Wrangler
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False as Peter is ...
Still not an answer to my question; If Jesus were God, why would he say he has a God and his God is the only true God?
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False as Peter is ...
lol you ran from 2 Peter 1:1You are peddling the falsehood. Every Epistle's prologue recognizes God the Father and a separate being, Jesus, including Peter.
May grace and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus, the Anointed One, surround you. First, I thank my God through Jesus the Anointed for all of you. Romans 1:7-8
I pray that God our Father and the Lord Jesus, the Anointed One, will shower you with grace and peace. 1 Cor 1:3
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2
I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2
May God our Father give you grace and peace. Colossians 1:2
We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1
May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.1 & 2 Timothy 1:2
May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3
For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.” God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son. Hebrews 1:5
Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring. James 1:27
God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. 1 Peter 1:2
when he received honor and glory from God the Father. 2 Peter 1:17
We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)
Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father. 2 John 1:3
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. Revelation 1:6
1 John 5:20 calls Him the true God.Still not an answer to my question; If Jesus were God, why would he say he has a God and his God is the only true God?
You are not able to answer questions. All you do is throw one thing after another that you think supports your position. However, your failure to entertain my one question, entertain evidence contrary to your position, shows the weakness of it.1 John 5:20 calls Him the true God.
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He is also a man. Let me know when you can come up with a real argument/ objection.You are not able to answer questions. All you do is throw one thing after another that you think supports your position. However, your failure to entertain my one question, entertain evidence contrary to your position, shows the weakness of it.
If Jesus were God, why would he say he has a God and his God is the only true God?
......................................1 John 5:20 calls Him the true God.
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Wrong I just proved all your beliefs are false concerning Christ .Wrong. His Father alone is God. This word game of 'the great I Am' is ridiculous and @Pierac knocked it out of the park yesterday.
Wrong. Jesus’ great I am was admitting he was the Messiah, not God incarnate. See Mark 14:62-62.Wrong I just proved all your beliefs are false concerning Christ .
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Of course He was the Messiah since the messiah is Divine.Wrong. Jesus’ great I am was admitting he was the Messiah, not God incarnate. See Mark 14:62-62.
Of course He was the Messiah since the messiah is Divine.
If Scripture seems to contradict itself then we should think that we must have misunderstood part of it. In the case of Titus 2:13 (WEB):
(13) looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ;
you have understood it to mean that Jesus is both God and Saviour. However, that is in contradiction to many other verses of Gods' word (and God would not contradict Himself), so we should look for a different, more harmonious meaning. The verse is talking about the glory of God and the glory of our Saviour. Compare with Matthew 16:27 and 25:31 (WEB):
(16:27) For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will render to everyone according to his deeds.
(25:31) “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
John saw Jesus in his glory when he was transfigured, and so he wrote, John 1:14:
(14) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus also talked of his glory, John 17:24:
(24) Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
God has glory, and so does Jesus. Titus 2:13 is referring to the appearing of the glory of God and also the glory of Jesus.
Similarly in 2 Peter 1:1:
(1) Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
The subject is the righteousness; again it's not saying that Jesus is both God and Saviour, it's saying that God is righteous, and so also is Jesus.
Why do you keep being so insulting and accusing to anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Bible? You're not showing Christian love, you're displaying the spirit of Satan - Revelation 12:10 (WEB):... in the evil manner which you think applies.
@APAK @Wrangler @tigger 2 @XFire (the 4 of you are included because of your likes of keithr's post) and keithr are linguistic fools.
keithr, you wickedly neglected the Apostle John ... wickedly applaud your wickedness, so you all are "evil men and impostors" ...
Amen. It's sad that we cannot at least discuss these matters on one's heart with more of an approach of patience and care for one another in the process. Feelings get hurt and it's inevitable. I also have been quick to react and prematurely at times. I love it when I see amazingly and surprisingly within me, the fruits of the Spirit bursting out in full bloom. And yet there are seasons within my life where this fruit is slow in coming.Why do you keep being so insulting and accusing to anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Bible? You're not showing Christian love, you're displaying the spirit of Satan - Revelation 12:10 (WEB):
(10) I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, the power, and the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ has come; for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night.
James 3:6-12 (WEB):
(6) And the tongue is a fire. The world of iniquity among our members is the tongue, which defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature, and is set on fire by Gehenna.
(7) For every kind of animal, bird, creeping thing, and sea creature, is tamed, and has been tamed by mankind;
(8) but nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
(9) With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God.
(10) Out of the same mouth comes blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
(11) Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?
(12) Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.
Romans 15:3-7 (WEB):
(3) For even Christ didn’t please himself. But, as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me.”
(4) For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that through perseverance and through encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
(5) Now the God of perseverance and of encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus,
(6) that with one accord you may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(7) Therefore accept one another, even as Christ also accepted you, to the glory of God.
2 Corinthians 1:3 (WEB):
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;