Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[Johann]

Well, it’s Bible Highlighter and not “Jason/Bible highlighter.”
Oh, and yes. I did used to believe (past tense) that the New Testament commands from Finnis Jennings Dake (1050) were accurate (for the most part). But after much study, I found that Dake’s 1050 NT Commands are not an accurate list of New Testament commands. I made my own list of commands found in the New Testament and it is around 440 to my count so far. But I have yet to double check my work under tight scrutiny to release them publicly to the brethren. Anyways, the problem with Dake’s commands is that he repeats various commands and he constructs the commands based on similarity of the verbs and not how they naturally appear in the New Testament. He also has left out various commands. At that time in my life, I was focused a little too heavy on God’s laws. I now believe we must always stress the importance of God’s grace as being foundational and as the entrance gate to our salvation. I now believe there are clearly two aspects of salvation as taught in God’s Word, and I believe that one can have an unhealthy balance of either grace or works when they approach God’s Word. Some make it all about grace to the detriment of obedience to God, and others make it all about works to the detriment of grace. I was at that time in my life interested in creating a book on God’s commands, but that is not exactly something that I feel is correct now (Because it sends the wrong message that it is all about law with no grace).

In any event, may God’s love shine upon you (even if you don’t see my posts anymore and even if we disagree on what the Bible says).

Sorry, the 1050 Imperatives I have is not from the Dake' concordance brother.
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You have not answered my question as to how you are dealing with the unbelieving Jews, especially the forbidden chapter.
You speak Hebrew?
We shall come back to the issue of sanctification.
J.

I don't speak Hebrew, and the unbelieving Jews are on another forum like this. What is the forbidden chapter? I've never heard of such a thing. Sounds interesting.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I'm just being honest. You don't seem to have a cohesive view on this subject. I do not agree with you that a believer can sin and believe it is ok to do what they do. And as you like the letter of the bible being quoted I will quote it:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
And the law is in your most inward parts, it is in your heart and mind.

You keep talking about the law and it being the consciousness of sin. I'm not under the law. And my conscience has been super-sensitized by the Spirit. I don't willfully sin.

I was just being honest, that baby Christians will unintentionally sin.

 

[Johann]

I don't speak Hebrew, and the unbelieving Jews are on another forum like this. What is the forbidden chapter? I've never heard of such a thing. Sounds interesting.

Thought I'd throw that one out, it is for you to find out but now I know you are not familiar with Judaism.
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thought I'd throw that one out, it is for you to find out but now I know you are not familiar with Judaism.
J.

My talking to them is so they can answer some of my questions about the Old Covenant. And other questions about their feasts

 

[Johann]

You keep talking about the law and it being the consciousness of sin. I'm not under the law. And my conscience has been super-sensitized by the Spirit. I don't willfully sin.

I was just being honest, that baby Christians will unintentionally sin.

How many laws/nomos/entole recorded in the B'rit Chadasha?
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

What you don't realize is there are two grades of sin according to God. You are accusing me of lawlessness, when I don't do lawlessness, even back then. I know you are new, but are you one of those "accusers of the brethren." You certainly show no empathy, which is a form of love when I mentioned abuse. I know you said you go to church but learned justification elsewhere. Where? And what?

I told you I was sorry for what had happened to you. I understand why you are attacking me now, in a previous post you wrote to me:
''I'm not leaving you with the very limited knowledge you have. If the truth scares you then put me on ignore.''
You almost sound catholic with your two grades of sin. However, biblical truth is biblical truth.
Through the law we become conscious of sin

 

[1stCenturyLady]

How many laws/nomos/entole recorded in the B'rit Chadasha?
J.

If that is Jewish, then 613 according to them.

 

[Johann]

My talking to them is so they can answer some of my questions about the Old Covenant. And other questions about their feasts

Really, what sources are you using since the scriptures is a no no?
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

You keep talking about the law and it being the consciousness of sin. I'm not under the law. And my conscience has been super-sensitized by the Spirit. I don't willfully sin.

You are way off here concerning what I wrote. You appear not to understand this subject at all.
If the law is in your most inward parts, and through it we become conscious of sin, how can you commit sin and believe it is ok to do what you do? That is not biblical

 

[Johann]

If that is Jewish, then 613 according to them.

Incorrect, care to try again?
I am not talking on the Tanack here.
J.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not making excuses, will take this up with you later, 1:46 in the Morning here, my brain is fraaied.
J.

Sorry to hear it is late for you, and you are tired.
Anyways, if we do not submit to what Jesus says… then we are making excuses, my friend.
I am not above God’s Word anymore than you are. I would encourage you to read Matthew 5:28-30, and Matthew 6:15 in the morning really slowly. Also slowly read Galatians 5:19-21 by the apostle Paul. Then slowly read Revelation 21:8 by the apostle John. All of them are saying to you that sin can separate you from God.

Was Jesus speaking to believers or unbelievers in Matthew 5:28-30 and Matthew 6:15?
I submit to you he was talking to believers because it does not matter if an unbeliever does not look at anyone in lust their whole lives and they forgiven everyone. They are still on the road to hell if they reject Jesus as their Savior. One must first accept Jesus as one’s Savior before they can obey. So Jesus telling unbelievers about how certain sins can destroy their soul would be pointless. They are primarily condemned for rejecting Him as the Savior. Unbelievers are not going to be saved if they don’t do certain sins. So Jesus is talking to believers.

So if Jesus is talking to believers, then He is saying that you can be cast bodily into hellfire for lusting after a woman. This means we have to overcome this sin in this life or we are not going to make into God’s Kingdom. We have to forgive, or we will not be forgiven by the Father. You cannot be saved and yet be unforgiven. So to forgive others is a salvation issue and is conditional involving your salvation. God is not going to force you to forgive others. You have to work out your salvation with fear and trembling as Scripture says (Philippians 2:12).

John 9:31 says,
“Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.”

Psalms 66:18
“If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:”

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thought I'd throw that one out, it is for you to find out but now I know you are not familiar with Judaism.
J.

Is it also forbidden to ask them about it?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Incorrect, care to try again?
I am not talking on the Tanack here.
J.

I have a Tanakh, and it is interesting to see the changes in wording. I found Daniel 9:24-27 to be especially interesting.

 

[Johann]

Is it also forbidden to ask them about it?

Ask them, you might be pleasantly surprised since you cannot quote the "uninspired" scriptures to them.
And here I want to stress Orthodox and Ultra Orthodoxy. Modern Judaism.
J.

 

[Johann]

I have a Tanakh, and it is interesting to see the changes in wording. I found Daniel 9:24-27 to be especially interesting.

A Tanakh from Mr. Stern, I guess?
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You are way off here concerning what I wrote. You appear not to understand this subject at all.
If the law is in your most inward parts, and through it we become conscious of sin, how can you commit sin and believe it is ok to do what you do? That is not biblical

Why do you only quote Romans 3? I've already told you that the law was weak through the flesh, and that is why we are not under the law. We have a higher power now than the law to guard us. It is the Spirit. And you hopefully know more now, than you did when you were filled with the Spirit. If not, you are stagnant in your growth.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Why do you only quote Romans 3? I've already told you that the law was weak through the flesh, and that is why we are not under the law. We have a higher power now than the law to guard us. It is the Spirit. And you hopefully know more now, than you did when you were filled with the Spirit. If not, you are stagnant in your growth.

Im sorry to say, from what you are writing you do not understand this subject at all. The above has nothing to do with the fact the law is in your most inward parts and through it we become conscious of sin

 

[1stCenturyLady]

A Tanakh from Mr. Stern, I guess?
J.

No author mentioned. It is from the Jewish Publication Society. In the back there are 14 translators listed, but no Stern.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Im sorry to say, from what you are writing you do not understand this subject at all. The above has nothing to do with the fact the law is in your most inward parts and through it we become conscious of sin

But they are not the Ten Commandments as is what those scriptures talk about. We have a heavier law written on our hearts.