Spotting Heretics

[Ferris Bueller]

the work of redemption continues in the church, the gospel must be preached the disciples must be baptized and all the sacraments

That's not the work of redemption. That was finished one-time for all time 2000 years ago. The work of spreading the knowledge of the redemption Jesus finished in his own blood is what continues in the world.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and the sacraments

Uh, no. You do not have the finished work of redemption applied to you through the sacraments. That happens entirely by faith in the blood of redemption.

how do you put on Christ?

You receive the Holy Spirit when you believe.

"13 ...having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" Ephesians 1:13​

 

[amigo de christo]

What about baptism?

If the early church did it , DO IT . simple enough .

 

[amigo de christo]

Wycliffe was right in every way. Had the Catholic Church listened to him and repented, things could have turned out differently. The very fact that the CC hated him proves that he was right.

Here ya go thee faith . Me thinks Enoch summed it up quite well .

 

[Angelina]

I found this piece while googling "Heretic" -

What do heretics believe?

Most heretics – the ones we can identify, that is – tended to believe a very simple form of Christianity, based on literal readings of the New Testament. They placed high value on chastity, and were opposed to any ostentatious wealth and to the wealth and power structure of the church.

So It appears to me that heretics are the Christians who were basically simple believers, like me and are possibly not Catholic.

 

[Marymog]

That would be like saying because the Levitical Priests set the norm long ago, that John the Baptist, Jesus, and all the apostles were heretics. Or because Jesus had first claim, the Catholics are heretics for not walking from town to town in sandals.

But that is not at all how things actually work.

Hey Scott,

The sandal thing is a silly analogy and doesn't work for this discussion but I get the gist of what you are trying to say.

In regard to your "Levitical Priests" analogy: Jesus changed the old into new! He was the catalyst or the reason for the change from the normal teaching of the Levitical Priests to the new teaching. His teachings were the new norm. His teachings were, for a lack of better words, were God approved teachings. You can't be a heretic if you are teaching what God approved.

Historically we KNOW that the teachings or doctrines of The Church were the norm for all of Christianity. For the longest time in Christianity anyone who disagreed with those teachings were charged with heresy. Then some men came along that began to protest the teachings of The Church, the printing press was invented, society in general began to learn how to read on their own and more people began to protest because they all thought they knew better than The Church. That is why you are called "Protest"ants. Because you are protesting what historically has been taught by The Church since the beginning. When your forefathers began to protest the normal teaching of The Church, the norm changed. And then those men had men that split off from them that protested their teachings and then those men had men that split off from them and protested their teachings etc etc until Christianity has such a mess now that people like you sit all alone in your house reading Scripture telling everyone else they are wrong; Protesting everyone's teaching.

So your attempted analogy is not at all how things actually work.

 

[Marymog]

Firstly, I'm non-denominational and therefore not a Protestant or anything else..
Secondly the catholic church may have set the "norm", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's right "norm".
Thirdly, Jesus said- "You have one teacher, me" (Matthew 23:10), so therefore he's the only "norm" we need..
"There is no other name under heaven that can save us" (Acts 4:12)

Hey Dropship,

Protestant defined: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth

broadly defined: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

Do you accept the authority of the Pope? I know you don't so you check that box.
Are you a member of a Catholic or Eastern church? I know your are not so check that box.

I am glad that we can agree that the Catholic Church set the norm.

Who sets the "right norm"? You and your non-denominational friends?

 

[Marymog]

GOOD question . NO THEY DONT EITHER .

Good. We are in agreement. Anyone who calls themselves a christian and they support gay marriage and abortion they are not adhering to the teachings of Christ. Fortunately that is a very small group of people.

You believe you are adhering to the teachings of Christ. If I disagree with what YOU believe are the teachings of Christ am I not a Christian?

 

[Marymog]

You and BREADofLIFE do not call out Protestants.
You just teach Catholic deception........ mostly about Water, a cookie and juice, and of course the "perpetual virgin" "ascended to heaven", LIE.
You also pretend that the "cult of Mary" is of God, started by Peter.
That's your ministry, that you choose to accept, and its a Truth-Fail.

And what you teach is not deception?

Truth-Fail

 

[Marymog]

Thank you for the beautiful pictures of the statue of Mary and the Vicar of Christ.

My pleasure.
Anything i can do to reveal to you "the cult of Mary", and to the Protestant, the heresy of this "water cult", im obliged to do it for the Sake of Truth.[/QUOTE]
Your truth taught to you by your men...not THE truth. There is a BIG difference

 

[Marymog]

Jesus is the only "denomination" we need just like he said..-
"You have one teacher, me" (Matthew 23:10)
"There is one mediator between God and men- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)
"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends" (John 15:15)

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Hebrews 13:17

 

[Marymog]

I did warn us all i warn out against all that is false . No choosing sides , EITHER ITS JESUS , THE TRUTH , the SOUND DOCTRINE
or its fables and perdition .

Who's truth and sound doctrine?

Yours?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Who's truth and sound doctrine?

God’s as written in the holy scriptures.

 

[Marymog]

I found this piece while googling "Heretic" -

What do heretics believe?

Most heretics – the ones we can identify, that is – tended to believe a very simple form of Christianity, based on literal readings of the New Testament. They placed high value on chastity, and were opposed to any ostentatious wealth and to the wealth and power structure of the church.

So It appears to me that heretics are the Christians who were basically simple believers, like me and are possibly not Catholic.

That is interesting Angelina. I wonder how the author (Bob Moore?) of that piece would define a 'simple believer'? Or if Scripture addresses 'simple believers'?

That leads me to think of Matthew 7:22! Were the people that Jesus was talking about in that passage 'simple believers'? They believed enough that they could prophesy in His name and in His name drive out demons and perform many miracles! But he said he never knew them and that they practiced lawlessness. Maybe it isn't enough to be just a simple believer! We must also follow the law otherwise He will say the same to us: I never knew you!

All that leads me to think of Hebrews 13:17, 1 Timothy 5:17, Acts 20:28 etc! But now I am rambling so I digress....

 

[Marymog]

God’s as written in the holy scriptures.

Who's interpretation of God's holy Scriptures should I adhere to? Yours? The Catholic Churches? Methodists? Lutherans?

 

[farouk]

I don't believe that genuine, born again Christians can lose their salvation. Faith in of itself is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in and of course, faith must be placed exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation. We are saved by grace through faith in Christ and not by works.

@mailmandan Philippians 1.6: "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ".

 

[theefaith]

Wycliffe was a heretic!

Bible alone easily refuted by acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

Mary is the temple of God, God consecrated and dwelt in this temple for 9 months and it cannot be used for a ordinary purpose, and it is God who glorified his dwelling!


King david has love of Mary!

Psalm 26:8
Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

Sign of salvation Mary

Lk 1:45 all generations shall call me blessed!

Actually this is an exultation of thanksgiving for having obtain thier eternal salvation!

Mary and all the saints grace, virtues, and merits are from God’s infinite goodness mercy and love and they end in the God glory!

Not by nature but by supernatural grace!
Mary and the saints are what God made them not according nature but by the supernatural grace of God!

Glory to God for His mighty works and grace and mercy in His saints!

Biblical principle:

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!

So Mary CANNOT be a sinner or a bad tree!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Mary is the temple of God

All believers are:

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16)

 

[theefaith]

There is only one “Mother of God”!Lk 1:43

There is only one “Virgin-Mother”! Isa 7:14 perpetual virgin!

There is only one “Immaculate Conception” prepared by God for His only begotten son! Gen 3:15 Lk 1:28 Lk 1:49 Rev 12:1

There is only one “Handmaid of the Lord”! Lk 1:28

There is only one “Mother of our Savior” who consented to our salvation undoing the sin of Eve! Lk 1:28

Mary found our salvation lost by Adam! Lk 1:30

Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

There is only one “woman” who seed crushes satans proud head Gen 3:15 and is queen in heaven! Rev 12:1

There is only one who’s soul (existence) magnifies the Lord! Lk 1:46

We must declared Her “blessed”! Lk 1:48

And we cannot be disciples of Our Lord without taking Mary into our house! Jn 19:26:27