What if you lose your faith?

[farouk]

Yes, in 'Chariots of Fire' Abrahams is sulking because he's just lost a race, then up comes Sam Mussabini the trainer and says "I can give you another yard".
The rest is history, Abrahams goes on to win Olympic Gold.
In a sense, Jesus is the "trainer" that humans need to win the race for salvation..

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@Dropship :

"He which hath begun a good work for you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1.6)......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, he died for all sinners, not just your favorite sinner to hate:

"18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God." 1 Peter 3:18​

Yeah....I “ really” need to hear this.....give me a break....even YOU know that that accusation is Pure B. S.......how many time have “ I” and NOT you taught that Jesus died for EVERY SIN ever Committed on this Planet—- even the Sins Of Hitler —- and all a person has to do in order to get Saved is to “ Cash- In” on what Jesus has already accomplished.....

I often disagree with you but I have always Respected you as an “ Honest Debater”..... you KNOW BETTER than to make this False Accusation and you know it Better than ANYBODY! Stop pulling stuff out of your A.. er, ah, rear-end to try to score points in what always has been an honest exchange of ideas and beliefs.....I think that you are smarter and better than that....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The crowd, who wouldn't know a legalist from their local postman gave their overwhelming support to the murder of Jesus.

"23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross." Acts of the Apostles 2:23​

Read your Bible.....the crowd was so divided that Pilate had to put the matter to a vote—- you really think that Jesus had no friends or supporters there—— even among the Jews! Jesus hand multitudes Of people that loved him and they were All Jews ....not ALL of the Jews were “ religious” Jews that despised Jesus .....Jesus was so popular with the *UN* self- Righteous Jews and the common man, the Evil Jewish Leaders KNEW IT, and their Jealousy Of Him was the MAIN Reason they wanted Him killed!
Jesus had attracted Huge crowds wherever He went, the Crowds Of common people loved him and pressed around him to hear every word that he uttered! They saw his wonderful, joyous healings given to everybody that asked for them....

The people loathed the Pharisees —- all the Pharisees ever did was to condemn people for their sins, thinking that They Themselves were “ above” Sinning.....All the Pharisees could ever do is show the common Sinner their Contempt—- they saw the common man cheering Jesus and Loving Him and they could not stand it...

Another reason why it was the Religious Jews that killed Jesus and NOT the common people was because Jesus Exposed theTrue Sinfulness and the Phoniness if the Pharisees....

So your claim is baseless—- MANY supporters of Jesus were in that Crowd—- not EVERYBODY cried , “ Free Barabas” .....Remember.....Jesus was followed and loved by “ Multitudes”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I agree.

But we weren't discussing Acts 10:13
You, or someone, I'm losing track, brought up John 10.

My point is that we must be in the fold at the time of our death.

My Point would Be That If it * IS* Mandatory to “ be in the Fold” ( or if anything “ Else” is Mandatory) , it is up to God to see that it comes to pass——* HE* was the One that made the Promise To SAVE anybody that ASKED ! I DID just THAT—— I * ASKED* ! Now the Onus is upon Him to fulfill His Promise ! Call me a Fool, but I actually Trust God to Keep His Word—- in SPITE of anything I might do as I “Stumble” along my Walk Of Faith....

Because of the Amazing Grace Of God, this will not be a problem....Because I Simply REST in The Gospel Of Grace God has not only “ Forgiven” my Sins, He has actually “ FORGOTTEN” them.....” Amazing Grace”, indeed.....

 

[Behold]

God knows what I do. You don't.

I know what you are, so, in that regard, God and I know you.
Ive seen or met your type of "here is how im trying to keep myself saved, because i dont BELIEVE that CHRIST ALONE Keeps me saved, unless i DO SOMETHING"......for quite a few years.

Standard Legalism.... cut and dried.

 

[Behold]

Being a witness does not mean you witnessed the crucifixion of Christ. You are a witness to what ever grace you have received through Christ. As a witness of that grace you testify to others about what you have seen and heard and experienced in your own relationship with God. That's called being a witness. We refer to it as witnessing.

Perhaps you should try that once, instead of living on all my Threads, screeching your Legalism self saving "gospel"... trying to convince real believers they can lose their Salvation.

 

[Behold]

I believe exactly what he says there. DEAD branches are cut off and burned. DEAD branches have no fruit on them. DEAD branches do not have the life giving sap of the trunk in them. That's why they are cast off from the tree and burned.

That verse is symbolic, so let me show you a truth about it..

The "SAP" you are talking about that comes from JESUS......is the Holy Spirit.
So, these Branches, have no SAP....they have never Truly BELIEVED, they are not born again = have no SAP in them......no Holy Spirit.
=if you dont have the Holy Spirit in you, you don't belong to God.
Thats why these unsaved branches are burned.

John 3:36

 

[Behold]

You'd think that those that are working to earn salvation are sinners!
.

People who are "working to earn salvation" do not have God's "GIFT of Salvation".
So,, they are going to hell.
God does not accept anyone's works to accept them.
Read the account of CAIN, in GENESIS, as he tried that TRICK....>He didnt bring the BLOOD, and brought his WORKS to God and God told Cain to GET OUT !!!!!
= "depart from me, i never KNEW YOU">

See that?
Same thing the Legalist is trying today.

 

[Behold]

="GodsGrace, post: 1337984, member: 7593"
I feel that if they don't know the answer, then who does?

Who does?
Paul.
So, eject the Early Church Fathers, get out of the "cult of Mary", and get a Bible that has Paul in it.

As why not go to the SOURCE????,........Hes in the NEW TESTAMENT.
He wrote nearly all of it that is not the Gospels or the Revelation.
So, that you talk about the "Catholic Writers"< as if Paul is not in the NT, is really just hard to understand., tho, i know that the Cult Of Mary is not in favor of a member doing much with a bible, unless its their demonic bible.
It was not until '1961 that they authorize their deceived to read a bible.
Till then, you were to go and find a Priest or similar if you had a "question".
Perhaps, all of that is why you have such an issue regarding your understanding of Salvation.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oi vey, what are we going to do with you, BB, lol:

"Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" 2 Peter 2:7​

Double LOL.....You are making my Point for me ! Read the story Of Lot! He lived a Rotten life.....willing to hand over his children to be raped by a mob....he had sex with his own Daughters ....He Ripped- Off Abraham and the Clincher—- the Main Reason I brought up his name for all of you “ RepentanceWorshippers “ out there —- is because as evil as he was he was STILL counted as being Righteous because of his Faith.....He died drunk in a cave and their is NO RECORD of his ever “ RELENTING” for that Sin as he died—— its very difficult to “repent” of a Sin when you are passed out as he was....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Right. Great movie.
This brings to mind ...

Luke 16:6-9
6And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any.
7“And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’
8“And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer;
9and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’”

Salvation is NOT a Race to be Run—— It is a “GIFT” to be Received.....The “ Race” is for Heavenly Rewards..

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That is correct. But it's not impossible that one be baptized in the power of the Spirit at their water baptism. Particularly, if the invitation to be water baptized is presented that way.

If baptism were “presented” that way, it was done in ignorance ....God-Sent Preachers make it clear that Water Baptism has NOTHING to do with getting Saved or Receiving the Holy Spirit....

Are you “ Baptized” Into “ The Body Of Christ” by RESTING in Paul’s Gospel ? THAT is the only Baptism that counts for Salvation....Water Baptism is a “ picture” of that.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I made note of this in my posts. What I'm defending here is the fact that water baptism is also a legitimate way a person can be empowered with a gift of the Spirit.

You can get the same thing just lying on a couch....trust me.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Acts 2:38, is not ""the Gospel of the Grace of God"", that Jesus gave to Paul, YEARs later.

So, there is one more NT doctrine that you have no idea exists, among all the rest.

The common mistake that people make is reading Acts2:38 and STOPPING THERE! Acts is a Book Of Transition....Read it until the END! .....by the end it ain’t “ Repent , Get Baptized and Believe WHO Jesus * IS* ....it’s simply ( thanks to the emergence of Paul who by the END Of The Book Of Acts the Disciples agreed with) BELIEVE the Gospel Of 1 Cor 15 :1-4 which is not about who Jesus WAS —- it is about what Jesus DID!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I have no choice but to put you the category of the spiritually illiterate.

Hey!!!!!! How about *ME* ???? I feel like I am being NEGLECTED! ROBBED! To paraphrase FDR as he ridiculed his critics—- “ I welcome their Hatred!” Please include me in anything that you think is Wrong—— so far it has been the best indicator that I Am Right....

I envy you at this moment, Behold.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You'd think that those that are working to earn salvation are sinners!

Congratulation! You have just PROVEN that you got it ALL exactly Backwards ! Salvation is NOT a Reward for those that “ think” that they are Good Enough to Earn Salvation.....—— it is a GIFT for the Guilty that KNOW and ADMIT that they are “ Guilty” and but their COMPLETE TRUST in the Blood Of Jesus Plus NOTHING to Save them....

“ By Grace you are Saved , and NOT by Works, lest any man would boast....”

Let’s see how Impressed God will be with your “ Boasting” on Judgement Day...you cant say that you were not warned .....I am like Paul—- I “ boast “ of NOTHING , but “ Christ “ and “ Him Crucified “ ....

You are in more Trouble than you could possibly imagine....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Interesting question.
You'd think that those that are working to earn salvation are sinners!
Here's the good part...
IF they're working to gain salvation,
BUT they do have faith in God,
VOILA...they're saved!

Doctrine does not save.
Jesus saves.

Working to earn your Salvation and Faith in God are two polar opposites.....You are as Blind as it gets...you will be in my prayers ....you are Lost and don’t know it....

 

[GEN2REV]

I believe exactly what he says there. DEAD branches are cut off and burned. DEAD branches have no fruit on them. DEAD branches do not have the life giving sap of the trunk in them. That's why they are cast off from the tree and burned.

1. He doesn't say that in John 15:2 & John 15:6. Or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter.
2. Jesus cannot have anything DEAD inside Him. He's the Tree of Life for cryin' out loud.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I know what you are, so, in that regard, God and I know you.
Ive seen or met your type of "here is how im trying to keep myself saved, because i dont BELIEVE that CHRIST ALONE Keeps me saved, unless i DO SOMETHING"......for quite a few years.

Standard Legalism.... cut and dried.

It’s always the same —- “ Why , SURE Jesus Saves !—- BUT!” Wherever that “ BUT” is —- Legalism follows....

Jesus Saves. Period.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Perhaps you should try that once, instead of living on all my Threads, screeching your Legalism self saving "gospel"... trying to convince real believers they can lose their Salvation.

Nothing changes.....Paul wrote to the Galatians, “ But there are some that ‘ Trouble You”....

“Troubling” True Believers That are trying to Rest in the Gospel Of Grace plus Nothing is the specialty of several Modern- Day Judaizers in these Forums.....Jesus said that if you Simply Believe the Gospel He will Save you....These guys remind me of Satan back in the Garden ....sewing doubt in God’s Word.....when Jesus says he will save you by the Gospel, these guys respond with “ Yea....hath God REALLY said ?” Ring a bell? They teach False Gospels, is it any wonder that they are “ Accursed?”..... Read Galatians 1:8 and discover your future...