Is the world under sin considering Jesus paid for it?

[Waiting on him]

wait…. What?? Wow! You pulled a two-fer. So 1. You think Jesus is a created person and 2. That God didnt create adam and eve? Or the world?

LOLOLOL the ignore list is growing by leaps and bounds today.

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

[Lambano]

I personally believe that Gods creation began in the first century, Jesus being the first born of His creation, I don’t personally believe any prior to Jesus’s were created of God.

Who did create the universe, then?

Marcionism - Wikipedia

 

[Waiting on him]

Who did create the universe, then?

Marcionism - Wikipedia

God.

 

[Lambano]

I personally believe that Gods creation began in the first century, Jesus being the first born of His creation, I don’t personally believe any prior to Jesus’s were created of God.

Who did create the universe, then?

God.

And the people in the universe between Adam and Christ? Who created them?

 

[MatthewG]

I believe, I could be wrong, but what Waiting for him, is trying to say is that the first-born Christian’s were of the first century those who would end up being the bride of Christ in Jesus day and age.

I do believe God created, the universe and everything in it, and used the nation of Israel to fulfill his purposes but those who were going to be the first fruits would indeed be those who were able to have access to God in the first century being the bride of Christ, @Lambano.

 

[MatthewG]

The word I used was not corrupt but "corruptible". Adam and Eve were not made corrupt but clean and pure. They were corruptible but they need not have been corrupted. They effectively chose to corrupt themselves when they chose to disobey God.

This may all be to the good when people understand God and God's Word.

My questions pertained to the whole plan of God for men. With perfect vision from God, we would be able to see the whole plan. We must have some vision in order to not perish. Who has a whole and crystal-clear vision of God and God's plan?

"Where there is no vision, the people perish:.." Prov 29:18

Which direction should our vision be going?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" I John 3:2

Where Jesus, the man, start? Did he not grow and should we not also grow?

All Christian’s should grow, though there are many parts of the body, from the toe, to the shoulder, to the heart, to the veins, not everyone is remotely the same other than their faith in the one whom, believers, are part of this body of Christ in which we grow, and we be who we will be knowing that the I am, is within us.

 

[Lambano]

I believe, I could be wrong, but what Waiting for him, is trying to say is that the first-born Christian’s were of the first century those who would end up being the bride of Christ in Jesus day and age.

I do believe God created, the universe and everything in it, and used the nation of Israel to fulfill his purposes but those who were going to be the first fruits would indeed be those who were able to have access to God in the first century being the bride of Christ, @Lambano.

Sorry, Matthew, but I've been down this road before, and I've seen it heading in a different direction, one that glorifies Satan as co-creator of the human race and justifies hating others who are like we were before Christ came into our lives.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Waiting on him]

And the people in the universe between Adam and Christ? Who created them?

Their mom and dad.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe, I could be wrong, but what Waiting for him, is trying to say is that the first-born Christian’s were of the first century those who would end up being the bride of Christ in Jesus day and age.

I do believe God created, the universe and everything in it, and used the nation of Israel to fulfill his purposes but those who were going to be the first fruits would indeed be those who were able to have access to God in the first century being the bride of Christ, @Lambano.

Jesus identified his disciples as the children of the bride chamber.

 

[ChristisGod]

God.

so this earth was created at the time Jesus walked this earth with His disciples ?

 

[ChristisGod]

I personally believe that Gods creation began in the first century, Jesus being the first born of His creation, I don’t personally believe any prior to Jesus’s were created of God.

yikes I have never ever in my entire life heard of anyone who believe this.

Got scripture to dismiss the entire genealogy from abraham to Jesus ?

Matthew 1
This is the genealogya]">[a] of Jesus the Messiahb]">[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:


2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiahc]">[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.

 

[APAK]

yikes I have never ever in my entire life heard of anyone who believe this.

Got scripture to dismiss the entire genealogy from abraham to Jesus ?

Matthew 1
This is the genealogya]">[a] of Jesus the Messiahb]">[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:


2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiahc]">[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.

You have to read and understand the context in which he wrote....the 1st born of creation...Yahshua...so I agree with his post.

 

[Waiting on him]

Got scripture to dismiss the entire genealogy from abraham to Jesus ?

Before Abraham was, I Am.
None could be born of God till Jesus was resurrected.

How can you be a teacher and not understand this?

 

[ChristisGod]

Before Abraham was, I Am.
None could be born of God till Jesus was resurrected.

How can you be a teacher and not understand this?

I'm talking about physical lineage not spiritual. Plus the Son is eternal.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm talking about physical lineage not spiritual. Plus the Son is eternal.

I’m sorry Chris, you’ll just have to read the scripture the way you choose. I just have a different perspective, right or wrong I alone have to witness.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm talking about physical lineage not spiritual. Plus the Son is eternal.

Jesus told us who his father is.

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry, Matthew, but I've been down this road before, and I've seen it heading in a different direction, one that glorifies Satan as co-creator of the human race and justifies hating others who are like we were before Christ came into our lives.

I hope I'm wrong.

Where did you ever see or hear that at from someone in real life in your experience with others?

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus told us who his father is.

Did the Father exist before the Son ?

 

[Waiting on him]

Did the Father exist before the Son ?

Absolutely!

 

[ChristisGod]

Absolutely!

Wrong God is eternal and immutable- the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.