How to go to Hell. Pt 1

[Behold]

And what would you say to somebody to who God means dearly too. Like he is my only emotional support in my life for the last decade. God I have no doubts. I can't bring myself to get behind "Jesus". I'm like the doubting Thomas. I have seen a floating head, that gave me an oath by his name...I can't erase that.

What makes you TRUST the bible. To trust what you have learned from it is ACTUALLY from God or God inspired.
I"m not attacking your faith. I'm trying to gain a deeper insight on how the vine was pruned.
One person will say you are blessed by god. Another person will say you do good things and have a passion for message and it brings you deep fufillment to do that.

"""""""""And what would you say to somebody to who God means dearly too. Like he is my only emotional support in my life for the last decade. God I have no doubts. I can't bring myself to get behind "Jesus". I'm like the doubting Thomas. I have seen a floating head, that gave me an oath by his name...I can't erase that. """""""

Jesus said........"If you've seen me, you've seen the Father".

The way i think about Jesus, is that He is the Heart of God and the Love of God, given to me.


"""""""What makes you TRUST the bible. To trust what you have learned from it is ACTUALLY from God or God inspired.
I"m not attacking your faith. I'm trying to gain a deeper insight on how the vine was pruned.
One person will say you are blessed by god. Another person will say you do good things and have a passion for message and it brings you deep fufillment to do that."""""


The way anyone finds out anything for themselves, is not just by being told something about it.
But you try it for yourself, you EXPERIENCE IT, first hand....and then you know.
So, that is why i know that the word of God, is not just a book...
I have listened to it tell me what to know, what to say.
The bible is a Life line. Its a Living Life Source of Spiritual Power that is directly connected to the Living God.
The authors of the bible, they didnt write it....they wrote it down.....

The Bible is alive. Its a living Book... It literally can penetrate your heart, thoughts, intent, motive, and personality.
The bible is Life to those who find it and allow it to prove it.
Bible Study, will allow God to show you things, teach you things, and lead your life into prosperity and away from death and harm and fear and loss.
Its a light and a lamp. Its a literal and spiritual instruction manual .

The bible, actually says, that God elevates His word.......the scriptures, above His own Name.
How do you clean up your life, and find your way in this world ? The word of God will direct you, and it will keep you clean.
It will talk to you when you wake up, and it will lead you when you are confused and needing a real answer to some unexpected LIFE issue.

For example..
When you are standing in the ER, and someone you love is in Intensive Care....car wreck, or some life and death situation... the Bible the words, will come to you......and you can lean on them, and believe them, and they will manifest rescue, healing, and deliverance, when you trust them.
Believe me... you can trust God's word.

 

[AceWestfall08]

I'm bipolar schizophrenic. So i have to be careful about falling into a religious delusion. It has happened to me in the past. That is what happens to me when I start blindly believing in something. The first time, because i read about the rich man refusing to sell his goods and pick up his cross....I gave away all my possessions to a mormon church and quit my job. Believing that god would take care of me and provide for me. I bought into this. What ended up happened was me being diagnosed schizophrenic. Which in the long term ended the relationship with my Dad. Lost a couple other jobs because of other delusions as well. Been pretty much Shunned.

Some of us are so desperate for love, we take things a bit too far. Or too literal.

 

[Behold]

Ok, let me ask you this. How do you feel about the people in the past that came after Jesus, but did not hear the gospel. The native americans for example. I'm sure there are some of those people who did not hear the gospel but wanted a relationship with God. They did not believe or accept salvation, but they were honest in their hearts. Are they saved? Is the sacrifice for those people as well? But because they didn't hear about Jesus, they don't get the opportunity? Thats my problem. Its a philosophical question.

Good question.

I think that God has the ability to talk to the indigenous people's you are referring to, and did, and does, and he does not need to use a cell phone, or the internet, or a preacher.
They learned the Native American Indian, for example, about the "Great Spirit" long before the United States stole their land, killed many of them, and stuck them on dirt road reservations.

We are told to "go into all the world and share the Gospel, and make disciples"...which means to lead them to Salvation, then disciple them and water baptize them.
All of my Posts and Threads, are discipling the readers.
All of God's real servants are obsessed with the Cross, the blood of Jesus, and trying to present how to understand this amazing Grace, to everyone.
To the trees, to the animals.
Its funny perhaps, but the called out, the preachers, will preach to themselves, to trees, to the sky, to their family......to everything, as they have to PREACH.
That is one of the ways, you know God is calling you into his work.
"can you ever stop talking about JESUS">.. You never stop....can you stop"..... !!!!
See that?
No they can't.
No i can't.
And you notice preachers and teachers.........notice if they talk about Jesus, or if they dont. Do they talk about the CROSS, most of all, or if they dont.
If they dont, you are dealing with a religious person, generally, who want you to perceive them as being "spiritual".
Keep an eye out for those as they are Legion.

The called....by God.... are in a compulsion that Paul talks about, to tirelessly talk about God coming here to resolve what is keeping us apart.
He did it. He talked about Christ Crucified, and didnt want to talk about anything else.
The false teacher, and the false denominations, dont talk about the Cross of Christ, because it is not a part of them, tho they will pretend......

JESUS.... really came down from heaven. He really went to the Cross for the sin of the world....for everyone., and this TRUTH is a burning compulsion in His called.
Paul said that if he was not talking about Christ and the Cross, then "woe is me". and He didnt mean that God would be angry, HE meant that it was like smothering, or drowning, to not release this fire of evangelism....to not preach the Cross was an agony for him, if he could not do it freely and constantly.

Listen, dont worry about people who live in tree houses in forests that have yet to be discovered, as God knows they are there, and God will supply what they need, just like He will supply what you need, most of all.

 

[Behold]

I'm bipolar schizophrenic..

Yes i know, or let me say i recognized that you were thinking in a way that processed info, in a unique way.
I realized it a couple of post's ago., that you have some interesting thought processes ... is what i discerned at first... or something that is unique, in this regard... and now you have labeled it.
Here is the thing.
Bill Gates is Autistic and he is, i think, still the richest man on the planet.
So, having a unique interaction of the world and of society, can be a good thing, if used correctly.
My Favorite Saint, is St. Francis, and he talked to animals, and wrote poetry about "Brother Sun and Sister Moon".
John the Baptist wore animal skin, ate insects, and water baptized Jesus The Christ.

I dont recognize what you deal with as mental issues, or mental illness. I only recognize you as perceiving the world in a way that is uniquely yours.
The world is an evil place, so, you have to be careful where you go, and who you trust.
God will never lie to you. And the Bible will never lie to you.
A real Minister will never try to get you involved in anything that does not give honor and praise to God, and the Cross of Christ, first and foremost.

I'll talk to you later.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

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I could post your last 100 posts that dont talk about the Cross, but do endlessly talk about "faith and works"...

Faith means faith in the cross. When me and the Bible talk about having faith that means having faith in the work of the cross. Every time I say ‘faith’ I mean faith in the blood of Christ.

The person who does not have faith is not born again. It doesn’t matter if they never had it or lost it. Either way they are not saved. They are not born again.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That verse is saying that boasting is EXCLUDED.............that the idea of a person wanting to BOAST about their own righteousness, is what is EXCLUDED, because God's Salvation denies this..........as God's salvation is based on FAITH.​

You say people are boasting about their faith just like one would boast about works. Problem is you invented an accusation that doesn't exist because it can't exist:

24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith.
Romans 3:24-27
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Because of the nature of the sacrifice of Christ and how it is applied to our lives no boast exists, yet you say people with faith in the blood of Christ are somehow boasting. As we can see, no such boast exists. Just because the Bible says you have to have faith doesn't make that a boast.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Its the unbelievers who go to hell, and its the born again who go to Heaven.

Jesus didnt die to save you from Hell, so that you can go there for a while and hang out.
Jesus is the way to HEAVEN, not the way to Hell.

There are no born again in Hell, and there are no Christ rejectors in Heaven.

SONS of God, the born again, will not go to the DEVIL, as Hell is made for the DEVIL and His Angels.

Matthew 25:41

Perhaps you are unaware of what hell is Be, would you like to discuss what it is?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes.
And then heretics leave that truth and come on forums and lie to real believers and tell them that if they lose their faith, they lost their salvation, which actually means they stop being born again.
You would understand this type of heresy, better than most, Ferris Bueller.

The heresy is saying those who stop believing are still saved. That is a joke. Whether you never really believed, or stopped believing, doesn't matter. You are an unbeliever, and unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom. They will go to the lake of fire. In the end, useless, barren, thorny ground is burned. That's what the Bible says (Hebrews 6:8). You are teaching heresy.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ive always responded to your legalism., if i see it, and that is everytime you are on own one of my Threads preaching it.

Remember?
You are the person that can lose your salvation if you dont hold on to your Savior = FAITH.

Did you want to rant about that a bit more today, or are you good till another time?

Because you are not familiar with the scriptures you don't realize that you are saying the Bible is legalistic, because it says we must hold fast to the gospel we heard, and were saved by, to remain in salvation:

"1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

"24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you." 1 John 2:24-26
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What's interesting is John says he's writing that about those who, like you, deceive people by saying they do not have to continue to believe the gospel in order to be saved and remain in the Father and the Son and in the promise of eternal life.

Can real believers actually stop believing, or is it people who never really believed who seemingly stop believing? What does it matter? You're damned either way if you don't believe and keep believing the gospel. The important matter is that people know if they are really saved to begin with. But the church doesn't like to talk about that because that would be 'judging'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Perhaps you are unaware of what hell is Be, would you like to discuss what it is?

Whatever the exact nature of hell is, isn't it more important that we talk about how to not go to hell? Believing in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin and continuing to believe in it is how a person doesn't go to hell and the lake of fire. And we know that we are doing that believing that delivers from damnation by if we have the life changing Holy Spirit in us in a converted life. That is what we need to talk about. But that is rarely a topic of discussion because that is considered to be 'judging'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ok, let me ask you this. How do you feel about the people in the past that came after Jesus, but did not hear the gospel. The native americans for example. I'm sure there are some of those people who did not hear the gospel but wanted a relationship with God. They did not believe or accept salvation, but they were honest in their hearts. Are they saved? Is the sacrifice for those people as well? But because they didn't hear about Jesus, they don't get the opportunity? Thats my problem. Its a philosophical question.

The answer is in Romans 2:12-16

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel. ​

 

[theefaith]

Jesus died for the Sin of the world. John 3:16

"Jesus BECAME Sin"... 2 Corinthians 5:21

See that?
When you are born again, God has placed YOUR SIN, all of it, on Christ, and you receive "the righteousness of God", in Christ.

Your SIN, is on JESUS, who died for the "sin of the world". 1 John 2:2

Reader, let me show you the WONDER of this "sin bearer" who has your sin, if you are born again.
Notice that Jesus's blood and death on the Cross, IS for the sin of the WORLD.
See it?
So, if the blood atonement takes care of the entire world's sin........SURELY it can deal with yours for a few more years, and has..

"The Gift of Salvation" is a wonder and a miracle.
Thank you JESUS !!

so all are saved???

yes there is only one savior and one redemption and one atonement but faith alone is not how it’s applied to our souls!

faith and baptism!

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

“Faith alone” produces absolutely NOTHING!
Certainly not eternal salvation!


Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

 

[amadeus]

The answer is in Romans 2:12-16

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel. ​

Amen... and did not Jesus include such people here as well?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Then again, what did the eunuch reading from Isaiah know of God? Why and how did he get that book? Why did God send Philip to him? [see Acts 8:27ff]

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

John 3:36 defines every unbeliever, both alive, or dead.

People in general, and Christians, many of them, think that a person goes to hell for : "a lifetime of sinning".
Not at all.
See, you'll die "in your sins" if you die a Christ rejector, but that is not why God judges you, after you die.

The reality is, there is only one SIN that God will Judge you for, AFTER you die.
= The Unpardonable sin.
What is that?
Well, you can read Hebrews 10:26 and find a group of Hebrews committing it, as Paul is preaching Jesus to them.

They are committing the unpardonable sin.

= A.) Christ Rejection.

How does that work?

Reader....

Christ is the Pardon. Christ is the Redemption. Christ is the Grace of God. Christ is Salvation. Christ is the Blood Atonement. Christ is Eternal Life.
He is ALL THAT and MORE.

See all that, Reader?
So, if you die rejecting Christ........ notice what you have rejected.

The eternal math works likes this.
If your Reject Pardon, you die un-pardoned.
CHRIST IS THE PARDON. He's God's Forgiveness.
So, if you die a Christ Rejector, = never born again.........

=> You have committed The Unpardonable sin of dying a Christ Rejector, and God will JUDGE YOU.

However, If you have trusted Christ and Christ is in you, and you are born again, "one with God", "the righteousness of God in Christ".....then God can't judge you in Eternity, as you have already solved that eternal judgment on Earth. = born again.
This is why you meet God as YOUR FATHER, and not as your Eternal Judge.

We have to understand that the Greek word that was used in scripture when the Bible was translated into the greek language was Hades. So in Bible's translated into the English language where the Greek word Hades was in scripture has been translated as Hell. Hades represents the same thing as Sheol does in the hebrew language which is the common grave of mankind. Everyone goes to Sheol, Hades, Hell when they die. Those who believe that Sheol, Hades or Hell is a place where people are burned with fire for eternity is a pagan concept not scripture. All those who have went to Sheol, Hades or Hell, when they died will get a resurrection.

Hebrews 10:26 is speaking about those that have accepted Jesus as their savior then for some reason they decide to renounce the provision of the Only Begotten Son of God as savior and have esteemed his sacrifice as having no redeeming value. Hebrews 6: 4-6 helps one to understand what Paul is talking about in Hebrews 10:26. So the scriptures don't judge such people of this sin after their death but such people have been judged by God for committing the unforgivable sin while they're still living. Such people will not even be resurrected from the dead because God would have already judged them for the unforgivable sin.

 

[theefaith]

And all the true apostles would have warned out against the CC . COME YE OUT THEE FAITH , Fore its too late .

The most Common form of blasphemy!

Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!

They put themselves in the place of God!

God alone can determine truth and morals!

We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!

Pride, presumption, and arrogance are the high virtures of Protestantism fundamentalism!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is truth!
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31

 

[theefaith]

And the reason is that probably 90% of what the church, and Christians CALL "FAITH" (Heb 11:1) isn't FAITH AT ALL - it's just religious mental assent.



SO you believe in "Salvation by WORKS" - i.e. it's UP TO YOU to "Do enough to merit salvation".

"OSAS" is nothing more than "just another theology".

not depends on when you are saved!

now? No!

But if we endure to the end of life and are saved, then it’s true once saved always saved!
Matt 24:13

 

[amigo de christo]

The most Common form of blasphemy!

Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!

They put themselves in the place of God!

God alone can determine truth and morals!

We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!

Pride, presumption, and arrogance are the high virtures of Protestantism fundamentalism!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is truth!
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31

Reread your first two lines . You and your church are the ones guilty of this , Yet you accuse me .
Yalls church has made this very claim , ONLY YE CAN KNOW THE TRUTH THROUGH US , WE ARE THE ONLY CHURCH
THEY put themselves in the stead of GOD and yet DENY the GOD of that bible through their own traditions .
I never claimed i was the only arbriter of TRUTH . I SIMPLY POINT TO HE who IS and to HIS HOLY BOOK that bible
where all would grow wise unto salvation through faith in CHRIST . Yalls church is the ONE GUILTY of what
you are desperately trying to accuse me of ....
I POINT TO THE JESUS OF SAID BIBLE , TO THE GOD of said bible . THE RCC says men like me are lost
cause i am not of them . THEY SOLD you all a bill of goods my friend . THEY are guilty of this very thing .
But you cannot see it . You simply trust them at their every word . WHEREAS I read that bible
and i test all men who do speak . YOU are in dire and grave danger my friend . Your guilty of what you accuse me of ,
YET i never pointed to me , I POINTED to CHRIST , TO GOD , and told folks LEARN that BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES .

 

[theefaith]

Again, you are teaching "continue to believe" as how to be saved.
In other words, you are teaching that holding on to faith, saves you, and losing faith, damns you.

That is Cross rejecting, Legalism, you are preaching, again.

You never can say that Jesus saves you, ... as you can only say that your faith saves you, if you keep it.
That's Legalism.

No one can say biblically that they are saved until the hour of death!
Matt 24:13 and 20 other verses

 

[amigo de christo]

No one can say biblically that they are saved until the hour of death!
Matt 24:13 and 20 other verses

Rather odd what JOHN told the church . HE said i write these things that YE MAY KNOW , AS IN KNOW that ye have eternal life .
Now if folks dont continue in Christ , then yah they gonna wail on that day .

 

[amigo de christo]

No one can say biblically that they are saved until the hour of death!
Matt 24:13 and 20 other verses

WHERE is your faith then . It must be in your own works . AS FOR ME , I KNOW I am saved ,
cause i believe in CHRIST JESUS who already did all that was needful for me to be saved .
I already know that a hearer only has decieved themselves , but soo too has the one who
has no TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST as the absolute and only means by which one can be saved .
YOU are in dire andgrave danger . NOW i already remind all to also CONTINUE IN CHRIST TO THE END .
BUT where is your faith . Cause it dont sound like its in CHRIST at all . COME YE OUT OF THE CC
and NO i aint pointing you to the protestant realm either . TOO many of them have long tanked .
OPEN BIBLE , READ BIBLE , LOVE THOSE WORDS , LEARN that CHRIST , learn HIS doctrine
Learn the apostles doctrine . AND as i always tell ya , TEST ALL MEN .