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Matthias

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Only while he was alive then Joshua

It’s not that hard. Everyone - trinitarian and non-trinitarian alike - should be able to agree that Moses was the mediator of the Mosaic Covenant. It’s an historical fact.
 

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The holy trinity

So you believe then that “the man Christ Jesus” is the mediator between men and the Trinity.

I believe the one God is the God and Father of “the man Christ Jesus” and that “the man Christ Jesus” is the mediator between men and the Father.
 

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Pedophilia. The worship of Moloch.


Call no man father / abuse

The union Christ and His holy church or the unity of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin! Men are sinners, with a sin nature and free will, but we should choose that which is good and holy! Rom 6:13

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues! And we don’t blame the Protestant sects or leaders!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
 

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The union Christ and His holy church or the unity of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!
The point is this. The RCC is NOT the holy Church Jesus established. The actual, true church of Christ would NEVER excuse pedophilia, cover it up, move men into new locations, etc. etc. etc. The RCC promotes pedophilia. Not only that it worships moloch, and it is another pagan religion.

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!
Granted. But the RCC is NOT the bride. The bride of Christ would NEVER excuse pedophilia, or cover it up. The bride of Christ would NEVER adopt pagan practices, worship Mary, pray to the saints, or believe in purgatory.

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!
Granted. Nonetheless, true members of Christ would NEVER worship where Satan has free reign. The RCC worships Satan.

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s
Since you haven't yet left the RCC, your claims are empty.

This is a symptom of error and Hersey.
No it isn't. It isn't a symptom of error and Heresy, it IS error and Heresy.
The body of Christ always gives the proper name to things. Calling things by their right name is a practice of those who worship and follow Christ. Every denomination has those who fail from time to time, But the true apostles of Christ would NEVER, EVER, coverup a pedophile in their midst; they would never teach paganism or worship Molech.

You, my friend, are blind and willfully ignorant. You should repent and leave the RCC as soon as possible.
 

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What is truth?
Would you recognise it if it stood beside you tf?..... Apparently Pilate didn't.....that's why he asked the question!
 

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Inquisitions.

just what it says: an inquiry into thee faith! The holy church has a duty to teach the truth and to condemn all errors!

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14



God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)


The whole purpose for the church of Jesus Christ is to teach all nations the truths revealed by Christ and the salvation of souls!
 

Matthias

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just what it says: an inquiry into thee faith! The holy church has a duty to teach the truth and to condemn all errors!

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14



God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)


The whole purpose for the church of Jesus Christ is to teach all nations the truths revealed by Christ and the salvation of souls!

Inquisition is how you demonstrate your love for your (non-Catholic) neighbors as you love yourself?
 

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just what it says: an inquiry into thee faith! The holy church has a duty to teach the truth and to condemn all errors!

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14



God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)


The whole purpose for the church of Jesus Christ is to teach all nations the truths revealed by Christ and the salvation of souls!

“Ten Torture Devices Used By The Catholic Church In The Inquisition”

https://www.truthgospel.org/downloads/topic/inquisition-do-what-we-say-or-else.pdf

True? False?
 

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The pope apologized for that.

But there are Catholics who maintain that he shouldn’t have; that there was no need for an apology.

Another papal apology for the Inquisition

What is the truth?

Protestants also engaged in such activities.
The point is, any supposed religious authority looses all credibility upon such a practice. The claim in this thread is that the Roman Catholic church has all authority with regard to faith and practice. The RCC have proven themselves to be the enemies of Christ on many occasions.

As for the Reformed churches, as far as I know, sola-scriptura is a major tenet. Thus, although they also are guilty of inquisition-like activities, they are not currently claiming to have authority with regard to faith and practice. True believers affirm sola-scriptura; or if they currently don't eventually they will. Any group that does not affirm sola-scriptura are slave mongers.
 
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The point is, any supposed religious authority looses all credibility upon such a practice. The claim in this thread is that the Roman Catholic church has all authority with regard to faith and practice. The RCC have proven themselves to be the enemies of Christ on many occasions.

As for the Reformed churches, as far as I know, sola-scriptura is a major tenet. Thus, although they also are guilty of inquisition-like activities, they are not currently claiming to have authority with regard to faith and practice. True believers affirm sola-scriptura; or if they currently don't eventually they will. Any group that does not affirm sola-scriptura are slave mongers.

Should we disbelieve and reject their doctrines because they at times in their history and in their zealousness acted like savages?
 

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just what it says: an inquiry into thee faith!
Define: Rationalization
1. the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate.

When did Christ ever use torture to gain a confession? NEVER

Pedophilia, Paganism, Iniquity, Inquisition. These are not found in Christ!

The holy church has a duty to teach the truth and to condemn all errors!
The RCC is NOT the holy church. Actions speak louder than words.

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!
Fear monger.

Must be instructed in the faith . . .
One need not be taught an ostensible faith by those who are purported know the teachings of Christ. This empty way is very wide and many follow it.

The whole purpose for the church of Jesus Christ is to teach all nations the truths revealed by Christ and the salvation of souls!
False. The Body of Christ has various gifts, which are given to individual believers, not established institutions, by the Holy Spirit.
 

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Should we disbelieve and reject their doctrines because they at times in their history and in their zealousness acted like savages?
We believe Jesus and his apostles and we emulate good, mature Christian men and women who live among us.
 
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The pope apologized for that.

But there are Catholics who maintain that he shouldn’t have; that there was no need for an apology.

Another papal apology for the Inquisition

What is the truth?

Protestants also engaged in such activities.

never apologize!

there were some independent abuses yes but it is a sound practice truth must be defended and error condemned and there still is the holy office of the inquisition