How to go to Hell. Pt 1

[Ferris Bueller]

that verse refers to works alone!

No, it's referring to faith without works:

"5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" Romans 4:6-6
​

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, andpatience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

These are the things that the righteous person does AFTER they have been made righteous by faith without works. Faith comes first, which makes you a righteous person, then you do righteous works:

"...faith, expressed through love." Galatians 5:6

"47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much." Luke 7:47​

You Catholics have it backwards; you do things to be made righteous. That's the works gospel by which no man will be made righteous before God.

 

[amigo de christo]

No, it's referring to faith without works:

"5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" Romans 4:6-6
​

These are the things that the righteous person does AFTER they have been made righteous by faith apart from and without works. Faith comes first, which makes you a righteous person, then you do righteous works:

"...faith, expressed through love." Galatians 5:6​

You Catholics have it backwards; you do things to be made righteous. That's the works gospel by which no man will be made righteous before God.

ED ZACH LEE .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Thats not how it works.
Let me show you.

God accepts your faith, to then MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS.
See that?
Its not your faith in God that does that...>Its GOD HIMSELF doing that

Being saved by faith instead of works means having faith in the blood of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin:

"God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood" Romans 3:25​

 

[theefaith]

It dont mean what pope francis says it does . Notice that cornelious actually worshipped THE GOD of THE JEWS .
NOT the muslim one or the buddist one , he was not an athiest who did good works .
Since we are on this note , however . Lets talk about cornelious and prove how false this pope truly is .
Francis claims if muslims buddists , whateverists simple do good works and have them some lovey lovey this means
they worship the same GOD we do . WRONG . Nor can those good works save them either .
FOR PROOF . Lets look real close at cornelious . Now you wont hear this from pope francis , BUT I Will tell ya it .
Cornelious did worship GOD , HE did give much alms to the poor , many prayers .
But was he saved . He had to hear something and believe to BE SAVED .
THUS GOD sent PETER to preach the gospel . OOPS pope francis would call even peter a false christian cause he PROLESYTIZED .
But anyway . Peter later tells the church at JERSUALEM about this . FOR they had heard that he had went in and ate with gentiles .
SO the true apostel peter , well He told them all about the VISION from GOD
and then Said , And i told them Words whereby HE and His household must be SAVED . Apparently francis is dead wrong .
But i think you know that . My point is , NO FAITH IN JESUS aint gonna save anyone .
AND if one has faith yet not works , WELL their faith is dead . JUST LIKE MINE once was .

It's right here:

24As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone. James 2:24​

The problem is you keep confusing it with "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6).

Righteousness apart from works refers to righteousness Christ attained by his redemption

 

[theefaith]

No, it's referring to faith without works:

"5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" Romans 4:6-6
​

These are the things that the righteous person does AFTER they have been made righteous by faith without works. Faith comes first, which makes you a righteous person, then you do righteous works:

"...faith, expressed through love." Galatians 5:6

"47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much." Luke 7:47​

You Catholics have it backwards; you do things to be made righteous. That's the works gospel by which no man will be made righteous before God.

1st things first

you must be in Christ!

how do you put on Christ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Righteousness apart from works refers to righteousness Christ attained by his redemption

It refers to the righteousness that Abraham received and which comes from God by having faith in the promise of a son. As opposed to the righteousness achieved by performing righteous works. Protestants rely on the former, while Catholics major in the latter.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

1st things first

you must be in Christ!

how do you put on Christ?

You believe and receive the word of the gospel in faith, believing.

"13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" Ephesians 1:13​

 

[theefaith]

It refers to the righteousness that Abraham received and which comes from God by having faith in the promise of a son. As opposed to the righteousness achieved by performing righteous works. Protestants rely on the former, while Catholics major in the latter.

that would be works alone!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

 

[theefaith]

You believe and receive the word of the gospel in faith, believing.

"13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" Ephesians 1:13​

sealed refers to baptism

you put on Christ by faith & baptism gal
3:27

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

Now try to answer these questions

“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you put on Christ by faith & baptism gal
3:27

I didn't. I have the same experience as Cornelius and his family. But let me guess, that's not allowed, right? Even though it was allowed for Cornelius.

 

[theefaith]

I didn't. I have the same experience as Cornelius and his family. But let me guess, that's not allowed, right? Even though it was allowed for Cornelius.

not a normal occurrence, a sign for Peter to baptize per Matt 28:19 gentiles and no the HS did not fall on you!

 

[theefaith]

Why did you not reply to my Matt 5:7 question?

how to obtain mercy

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why did you not reply to my Matt 5:7 question?

how to obtain mercy

That's not talking about receiving mercy in salvation.
You have a very juvenile view of scripture.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

not a normal occurrence, a sign for Peter to baptize per Matt 28:19 gentiles and no the HS did not fall on you!

I guarantee you I have the Holy Spirit. I remember distinctly the Holy Spirit coming into my body the moment I received God's forgiveness. I was water baptized 2 months later. Nothing happened then. I'd already received the Holy Spirit prior to that.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

"all your works are as filthy rags".

Try that one.

You are taking Isaiah 64:6 out of context.

Isaiah 64:5-6
5 “Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

Verse 5 says God meets him (the person) who rejoices and works righteousness, or those that remember God in His ways. It then says in verse 5 that they have sinned which then leads to the next thought of verse 6 (Which you quote of context).

What do you make of 1 Peter 4:1-2?
What about Galatians 5:24?
What about 2 Corinthians 7:1?
Do you just ignore those verses?

 

[stephen64]

I didn't. I have the same experience as Cornelius and his family. But let me guess, that's not allowed, right? Even though it was allowed for Cornelius.

I had the same experience, seems a lot of us did

 

[theefaith]

That's not talking about receiving mercy in salvation.
You have a very juvenile view of scripture.

mercy is forgiveness?

 

[theefaith]

I guarantee you I have the Holy Spirit. I remember distinctly the Holy Spirit coming into my body the moment I received God's forgiveness. I was water baptized 2 months later. Nothing happened then. I'd already received the Holy Spirit prior to that.

just a grace

nothing happened?

how do you know, you can’t see grace!

justification happened

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

just a grace

nothing happened?

how do you know, you can’t see grace!

I told you something happened when I believed, not when I was water baptized two months later.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

No, water does not cause you to be born again. Faith does. All by itself. Apart from works.