Is the world under sin considering Jesus paid for it?
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I do believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world. It's enough for everyone, including those that died before his payment. But, you still have to go to the store to pick it up.
Everyone in the world has that invitation. But grace comes through faith. It's equally a acceptable to Kings, Priests, Presidents, billionaires and men and women of great power and stature. And also to drunkards, beggars, prostitutes, thieves, the poor and destitute. No one has and advantage. -- not even in giving... Remember the woman who gave two mites.
God just wants us to accept it. To have faith in him. So yes, it's there for everyone, but not everyone is going to benefit.
Waiting on him
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It’s interesting you use the widow to validate your view of picking up the gift at the store. Jesus in my opinion was using this woman to illustrate what this gross religious system in place at his time was doing to the less fortunate of Israel of the first century. A few verses prior to Jesus’s explanation of the widow he is rebuking the Pharisees for devouring widows houses, the a few verses after he’s giving a discourse in which the entire religious system including the buildings will be fully destroyed. He’s also telling his four disciples privately they will witness these events.
dhh712
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Here is another verse in Scripture which defines God as good, coming from Jesus himself. I forget which gospel, but one of them in the story of the rich young ruler when he addresses Jesus as "Good Teacher", Jesus replies, "Why do you call me good? There is none good but God".
So, yes it is a question--God's word does reveal himself as good. Is this something that we accept as truth? Or do we have our own standards of good which God does not measure up to? I feel that the latter is what a lot of people choose to identify with.
Is there a light visible to every man? How many men choose to approach the light [Light] more closely?
Perhaps very simply God loves life and hates death. Everyone born of woman has a little bit of life [see John 1:9]
"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9
[I believe that this is Not speaking of rebirth (born again or from above) but of the carnal or physical birth of everyone born to a woman.]
... and so God loves them while hating all of the death in them [the second part being by far the largest. If and when a person increases the Life that he has by embracing the Son [Jesus] then God will love him all the more: "He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30
On the other hand, when a person puts out that little bit of light [the candle of the Lord or the spirit of man ... see Prov 20:27 below] ...with which he started as Esau did when he rejected that which was his as the 1st born son. So then what would be left to love?
"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:12
[What is taken away is that little bit of light as per John 1:9 which is not enough for salvation, but is necessary to see where salvation is.]
That little light from natural birth is also seen here:
"The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly." Prov 20:27
And here we see how it may be put out by wickedness:
"For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out." Prov 24:20
But a virtuous person, one who loves God should keep their light lit:
"She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night." Prov 31:1
Before we meet Jesus our light is too little to do anything but find the greater Light...
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:5
But the time may come for someone who works while it is day so that Jesus may say of us and to us:
"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matt 5:14
So then does not God love every one who still has at least that little light, the candle of the Lord with which each of us begins before we even know God and His Son?
But... many who have observed the little light given to them before being born again, to go their own way. They have suppressed or ignored the Light!
Again then...:
"For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out." Prov 24:20
@MatthewG
What world are we in? What world did Jesus overcome?
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33
Why was Jesus no longer in the world before he went to the cross?
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11
What world are we in? What world did Jesus overcome?
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33
Why was Jesus no longer in the world before he went to the cross?
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11
I love me that NLT translation! It’s the one He has taught me with. 
Lifelong_sinner
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nothing wrong with opinions, but if the Bible is truth, then its much like learning your multiplication tables. We dont get to have opinions about 5x5=25. We dont get to have opinions about Biblical truth. Paul’s belief was, dont make a law where there is none. But there absolutely was a law about heresy.
Galatians 5:19-21.
Wouldn’t doubt your words.
Gonna try to take a break from the forum websites for a few days.
God bless all of you.
I love me that NLT translation! It’s the one He has taught me with.
I enjoy reading it too, thank you for sharing friend!
hope all of you have a good weekend.
Of course, God is kind and He is merciful, but for what purpose did He make men as corruptible beings? Why did He not make us initially as incorruptible beings who, [every one of us] loved Him as He loved us?
Why did He make us as beings who would be in situations where repentance would be necessary?
I can not always answer your questions Amadeus.
God did what He has done for his good pleasure, and his good will.
Creating all people, and by his foreknowledge already knows who will make the decision to choose him or not, and al we can do is share the good and great news, of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us all.
He did not make us corrupt, it was Adam and Eve in the Garden in which (Spiritual Death) ensued. He created human beings and called everything he created good. It was when sin entered in which we became corrupted in our souls (Mind/will/emotion).
The reason I mentioned Gods kindness my brother is because of Romans 2:4.
One in Christ
…13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace,who has made the two one and has torn downthe dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace
The biggest thing is not denominations or differences of how a persons believer or doesn't,
It is about love... loving all people no matter what they do, or how they act, to forgive and love for God and love for others. His Kindness, and our suffering for Christ goes a long way to make a difference of those of the world, and those of heaven, by agape love.
God did what He has done for his good pleasure, and his good will.
Creating all people, and by his foreknowledge already knows who will make the decision to choose him or not, and al we can do is share the good and great news, of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us all.
He did not make us corrupt, it was Adam and Eve in the Garden in which (Spiritual Death) ensued. He created human beings and called everything he created good. It was when sin entered in which we became corrupted in our souls (Mind/will/emotion).
The reason I mentioned Gods kindness my brother is because of Romans 2:4.
One in Christ
…13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace,who has made the two one and has torn downthe dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace
The biggest thing is not denominations or differences of how a persons believer or doesn't,
It is about love... loving all people no matter what they do, or how they act, to forgive and love for God and love for others. His Kindness, and our suffering for Christ goes a long way to make a difference of those of the world, and those of heaven, by agape love.
Waiting on him
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I personally believe that Gods creation began in the first century, Jesus being the first born of His creation, I don’t personally believe any prior to Jesus’s were created of God.
Bob Carabbio
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Lifelong_sinner
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wait…. What?? Wow! You pulled a two-fer. So 1. You think Jesus is a created person and 2. That God didnt create adam and eve? Or the world?
LOLOLOL the ignore list is growing by leaps and bounds today.
The word I used was not corrupt but "corruptible". Adam and Eve were not made corrupt but clean and pure. They were corruptible but they need not have been corrupted. They effectively chose to corrupt themselves when they chose to disobey God.
This may all be to the good when people understand God and God's Word.
My questions pertained to the whole plan of God for men. With perfect vision from God, we would be able to see the whole plan. We must have some vision in order to not perish. Who has a whole and crystal-clear vision of God and God's plan?
"Where there is no vision, the people perish:.." Prov 29:18
Which direction should our vision be going?
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" I John 3:2
Where did Jesus, the man, start? Did he not grow and should we not also grow?
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@dhh712 Here's that reference: Luke 18.19
.....Romans 2.4 shows that it's the 'goodness of God that leadeth thee to repentance'.....
To a lost world, 'whosoever believeth' of John 3.16 can be joyfully proclaimed; a good and holy and loving God cannot be blamed for remaining unbelief among His rebellious and sinful creatures.
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