Wise vs. Foolish Virgins

[James Macbeth]

Now you definitely ARE... saying that we saved by WORKS, going directly against what Apostle Paul said. James and Paul agree, so which one is correct? BOTH are, once one understands the context of both!

James is NOT saying we are saved by works. He is simply saying that our 'works' SHOW our Faith. So if someone claims... to believe on Jesus Christ, they should have 'works' to show it. He is NOT saying we are saved by works by that.

Where did you guys get your education? This is elementary stuff.

We are saved by our Lord & Saviour Christ JESUS.

And by our good deeds & good works, we will be justified by our Lord Jesus himself, before the FATHER, and admitted into Heaven.

And by our evil deeds & works of darkness, we will be rejected by the Lord Jesus Christ, and condemned into Hell with Satan and all his ministers.

 

[Davy]

No sir, simply stating what the Bible teaches. Who is the greatest, best known witness of Jehovah that ever existed? Rev 1:5. He was the first, and he was one even before Jehovah had human witnesses.

Are you able to follow the path of God's people Davy? If you can, what happened after Jesus' death?

There's obviously another who cannot stay on topic, and is at a loss of relevant words to say...

The thread topic is Christ's ten virgins parable, not soliciting for the Jehovah's Witness organization that was created by men, and not God.

 

[Davy]

We are saved by our Lord & Saviour Christ JESUS.

And by our good deeds & good works, we will be justified by our Lord Jesus himself, before the FATHER, and admitted into Heaven.

And by our evil deeds & works of darkness, we will be rejected by the Lord Jesus Christ, and condemned into Hell with Satan and all his ministers.

Of course we are saved by The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, but is that by our works or by His Grace?

I don't think... you realize what The Gospel of Jesus Christ is actually about.

Per Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:22, he showed that we all have been concluded under sin so that God's Promise by Faith might be to those who believe on Jesus Christ.

And by Christ's sacrifice on His cross our sins that are past have been remitted. What about those who don't have Faith on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, but have many GOOD WORKS? Will they be saved just based on their works? The answer is NO. There is no Salvation by works, but by Faith on Jesus Christ.

This is a major problem in some Christian denominations, because they are starting to cave in with those who support other religions, saying that all paths will lead to Salvation, but that is NOT TRUE.

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
KJV

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course we are saved by The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, but is that by our works or by His Grace?

I don't think... you realize what The Gospel of Jesus Christ is actually about.

Per Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:22, he showed that we all have been concluded under sin so that God's Promise by Faith might be to those who believe on Jesus Christ.

And by Christ's sacrifice on His cross our sins that are past have been remitted. What about those who don't have Faith on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, but have many GOOD WORKS? Will they be saved just based on their works? The answer is NO. There is no Salvation by works, but by Faith on Jesus Christ.

This is a major problem in some Christian denominations, because they are starting to cave in with those who support other religions, saying that all paths will lead to Salvation, but that is NOT TRUE.

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
KJV

You speak of that abomination called the all inclusive gospel . LED BY ROME and it has heavily influenced christendom and the world .
What a false love it is . Folks forget about CHARITY .
Even if i gave ALLLLLL my goods to the poor and yet had not CHARITY it would profit me nothing .
CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH . THE GOSPEL IS TRUTH . As are all the teachings of Christ and the apostels .
SO even if a muslim gave all his goods to the poor , HE DONT HAVE CHARITY , cause CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH
NOT INQUITY . Now a word from JESUS . I have said YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS , FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE
ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS .
That is a false go spell they are preaching . TELLING FOLKS all religoins if they do good will have salvation . WHAT A LIE .
YET they rejoice in a lie , and CHARITY REJOICES NOT IN LIES . ONLY IN THE TRUTH .
ONLY IN THE TRUTH . AND HEREIN IS THE TRUTH . GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
that ALL WHO DO BELIEVE would be saved , but all who dont , shall be damned .
I stand against the ecumincial lie the popes brought in . THIS LIE has grown massive now .
UP to seventy percent of even so called christains now believe GOD is fine with ALL RELIGIONS , EVEN ATHEISTS
so long as they do good . WHAT A LIE . WHAT A LIE . THE CC has failed the churches and worse
so has the protestant realm who is quickly JOINING HANDS with HER in this lie for UNITY .

 

[Davy]

You speak of that abomination called the all inclusive gospel . LED BY ROME and it has heavily influenced christendom and the world .

WHAT???? The mad hatters just keep coming folks!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about believing on The Father through His Son's death and resurrection by Faith. And that is for the remission of sins like He said in Matthew 26:28, and per the Apostles in Acts 2:38, Acts 10:43, and Romans 3:25.

So why... are you playing the MAD HATTER by speaking against that???

 

[amigo de christo]

WHAT???? The mad hatters just keep coming folks!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about believing on The Father through His Son's death and resurrection by Faith. And that is for the remission of sins like He said in Matthew 26:28, and per the Apostles in Acts 2:38, Acts 10:43, and Romans 3:25.

So why... are you playing the MAD HATTER by speaking against that???

How on earth did you get that from reading what i said . I spoke against the lie . I stood for the only one true gospel .
The all inclusive gosple is A LIE FROM HELL . FOR it is what POPE FRANCIS HIMSELF teaches .
It believes that no matter what religoin you are in , IF you have good works , GOD is at work in you , the SPIRIT is at work in you
and you have salvation . THE ALL INCLUSIVE pope francis teaches , says ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO CONFESS JESUS , TO BELEIVE IN JESUS .
NOW how is that the gospel . FOLKS WE GETTING DUPED . GET OUT OF THE UNITY CHURCHES WHo make their bed with A HARLOT .

 

[amigo de christo]

WHAT???? The mad hatters just keep coming folks!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about believing on The Father through His Son's death and resurrection by Faith. And that is for the remission of sins like He said in Matthew 26:28, and per the Apostles in Acts 2:38, Acts 10:43, and Romans 3:25.

So why... are you playing the MAD HATTER by speaking against that???

You made mention of the fact its getting taught that other religoins are being accepted by good works . THAT IS THE ALL INCLUSIVE GOSPEL .
I was not attacking what you said , I was CONFIRMING IT . You made the mistake of thinking i was attacking . NO
i was simply explaining in more detail what you were warning against yourself . WE often ASSUME things ................EH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course we are saved by The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, but is that by our works or by His Grace?

I don't think... you realize what The Gospel of Jesus Christ is actually about.

Per Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:22, he showed that we all have been concluded under sin so that God's Promise by Faith might be to those who believe on Jesus Christ.

And by Christ's sacrifice on His cross our sins that are past have been remitted. What about those who don't have Faith on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, but have many GOOD WORKS? Will they be saved just based on their works? The answer is NO. There is no Salvation by works, but by Faith on Jesus Christ.

This is a major problem in some Christian denominations, because they are starting to cave in with those who support other religions, saying that all paths will lead to Salvation, but that is NOT TRUE.

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
KJV

This is a major problem in some Christian denominations, because they are starting to cave in with those who support other religions, saying that all paths will lead to Salvation, but that is NOT TRUE.
exactly . THIS IS exactly what it is doing . AND the HARLOT LEADS IN IT and many of her protestant daughters now teach this junk as well .

 

[Davy]

You made mention of the fact its getting taught that other religoins are being accepted by good works . THAT IS THE ALL INCLUSIVE GOSPEL .
I was not attacking what you said , I was CONFIRMING IT . You made the mistake of thinking i was attacking . NO
i was simply explaining in more detail what you were warning against yourself . WE often ASSUME things ................EH .

Yeah, it certainly DID sound like you were attacking my Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ. You should choose your words more carefully.

That false idea you speak of being taught in some Christian denominations today actually is coming from the occult secret societies and initiatic fraternities. Many preachers today and their religious organization leadership are members of fraternities like the Masons, and the Masons is an 'international' fraternity, and supports ALL religions as paths to God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah, it certainly DID sound like you were attacking my Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ. You should choose your words more carefully.

That false idea you speak of being taught in some Christian denominations today actually is coming from the occult secret societies and initiatic fraternities. Many preachers today and their religious organization leadership are members of fraternities like the Masons, and the Masons is an 'international' fraternity, and supports ALL religions as paths to God.

AND ROME leads in it . Its all a lie .

 

[Davy]

AND ROME leads in it . Its all a lie .

I don't believe Rome is the 'center'. For Europe, it is the Grand Orient in France. I recall many years ago there was a European organization in France named F.U.D.O.S.I. (French for Universal Federation of Initiatic Orders). There were twelve main members if I recall, the Masonic Lodge was just one of them. The Rosicrucians was another. Some of them were related to Alchemical orders. And I think the Disciples of Pythagoras was a member also (started in Italy by the Greek philosopher-mathematician Pythagoras who gave us the Pythagorean Theorum).

 

[James Macbeth]

Of course we are saved by The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, but is that by our works or by His Grace?

I don't think... you realize what The Gospel of Jesus Christ is actually about.

Per Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:22, he showed that we all have been concluded under sin so that God's Promise by Faith might be to those who believe on Jesus Christ.

And by Christ's sacrifice on His cross our sins that are past have been remitted. What about those who don't have Faith on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, but have many GOOD WORKS? Will they be saved just based on their works? The answer is NO. There is no Salvation by works, but by Faith on Jesus Christ.

This is a major problem in some Christian denominations, because they are starting to cave in with those who support other religions, saying that all paths will lead to Salvation, but that is NOT TRUE.

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
KJV

Matthew 14:15-31
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.... ...And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water... ...when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

The holy Ghost moves us to do good works, if we cooperate with it then we are justified, and increase in Grace. But if we ignore it we decrease in Grace.

We can see that Saint Peter's little faith was sinking him into the Abyss.

But he cried out & and our Lord saved him.

Faith in our Lord, is not enough. We must also obey the holy Ghost when it moves us to do good works.

Matthew 12:31
...the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven... ...but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age. Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit.... ...The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good... ...I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified...

God is keeping track of our good works. Our Lord Jesus will weigh them out.

Matthew 6:20-21
lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[Robert Gwin]

How can you be in a group that makes themselves exclusive to others based on a premise?

If someone starts a group called "the faithful in Christ" and the "cleverly" asks others...are you part of the "faithful in Christ" ...meaning that if you do not belong to his group then you can't be faithful in Christ.

The JW's is simply one more human attempt at having a religious exclusivity...dividing the Body of Christ...and as such under God's judgment.

Do you believe one must be a JW to actually be a witness of Christ and walk in His resurrection power?

Jesus came to earth in the name of His Father...what is that name? It is YHVH...Yahveh

The name "Jehovah" is an error based on the Jews using the vowel markers (nikud) for "Adonai" under the tetragramaton...YHVH.
The Jews didn't believe it proper to try pronouncing the Name, now rendered as "Hashem", out of reverence.

The "Name" in the Bible is actually "HaDavar"...the "Word". The "Word" made flesh is God...YHVH. Jesus is YHVH...come in the Father's name.

God hides Davar...and it takes the seeking of kings to discover it.

How can you be in a group that makes themselves exclusive to others based on a premise?

The Bible identifies the faith sir, you have to recognize the people of God and go with them Zech 8:23

If someone starts a group called "the faithful in Christ" and the "cleverly" asks others...are you part of the "faithful in Christ" ...meaning that if you do not belong to his group then you can't be faithful in Christ.

One faith Eph 4:5

The JW's is simply one more human attempt at having a religious exclusivity...dividing the Body of Christ...and as such under God's judgment.

We are either God's Scripturally identified people or not. Can you identify God's people Scripturally?

Do you believe one must be a JW to actually be a witness of Christ and walk in His resurrection power?

Mat 22:37, do you honestly think that God is going to render you salvation if you serve another god?

Jesus came to earth in the name of His Father...what is that name? It is YHVH...Yahveh

Not familiar with that sir, perhaps you might share, Jesus' Fathers name is Jehovah I agree

The name "Jehovah" is an error based on the Jews using the vowel markers (nikud) for "Adonai" under the tetragramaton...YHVH.
The Jews didn't believe it proper to try pronouncing the Name, now rendered as "Hashem", out of reverence.

Jehovah is God's name in English, in Hebrew it is YHWH, rendered Yahweh

The "Name" in the Bible is actually "HaDavar"...the "Word". The "Word" made flesh is God...YHVH. Jesus is YHVH...come in the Father's name.

The Word which came from the Greek word Logos, is a title that is applied to Jesus as he is God's spokesman. The Word was made flesh, but God never became flesh, nor has ever been seen from human eyes. Jn 1:18

 

[Robert Gwin]

There's obviously another who cannot stay on topic, and is at a loss of relevant words to say...

The thread topic is Christ's ten virgins parable, not soliciting for the Jehovah's Witness organization that was created by men, and not God.

Yes Davy, many people seem not to be able to stay on topic. With that said, were you aware that the Bible identifies God's people sir?

 

[Brakelite]

The ten virgins parable Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 25 is often not truly understood in its simplicity. In the attempt of many to 'try' and explain it, they actually create many more little parables within their explanation, leading brethren to have more questions about it. I'll not do that here. So for those who want it, this explanation will be very simple, and to the point, no guilding the Lilly one might say.

Matt 25:1-4 -- there were ten virgins, five wise and five foolish. They all had lamps with Oil in them and went forth to meet the bridegroom. The five foolish virgins took their lamps, but no spare Oil with them. The five wise virgins took their lamps, and... a spare vessel of the Oil.

Lord Jesus is pointing to His servants waiting on Him (the Bridegroom) Who is to return in our future. We are either of the five foolish, or five wise virgins. The Oil represents The Holy Spirit.

Here's the tough part some struggle with, "strong meat" in this:
What specifically is The Holy Spirit given us for? Per John 12 through 16, The Holy Spirit is given us as our Comforter and our Teacher. Jesus said He would teach us all things (John 14:26). So in the case of the five foolish virgins, they did not have the spare vessel of the Oil, pointing to what condition? They lacked... UNDERSTANDING. Thus they were not prepared at the end.

Matt 25:5-6 = all the ten virgins slept as the bridegroom tarried (delay). At midnight, a cry was made that the Bridegroom comes and to go out and meet Him. That points specifically to the last hour of this world (11th hour before midnight), and then midnight points to the day of Christ's future coming to gather His Church on the last day of this world. Thus the 11th hour is symbolic of the time of "great tribulation", the time just prior to Christ's future return at symbolic 'midnight'.

Do you recall Matthew 20 about the laborers in the field parable Jesus gave? Some of the laborers were hired at the 11th hour, and worked only one hour, yet were paid the same as those who had worked all day. And Jesus' final answer to those workers who complained was that "for many be called, but few chosen" (Matthew 20:16). That is about these same five 'wise' virgins who had the spare vessel of the Oil to go with the Oil in their lamps. This is how we connect Lord Jesus' parables when they point to each other, thus learning His Message, and not man's leaven which only confuses the real Message.

Matt 25:7-8 = then all ten virgin arose and trimmed their lamps. The five foolish virgins said to the five wise ones to give of their Oil, because their lamps had run out. Since the Oil represents The Holy Spirit, Who actually is the Giver of that Oil? GOD Himself. This symbolically represents these five foolish virgins spiritually slept like they all did, but were not prepared for the CLIMAX, the day of the Bridegroom coming at midnight. They lacked understanding, because the Oil is about The Holy Spirit teaching us.

Matt 25:9 = the five wise virgins answer, and tell the five foolish virgins no, but to go to the market and buy the Oil. What's the problem with that idea of buying... the Oil at the market? If you think this is simply about any oil for a lamp that burns, you will completely miss Lord Jesus' Message here. One cannot... buy this Oil (Holy Spirit).

Matt 25:10 = then while the five foolish virgins went to the market to buy the Oil, the Bridegroom came, and the five wise virgins who were ready, went in with Jesus to the marriage, and the door was shut.

Matt 25:11-12 = then the five foolish virgins returned, and said to open the door, and Jesus said to them, "I know you not". And then Jesus commanded us to 'Watch', because we don't know the day nor hour when He will come.

That is NOT where this Message by Lord Jesus ends though, because back in the previous Matthew 24 Chapter, Jesus gave 7 main Signs we are to WATCH for signaling events leading up to His future 2nd coming to gather His faithful Church. Those 7 Signs are the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials of His Book of Revelation.

This means then... the five WISE virgins are to have THAT spare vessel of The Oil that gives understanding... in those 7 Signs Jesus gave us to be WATCHING at the end of this world.

That's good. May I add something regarding the need for the holy Spirit in that last hour? The 5 foolish virgins were virgins. They were pure, they had the truth, but we're relying on their own power and whatever vestige of the former rain from the first pentecost. What they needed, and what the wise had, was the latter rain... The final outpouring of the holy Spirit before the end.. The latter rain which brings to fruit the final harvest.
You are correct however with your take on understanding. Appreciating prophecy and knowing the times in which we live is essential to our preparation as we enter into the time of Jacobs trouble, the plagues and judgements upon sinners... But as Jeremiah said...
KJV Jeremiah 30:7
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

 

[Brakelite]

Yes Davy, many people seem not to be able to stay on topic. With that said, were you aware that the Bible identifies God's people sir?

It does.....
KJV Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Brakelite]

The two classes of watchers represent the two classes who profess to be waiting for their Lord. They are called virgins because they profess a pure faith. By the lamps is represented the word of God...
KJV Psalms 119:105
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
... The oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit. The oil was essential to keeping the light burning I'm the sanctuary. The class represented by the foolish virgins are not hypocrites. They have a regard for the truth, they have advocated the truth, they are attracted to those who believe the truth; but they have not yielded themselves to the Holy Spirit's working.

 

[Brakelite]

The whole parable is a warning to us in these last days. We will not endure to the end without the holy Spirit's sanctifying power in our lives. "Without Me ye can do nothing'. Nothing is apparently more helpless, yet really more invincible, than the soul that feels its nothingness and relies wholly on the merits of the Saviour. By prayer, by the study of His word, by faith in His abiding presence, the weakest of human beings may live in contact with the living Christ, and He will hold them by a hand that will never let go.

 

[Davy]

Matthew 14:15-31
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.... ...And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water... ...when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

The holy Ghost moves us to do good works, if we cooperate with it then we are justified, and increase in Grace. But if we ignore it we decrease in Grace.

We can see that Saint Peter's little faith was sinking him into the Abyss.

But he cried out & and our Lord saved him.

Faith in our Lord, is not enough. We must also obey the holy Ghost when it moves us to do good works.

Matthew 12:31
...the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven... ...but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age. Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit.... ...The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good... ...I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified...

God is keeping track of our good works. Our Lord Jesus will weigh them out.

Matthew 6:20-21
lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Your post STILL begs the question of whether you believe we are saved by 'works', or by 'faith', and thus through God's Grace, a free gift. Might want to review Ephesians 2:8-9 about that.

 

[James Macbeth]

Your post STILL begs the question of whether you believe we are saved by 'works', or by 'faith', and thus through God's Grace, a free gift. Might want to review Ephesians 2:8-9 about that.

God is keeping track of our good works.

Our Lord Jesus will weigh them out.

Faith & works together in cooperation.

We boast in the holy Ghost that lead us to do good works.

Matthew 6:20-21
lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.