved," Correct? How can "it BE BOTH At the same time"?

Plenty of believers in the bible that were not saved,
John 12:42,
-nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Jesus, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Jesus, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

These men had faith but were lost!
Romans 10:9-10,
-If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
-for with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received,
how that Christ Died for our sins According to The Scriptures;
And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third
day According to The Scriptures" (1_Corinthians 15:3-4)

ALL who, with their heart, believe This Truth have ALL their sins
FORGIVEN

You only taught part of the gospel.
That is the gospel enacted.
Now the gospel re-enacted,
Romans 6:1-7

1Corinthians 15:1-4 Enacted
Romans 6:1-7 gospel re-enacted.

Both must be obeyed, Mark 16:15-16.

Col 2:13 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision
of your flesh, Hath He quickened together with Him, having
FORGIVEN you ALL trespasses

How? How has God forgiven you all sins?
Read the preceding verse.
Colossians 2:12-13,
-buried with Jesus in baptism in which you were raised with Him, through faith in the working of God, who raised Jesus from the dead.

We receive Christs blood for the remission of sins in baptism.
This is where God works His power to save us.

Paul teaches salvation is IN Christ.
How do we get IN Christ.

By faith only?

Galatians 3:26-27,
-for you are all sons of God through Faith in Christ Jesus.
-for as many of you as were baptized INTO Christ have put on Christ.

Paul said we get into Christ by obeying Jesus' gospel,Mark 16:15-16.

He did not say we are in Christ before being baptized.
By faith in Christ we will be baptized INTO Christ.

By faith alone in Christ?
No Galatians 3:26-27.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Regeneration before faith

 

[Titus]

I am being completely honest with your teaching of faith only salvation,
The only faith onlyist that do not contradict themselves is the hyper grace sect.

They teach you are saved by faith only and no works ever!
Not before you are saved,
Not after you are saved.

Danthemailman contradicts his gospel every time he includes works as proof of true salvation after one is saved,

Salvation through faith, not works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) in no way implies that we produce no works AFTER we have been saved through faith in Christ alone. How many other conditions to be saved do you see in (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8 etc..? I see one. I already told you that I am not suggesting that believers disobey the commandment to be water baptized. I am simply putting water baptism in it's proper place.

Danthemailman, you teach if one never obeys any commandments after he is saved by belief only.
Then he was never really saved!

That contradicts that one can be saved by faith only.
The hyper grace folks teach you are saved by faith only and no works EVER are required in oder to be saved.
They do not contradict themselves.

Danthemailman teaches you must have works after you are saved, otherwise you never really were saved.
Danthemailman has many contradictions in his gospel of salvation by disobedience.

 

[Titus]

Regeneration before faith

Then the gospel does not save us.
We must hear the gospel in oder to believe.

No one can be saved without hearing the gospel.

Acts 2:39,
for the promise is to you and to your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

How does God call us?
Without the gospel?
Before faith in the gospel?
No,
2Thessalonians 2:14,
-to which He called you by our gospel for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That is how God calls sinners
Never before faith in the gospel

 

[mailmandan]

You admitted obedience is in salvation.
Your whole doctrine is faith only and no obedience to Gods commandments.
You do not realize your double talk.

Dan, you teach no obedience to be saved!
Except when you teach the opposite!
Contradictions Dan!
Must I obey the commandment to be baptized, Mark 16:15-16?

You tea h no commandments are to be obeyed to be saved.
Yet faith is a commandment that must be obeyed, 1John 3:23-24.
That makes faith a work, as Jesus taught,
John 6:28-29
Try to get works out of salvation?
You must remove faith from the gospel!

I've already explained this to you numerous times, but I am obviously just wasting my time beating a dead horse. Your lack of understanding and dishonesty makes it impossible to reason with you.

 

[farouk]

Regeneration before faith

Galatians confirms faith as a fruit of the Spirit, chapter 5.....

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Then the gospel does not save us.
We must hear the gospel in oder to believe.

No one can be saved without hearing the gospel.

Acts 2:39,
for the promise is to you and to your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

How does God call us?
Without the gospel?
Before faith in the gospel?
No,
2Thessalonians 2:14,
-to which He called you by our gospel for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That is how God calls sinners
Never before faith in the gospel

if merely hearing the gospel was how people were saved, than everyone would believe and there wouldnt be any atheists in the US. Yet every year, the number of atheists increase.
We are dead in our sins, and no one seeks God on their own. if God does not first regenerate people before they trust in Christ as Savior, that faith is something people produced on their own, making salvation dependent on them instead of on God. Ephesians 2:1 is the key: “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.” Without Christ, people are spiritually dead. Dead people cannot do anything. A spiritually dead person can no more do anything to remedy that situation than a physically dead person can climb out of a grave. Therefore, God must regenerate people, making them spiritually alive, before they can trust in Christ as Savior.
Regeneration before faith

 

[Titus]

I've already explained this to you numerous times, but I am obviously just wasting my time beating a dead horse. Your lack of understanding and dishonesty makes it impossible to reason with you.

Fine,
If you are not going to accept what I am teaching you through the scriptures.
Then look at what you have taught me.
Reason with yourself.
You will find if you are being honest with yourself that you contradict yourself Dan,
James 1:17-25,
-for as he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way and straightway forgeteth what manner of man he was.
-but whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deeds.

 

[Titus]

if merely hearing the gospel was how people were saved, than everyone would believe and there wouldnt be any atheists in the US. Yet every year, the number of atheists increase

Matthew 13:1-30,
Have you not read the parable of sowing the gospel into the hearts of men?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Matthew 13:1-30,
Have you not read the parable of sowing the gospel into the hearts of men?

i have. And that defines the calvinist doctrine of election perfectly.

 

[Titus]

i have. And that defines the calvinist doctrine of election perfectly.

Did you not understand that the gospel is what caused these men to believe or to be lost?

Not once does it teach before one hears the gospel he is born again,
That would contradict many scriptures.
2Thessalonians 2:14,
- whereunto He called you by our gospel.

God calls all men by His gospel.
Not before we hear the gospel as calvinism wrongly teaches.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

If God hasnt called you, how could you believe in the gospel? He has to call you so that you can believe. This is why the “free will” thing is so dangerous. Before anyone is regenerated, they could care less about the gospel or their sin or Jesus’ atonement. Its not untill God regenerates them that they are even able to accept the gospel and have faith. You have to be regenerated first before you’ll ever have faith.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]