Beheaded OSAS: Soul Separation from the Body

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Normally, no sensible person would bother arguing how the head of the body is the head, and without the head, the body is dead, even as without the spirit that is in the head.

But these are not sensible times: Modern OSAS teaches a kind of soul separation from the body at salvation, so that when the soul is saved, the soul becomes separated from the body, so that the soul is forever heavenly preserved blameless of any more sinning of the old hapless body on earth. (A unique twist on being 'left behind')

And so, the old man of sin therefore has no more soul to head over it nor guide it, which means, when the soul is saved, the soul departs upward, while the poor old sinning body remains downward still sinning: Their old bodies are beheaded of their souls, Beheaded old bodies of sin.

This is how they are able to say that it is no more I in my body doing the sinning, but that old sinful body doing all things on it's own.

This is how they are also able to claim that they love God in the soul, spirit, and mind, but are simply unable to stop that old hapless body from sinning, This is the self-justifying double heartedness for life they say Rom 7 teaches for all Christians still on earth.

When they say they can't help themselves from sinning in the flesh, they are simply saying their souls are now too far away in heaven to do anything about it: the headless body is now become it's own head called the old man of sin.

One person even goes so far as to agree that the old body now is sort of on autopilot for the rest of it's days, It is only now doing what it was predetermined and programmed to do at the foundation of the earth: a sort of premade video just being played out to the end.

Rebuttal:

It is therefore necessary to show by Scripture, how that the soul is the head and headship of the body, while the body remains alive on earth:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

We see here, that God breathed into the nostrils of man's body the breath of Life, so that man became a living soul: The living soul is in the head and is the living headship of the body.

No soul, no headship, no head for the body: Beheaded on earth.

There is no body on earth, whose soul is not their headship within their mortal bodies. (I know, redundancy ad nauseum, but necessary when refuting the Great Mystery of OSAS)


And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


We see here once again that the soul is the head of the body, living within the body.

Christ is the living Soul of the everlasting God, in whose image we are created by Christ, Therefore, even as He was head of His on body unto death on the cross, so are we.

So then, from the womb, the soul of man created alive by the spirit of Christ is the headship of the mortal body, and remains so through all our days on earth: the soul never departs nor is separated from the body, nor is it without responsibility for the deeds, else the body be left headless with no headship at all.

Conclusion:

Jesus Christ does not come and send our heads to heaven, while He takes over the body: Christianity is not spirit possession.

OSAS literally teaches a christ possession of their old bodies, while they go away to a far higher country, waiting for their resurrected spiritual bodies to catch up with them.

Their old hapless sinful bodies are not beheaded of the old sinning and now newly living soul, that is flown away to heaven on wings of angels, while the spirit within them takes over to watch it all play out unto the end.

OSAS teaching of soul separation from the body is demon possession of the flesh.

Why? Just to get rid of James 2 and deny that we are justified by works in the flesh, which does not include sinning for the devil against God.
 
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Christians are not headless horsemen, whose souls have been spirited away to heaven, while their bodies still run wild on earth.

OSAS is theology of spiritual psychosis.
 

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I agree. OSAS does not make a whole lot of sense when reading the Bible. It’s a purely man made invention so as to justify sin.
 
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Interesting @robert derrick

Good stuff!

If people would just spend more time reading their Bibles, independent of their sects theology, they would slowly come to see the truth.
It’s a shame a good many more would not turn from theology that they have taken on board from others over the years !
I do hope everyone here independently reads their bibles , including you and others that throw stones at others all the time………
 

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Interesting @robert derrick

Good stuff!

If people would just spend more time reading their Bibles, independent of their sects theology, they would slowly come to see the truth.
It's how I came to see the truth, by reading a Bible a former coworker gave me, I started to see the truth right away, though it took me several years for me to depart from my Church, seeing it was against everything the Bible preached.
 
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When they say they can't help themselves from sinning in the flesh, they are simply saying their souls are now too far away in heaven to do anything about it: the headless body is now become it's own head called the old man of sin.
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Who in the world thinks that?

If you want to learn this doctrine, I can explain it to you, but as I've read just a few of your posts from these past several days, it's clear to me you have some very erroneous ideas about the doctrine you speak against.

OSAS literally teaches a christ possession of their old bodies, while they go away to a far higher country, waiting for their resurrected spiritual bodies to catch up with them.

Much love!
 

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It’s a shame a good many more would not turn from theology that they have taken on board from others over the years !

I have rejected every teaching outside of the Bible since I began in the faith. Many have indeed been leavened so that unity in the faith seems to be an impossibility.

I do hope everyone here independently reads their bibles , including you

I do.

About 4-times a year.
 
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Who in the world thinks that?

If you want to learn this doctrine, I can explain it to you, but as I've read just a few of your posts from these past several days, it's clear to me you have some very erroneous ideas about the doctrine you speak against.



Much love!
I am amazed at all the new threads @robert derrick opened with his anti osas hate, where he proves time and time again, he does not even understand what OSAS is or what those who believe in eternal security believe
 

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I am amazed at all the new threads @robert derrick opened with his anti osas hate, where he proves time and time again, he does not even understand what OSAS is or what those who believe in eternal security believe
For myself, I like to engage in "reflective listening", AKA "active listening". This is where you repeat back to someone in your own words what they've said. And if they say, Yes, that's right! then you know you've understood, and they know it too. Or if I'm a little off, they can restate what they are saying to clarify. Then I restate that back to them in my own words, and we do this until they say, "Yes, you understand!"

Personally I find arguing and debating to be worse than useless when we don't understand each other's views.

Much love!
 

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I agree. OSAS does not make a whole lot of sense when reading the Bible. It’s a purely man made invention so as to justify sin.
To justify sin? Or to purify from sin?

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The certainty of our salvation is what causes us to live pure lives.

Much love!
 
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I agree, I don't think we need to attack OSAS people. They feel they need to say and believe they are saved, and that gives them comfort perhaps. I'm not OSAS and perhaps it's better to just share my beliefs about saying I am saved when the Father, Son and Holy Spirit make it so. But before then I am in probation. We are all scheduled for the judgment, lets not assume anything.
 
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Normally, no sensible person would bother arguing how the head of the body is the head, and without the head, the body is dead, even as without the spirit that is in the head.

And Yet here you are babbling off nonsense...LOL

Modern OSAS teaches a kind of soul separation from the body at salvation, so that when the soul is saved, the soul becomes separated from the body, so that the soul is forever heavenly preserved blameless of any more sinning of the old hapless body on earth. (A unique twist on being 'left behind')

Yet AGAIN you ATTEMPT to SPEAK FOR OTHERS, what they DO NOT SAY!

LOL....:rolleyes:


Scripture TEACHES Living souls DEPART out of Physically Dying Body’s, in OPPOSITION to your False teaching.

Separation of the Living Soul from a physically Dying Body, HAS nothing to do with SALVATION! Duh, it has to do with The Living soul, NOT BEING IN A DEAD BODY!

Did your widdle grey matter FORGET, Gods Breath is the LIFE of the Living Soul....ARE you completely UNKNOWING....Gods LIFE Does not Die!

No need to go further...Begin with a Lie, only builds on a LIE.
 

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so eternal life based on grace through faith is a man made invention?

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ (John 14:6), and it’s not a super power or magical wish granted to you.
Christ alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).
He that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
The assurance that we know the Lord (or abide in Him) is if we find we are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3).
The person who says they know the Lord and they don’t keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).
So if you want to live forever, abide in the Lord.
For if you live after the flesh (sin), you will die, but if you put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) by the Spirit, you will live (live eternally) (Romans 8:13).
Sin can separate a believer from God.
Sin in a person’s life or their justifying sin will mean that God will not even hear their prayers (Psalms 66:18) (John 9:31).

You said:
Who are the people justifying sin? I think you better look inside my friend..

Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections and lusts.
1 Peter 4:1-2 says Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Whenever I mention these verses to OSASers or Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationists, they don’t believe them in what they say.

On top of that, most of them also falsely think 1 John 1:8 is saying that a believer must be in some kind of sin the rest of their whole life on some level. If not, they deceive themselves, and the truth is not in them. But in reality, 1 John 1:8 is refuting the false gnostic belief that denied the existence of sin in general. Meaning, if we say we have no sin (If we do happen to sin on rare occasion), we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. They also love to quote Isaiah and say that our righteousness is as filthy rags and yet they are reading that verse in Isaiah out of context. In reality, it’s talking about man made righteousness that is not the righteous acts of God that He requires of us (From His Holy Word).

OSASers admitted to me that if a believer looked upon a woman in lust, and then got hit by a bus and then died before they had a chance to confess of that sin to Jesus, they would be saved. This is a denial of 1 John 1:9 that says you have to confess of sin in order to be forgiven of it. In fact, Jesus says we are in danger of hellfire if we look upon a woman in lust. Yet again. They don’t believe the words of Jesus.

The list goes on and on.

So yes. To deny the real reality of these verses and or the words of our Lord means one is justifying sin on some level.
 

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To justify sin? Or to purify from sin?

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The certainty of our salvation is what causes us to live pure lives.

Much love!

This has to be read in balance with Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1, as well.
Most OSASers or Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationists think they cannot stop sinning this side of Heaven.
Many of them tell me they sin daily in thought, an deed multiple times a day, and they believe they are saved by His grace or belief alone on the finished work of the cross alone (Despite their sins). This is simply not what we read about in the Scriptures.

One is either on the path of eradicating sin out of their life for good (i.e. They are seeking to overcome sin in this life), or one is justifying sin.
Does one believe they will sin again at some future date again? Or do they fight and battle against sin and seek to overcome it? Therein lies the difference.

Purifying is not a problem for OSASers because they believe they are become more holy over the course of their whole life but they believe they will never overcome grievous sin in this life that the Bible condemns with warnings of hellfire and condemnation.
 

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OSAS is not a doctrine arrived at with no using of scripture.
It’s just that it’s not the complete gospel.
If you receive Gods Spirit, you will live forever.
But that’s not complete. There are very hard things in the gospel too. We will be judged harder. We will be judged on what we did with what we were given.
 
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The false teaching of Dual Nature Theology is at the heart of OSAS.
This teaching basically says that a person must always sin in the flesh (at some point), but their soul and spirit is always saved by Jesus. This is why they believe they can sin and still be saved.
 
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OSAS is false because….

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).​

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​


We are told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).

  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).

  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

These things would not exist in Scripture if OSAS was true.