The soon coming rapture?

[Cross8527]

Honestly does it really matter whether it pre mid or post trib? What matters is to have our hearts prepared. if the pre tobbers are right then their hope was right and they get to go home and live in that joyous gglourious event, if the mid and post tribbers were right and the pre tribbers didn't prepare their hearts for the tribulation then they will have to endure and grow strong with everyone else and hopefully their faith in Christ is strong enough to endure till the end as well as anyone else who claims to be that of Christ.
There is evidence to support each view depending on how you look at scripture so each view can say that they hold the truth I have seen how this debate goes and trust me no one is going to win this debate and no one is going to change anyones mind

I mean honestly in everyones experience in such debates how often have you been able to prove your stance and actually change a opposing persons understanding? debating is all well and good and iron does sharpen iron but remember as well that a debate is only as good as the fruits it produces once the fruits of the spirit no longer are produced that debate has lost it's value. so debate and learn and grow but do so in the correct way do so not to prove others wrong or prove your view to be the correct one but to learn grown and mature as a believer

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are quick to be offended, and quick to make personal accusations, when one does not agree with you.

No, I'm not quick to be offended. Remember, you don't know me. Stop acting like you do.

Little children do not read adult Bibles. They come without a pre-conceived notions, then hear and learn.
Jesus’ teaching.
Toddler Bible quip is not an insult, it’s a suggestion, as Jesus’ taught.

It was intended as an insult, and you know it. Stop being dishonest. I don't have any pre-conceived notions. I'm not some new Christian who has never studied these things before. I've been studying scripture for many years. In almost every case I've come across, it is those who believe in a pre-trib rapture who base their belief on pre-conceived notions rather than interpreting scripture objectively.

 

[Truth7t7]

EXACTLY. And yet you have the Church GOING THRU the wrath of God. The Church isn't even on earth during the tribulation, let alone the wrath of God (God's people are not appointed to wrath). We can see the Church in heaven before the seals are opened. The tribulation occurs during the first 5 seals.

It is the 144,000 that are sealed and they are of the 12 tribes of Israel and are not the Church. And this is so far over you head that I'm not sure why I am even mentioning it. Those 144,000 are not on earth during Rev 9 anyway. But to understand that you would need to understand that the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet so what you see in Rev 14 occurs back in the seals, before wrath begins. So the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth before wrath, but like I said, you won't be able to get that.
It's as simple as this. You are wrong and don't know what you are talking about. If Jesus returns and the dead are raised on the last day and there is one last day, how can this happen?
Rev 20
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

We Disagree

The church will be present on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation, a pre-trib rapture is found no place in scripture, only the wicked will be subject to the plagues on earth, the righteous are protected like the Hebrews in Egypt

Jesus returns in fire and final judge.ent (The End), There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, it will be dissolved by fire (Gone)

 

[Truth7t7]

Back in the '70s, I personally WATCHED Christians from all sorts of Denominational backgrounds "come together" as one for a few brief GLORIUS years, as the Holy Spirit was "ON US" in a strong way, and we all SAW SOMETHING much higher THAN NORMAL DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANITY. THE "PRECIOUS DOCTRINES" that we fought over became very unimportant in the light of the Holy Spirit that united us. so I've SEEN the Church come together already, and seen HOW QUICKLY the Holy Spirit can get 'er done when He chooses to do so.

The Jesus Movement of the 70's, I was there

Calvary Chapel, Mustard Seed Faith, Benny Hester, Love Song, 2 Chapter Of Acts, Bob Bennet, Love Song, Darrel Mansfield, Street preaching everywhere

A different world now, the word being preached in public is silent, hard to find a Jesus sticker on a vehicle in California now days

 

[bbyrd009]

I absolutely, totally agree with your astute opinion. We should find the real rapture in Songs.

Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

Nice call. If you are looking for the secret pretribulation, look in songs.

I have never seen the need to twist scripture, and am not aware of such. Would you please produce just one example of someone twisting scripture to prove the pretribulation rapture?

^
so, that might be a reference to your harpazo, but the sense i get is that she is being called away from the world, and not the earth, which Paul gives a great passage on already

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: soon coming rapture?
I resemble these remarks = pre-tribbers:

"...have Pre-conceived notions"
"...cannot interpret Scripture objectively"
"...twist Scriptures to prove pre-trib"
"...Great GRACE Departure not found anywhere in Scripture"???:​

I believe the pre-trib rapture theory is by far the weakest, most unsupportable doctrine that exists in eschatology.

Well, let's check God's Holy Scriptures...

Precious friends, it really is OK = "IF we suffer for Him, we will reign
With Him," After "He Descends, Gathers us Together and Judges us"
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15), after Great GRACE Departure!

Not with twisted, But Rightly Divided Scriptures?:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

To be continued...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The [Last GRACE] Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)
Note: The First GRACE Trump (Voice) Of God, Was In Acts 9:4!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

GRACE And Peace! The apostle of GRACE (2 Min With The BIBLE)

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

 

[Taken]

No, I'm not quick to be offended. Remember, you don't know me. Stop acting like you do.

It was intended as an insult, and you know it. Stop being dishonest. I don't have any pre-conceived notions. I'm not some new Christian who has never studied these things before. I've been studying scripture for many years. In almost every case I've come across, it is those who believe in a pre-trib rapture who base their belief on pre-conceived notions rather than interpreting scripture objectively.

My error. Not dishonest. Almost mistook you for a bother IN Christ.
Apologize. I won’t make that mistake again.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

TRIBULATIONS, I found 29 words synonymous with this words definition.NOT ONE DEFINITION IT MEANT WRATH.
Rapture no such word in KJV,means intense feeling of pleasure or joy.

Rms.5:3
And not only so, but we GLORY in tribulations also: KNOWING that tribulations worketh PATIENCE; Rms. 8:35
1Thess.3:4
For verily, when we were with you,we told you before that we should SUFFER tribulations; even as it came to pass,and ye know.

From our Lord Jesus: Mark 13:22-25 ( in context)
For FALSE CHRISTS and FALSE PROPHETS shall rise,and shall shew signs and wonders to seduce,if it were possible even the ELECT.
But take ye heed: behold I have foretold you all things.
But in THOSE DAYS,after that TRIBULATION, the SUN shall be darkened,and the MOON shall not give her light,
And the STARS of HEAVEN shall fall, and the POWERS that are in HEAVEN shall be shaken.
Mt.24:21
The GREAT TRIBULATIONS has NOT EVER BEEN BEFORE SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN AND WILL EVER BE AGAIN.........THE END IS HERE.

Wrath is extreme intense anger with a vengeance.
Rms.2: 3-6
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But after they hardness and impenitent heart treasures up unto thyself wrath against the DAY OF WRATH and Revelation of the righteous judgements of God;
Who will render to EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

1Thess.5:9 (7-10 ,in context)
FOR GOD HATH.....NOT....APPOINTED US TO WRATH,.......BUT TO OBTAIN SALVATION BY OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Some so called BELIEVERS are so very un Christ like in their speech toward others and we shall all give account for our speaking.
Brotherly love is supposed to reign among us so the world will know we follow Jesus.

 

[Taken]

The soon coming rapture?
OP ^

No doubt the “kings” of this World are all in “agreement” of “resetting the World” to their Ideology, that THEY are the “peacemakers, the safety providers and saviors of the World”.

Mask your mouth, Distance from Others, Close the Churches, Cut off the communication platforms....any an all efforts to prevent men from HEARING the TRUE Savior.

Nothing to suspect...uh

 

[The Light]

Disagree.
He...(Son of man) does not “return to the clouds”, at the 6th Seal.

LOL. God is something else isn't He. It's like the Jews that are blinded and can't see Christ until after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Christians are blind to what is right in front of them. There is no way I can possibly explain this better than what is written in scripture. I'll hash it one more time, though I expect the same results, no matter how crystal clear it is. I think God just laughs.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The sun and moon become dark and the stars fall from heaven......AT THE 6TH SEAL. The sun and moon are dark and the stars fall from heaven IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION when Jesus returns.

That means Jesus returns at the 6th seal. I am positive that you are unable to see what is right in front of you. How is this possible? God just laughs.

 

[n2thelight]

Understand

Honestly does it really matter whether it pre mid or post trib? What matters is to have our hearts prepared. if the pre tobbers are right then their hope was right and they get to go home and live in that joyous gglourious event, if the mid and post tribbers were right and the pre tribbers didn't prepare their hearts for the tribulation then they will have to endure and grow strong with everyone else and hopefully their faith in Christ is strong enough to endure till the end as well as anyone else who claims to be that of Christ.
There is evidence to support each view depending on how you look at scripture so each view can say that they hold the truth I have seen how this debate goes and trust me no one is going to win this debate and no one is going to change anyones mind

I mean honestly in everyones experience in such debates how often have you been able to prove your stance and actually change a opposing persons understanding? debating is all well and good and iron does sharpen iron but remember as well that a debate is only as good as the fruits it produces once the fruits of the spirit no longer are produced that debate has lost it's value. so debate and learn and grow but do so in the correct way do so not to prove others wrong or prove your view to be the correct one but to learn grown and mature as a believer

Yes it does matter because one must know that satan comes first

 

[ewq1938]

Ground is the solid surface of the Earth.
The Earth is Dry Land.
What does that have to do with Clouds?



Keep looking. Men are saved during the Tribulation.

Then you should easily be able to quote the bible saying that happens. Otherwise, it's made up fiction.

 

[ewq1938]

You may not understand that Armageddon is over by the time the 7th trumpet sounds

This is impossible. You don't have a solid grasp on Revelation else you wouldn't say something so incredibly unscriptural.

Christ does not even leave heaven until the 7th trump sounds, and he is seen arriving from heaven in Revelation 19 and is ABOVE the area of Armageddon. The order of events is the 7th trump sounds, Christ leaves heaven and arrives about the area of Armageddon to slay the army there.

 

[The Light]

No, it most definitely is not. I believe the pre-trib rapture theory is by far the weakest, most unsupportable doctrine that exists in eschatology.

It's easy to support. All you have to do is read. Who are the elders in Rev 4? Who are the kings and priests in Rev 5? I could go on and on and on.

Matthew 24:29-31 is clearly the same event as 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, but pre-tribs turn them into separate events. There's one example.

How could you possibly think that the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the coming of Jesus in 1 thes 4. In Matt 31 JESUS SENDS HIS ANGELS. In 1 Thes 4 THE LORD HIMSELF COMES. Two completely different comings. The coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the coming of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 15. This coming happens at the last trump. The coming in of Jesus in 1 Thes 4 occurs at the trump of God or voice of God. How do you not notice these differences?
Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Also, pre-tribs try to turn the one future coming of the Son of man that Jesus talked about in the Olivet Discourse into two future comings of the Son of man even though Jesus Himself never gave any indication that He was coming from heaven more than once in the future.

Sure He did. He tells you He is coming more than once right here.
Luke 17
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

So you think He is coming once? Actually, He is coming for the dead in Christ. He is coming for His Church before the seals are opened. He is coming for the 144,000 as first fruits. He is coming immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal for His elect from heaven and earth and He is coming at the end of WRATH. That would be 5 comings that I am aware of.

What is your point here? Matthew 24:44 is about the same coming of the Son of man that Matthew 24:27-31 references. You appear to be saying otherwise? What is the basis for thinking that the coming of Christ referenced in Matthew 24:44 is a different coming of Christ than the one referenced in Matthew 24:27-31?

Jesus is coming when you think not. We can tell it is before the seals are opened as the 1st 4 seals are the beginning of sorrows that we are told about in Matthew. In Luke 21 we are told we can ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN. So we can escape the events of the seals.

 

[The Light]

This is impossible. You don't have a solid grasp on Revelation else you wouldn't say something so incredibly unscriptural.

Christ does not even leave heaven until the 7th trump sounds, and he is seen arriving from heaven in Revelation 19 and is ABOVE the area of Armageddon. The order of events is the 7th trump sounds, Christ leaves heaven and arrives about the area of Armageddon to slay the army there.

Are you not able to comprehend that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord that Jesus has returned and set up His kingdom? Just use common sense. What do you think is happening at the 7th trumpet. JESUS HAS RETURNED AND SET UP HIS KINGDOM.
Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

We have further support that the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet in Rev 10.
Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Just read what it says. We don't have to make up anything. Just use common sense.

 

[The Light]

This is impossible. You don't have a solid grasp on Revelation else you wouldn't say something so incredibly unscriptural.

Christ does not even leave heaven until the 7th trump sounds, and he is seen arriving from heaven in Revelation 19 and is ABOVE the area of Armageddon. The order of events is the 7th trump sounds, Christ leaves heaven and arrives about the area of Armageddon to slay the army there.

And what do you think this is. We see Jesus has returned BEFORE the wrath of God which cannot happen until the 7th seal is opened.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Also Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the second harvest........immediately after the tribulation......which is the 1st 5 seals.

 

[ewq1938]

Are you not able to comprehend that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord that Jesus has returned and set up His kingdom? Just use common sense. What do you think is happening at the 7th trumpet. JESUS HAS RETURNED AND SET UP HIS KINGDOM.
Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

That has nothing to do with when the 7th trump and when Armageddon happens.

Christ does not even leave heaven until the 7th trump sounds, and he is seen arriving from heaven in Revelation 19 and is ABOVE the area of Armageddon. The order of events is the 7th trump sounds, Christ leaves heaven and arrives about the area of Armageddon to slay the army there.

 

[n2thelight]

Then you should easily be able to quote the bible saying that happens. Otherwise, it's made up fiction.

Yes people during the tribulation will come to Christ , even those who had fallen away will come back

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

This is a warning direct from God through this mighty angel. "You come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins."

The plagues will follow after this warning, and if you are with her, you will receive the plagues also, for God is warning you; and they will come.

When the Holy Spirit speaks again , not like this babble happening now (another subject) many will come back

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the final day of this earth age. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."

Acts 2:16: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

We can read this prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. These sons and daughters shall speak in a cloven tongue, as recorded in Acts 2:6; meaning that the language that they shall speak in will need no interpreter, for every one that hears will hear in their native tongue of the dialect of the neighborhood they grew up in. This is the way that the gospel will go forth in the last days, for it is the evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. These sons and daughters will speak, as stated in Mark 13:11, but whatsoever words they do speak in that hour, it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

When this happens , many will understand the errors of their ways , many will not, those who do not are like the below

Revelation 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"

All mankind except for God's elect, the remnant, and the 144,000 of chapter seven, will be part of Satan's [Antichrist's] kingdom. When the rest of the Christians see our Lord Jesus Christ coming, they will all know immediately what they have done. Then the shame will be great, to the point of wishing to perish, if it were possible. But it will not be possible for all souls will be changed into their incorruptible bodies at the coming of Christ. I Corinthians 15:50-54 reveals that no flesh and blood can nor will exist at that time, nor will any of the things dealing with the flesh body exist.

Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

This bears repeating, but if you simply cannot understand that the Antichrist comes first, before Jesus Christ's return, you will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ. This verse is describing how you will feel when you see the true Christ at the seventh trumpet. The fear will be so great that it will be a terror to your mind for the sins that you have committed in worshipping the false christ.

Revelation 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Many Christians have been taught that at Christ's coming, the wrath of God is out to bury you, and destroy the entire earth. God, in the minds of most Christians, has the image of a harsh destroyer, instead of the loving and compassionate friend that we have in Him. By their own teaching, most of the church world condemn themselves.

The wrath of the lamb, will not let one soul slip from Him in ignorance. The judgment comes following 1000 years of Christ's kingdom [the millennium]. Revelation 6:16-17 sets the frame of mind for all those who have allowed the Kenites to interpret the Scriptures for them. They will have listened to false teachings in ignorance and not what God's Word had promised us.

This entire chapter leads us to that one great "Day of the Lord", and Christ's return at the seventh trumpet.