Right, so man is essential to the salvation process, correct?
Be honest with yourself, preacher.
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Be honest with yourself, preacher.
Jim B
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You are, of course, correct. However, "Truther" (as he likes to call himself) will not listen to reason. He is obsessed with one out-of-context verse and calls those of us who point out his errors "Acts skippers". Seriously!
Jim B
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Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God".
Jim B
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Oh, very clever -- not. What is wrong with you?????
Correct, as long as the preacher doesn't make his own Law out of that Gospel message, as you are doing.
Nowhere in scripture will you find that we must be water baptized to be saved, but will find that we must believe!
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You did it again, you left the book of Acts for salvation. The EPISTLE is written to the church which were saved through the book of Acts...
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
If you guys want to condemn yourselves before God by adding your own Laws to His Grace and thereby making that Grace void, I couldn't think of a better way!
amigo de christo
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Rather odd indeed . For a lamb would love all truth . They would want to joyfully be water baptised .
Just as they would love all things the glorious LORD and the biblical apostels had taught us and left us in the bible .
Lambs LOVE CHRIST above all , AND JESUS IS THE TRUTH as well as the ONLY WAY unto the Father .
Thus loving Christ means loving all things HE did teach and command as well as all good and wholesome truth
the biblical apostels WHO BY THE SPIRIT would later teach and instruct the church .
If JESUS said DO , and as we see by the SPIRIT the apostels later DID and taught TO DO , THEN THAT APPLIES
to all lambs through all ages TILL THE GLORIOUS LORD DOES COME .
amigo de christo
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We got us a problem . Since when would a lamb consider anything JESUS taught and did
and later commanded the apostels to teach others to do , BECOME SEEN AS LEGALISTIC . FOR IF LOVING CHRIST
aka OBEYING JESUS is now called legalism , then rest assured satan has decieved the peoples who beleive this to be legalism .
Man makes it legalism when adds to the finished work of Christ. Divided faith is no faith, it's all Christ's work or nothing!
Making a ceremony performed by man a requirement for His Grace in salvation is a slap in the face of the Father!
amigo de christo
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When man adds his own stuff , THAT IS LEGALISM . But when man simply brings all things JESUS did teach and said TO DO and to teach
THAT IS CALLED TRUTH . And hearers only but not doers , have decieved themselves . My advice
Read bibles for ourselves and stop trying to learn it through the lens of many world wise men but rather LEARN IT FOR YOU .
My advise is simple, don't add to the finished work of Christ! Common sense should tell you that we have no part in GRACE!!!
amigo de christo
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We have us one who has bought the lie . Many are saying such things now a days .
Saying either certain parts were later added in , OR saying things like , OH those things dont apply to us today .
EITHER WAY they are in dire and most deadly grave danger . THIS IS WHY , by grace for years
i have been pleading with all flesh to return to the bible for themselves and stop heeding these men who love to twist or omit
the things in the bible . But man will do as man will do , YET LAMBS WILL SIMPLY DO as JESUS said TO DO .
Loving all things written and recorded in that bible for our learning . KEEP the pattern IDENTICAL to what the early church
both taught and left us in that bible . AND LET NO MAN take thy crown .
amigo de christo
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How on earth is TEACHING to obey all things JESUS taught , ADDING TOO . NO this generation dont even know Grace .
Grace dont omit what JESUS nor the apostels taught . Grace teaches us OBEY AND LOVE ALL THINGS our LORD DID COMMAND and teach
and to also teach others to DO , to observe ALL things HE taught .
Therefore who so ever comes to ME and does digged deep and laid their house UPON THE TRUE FOUNDATION known as JESUS
but he who hears and does not , HAS NO FOUNDATION , HAS NOT CHRIST and all they have is the twisted grains of sand
of mens doctrines . AND THAT HOUSE AINT GONNA STAND , ITS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED . My advice stands
RETURN to bibles , WHILE THERE BE TIME TO DO SO and learn that JESUS , learn those apostles
FOR MANY are gonna say to CHRIST on HIS DAY , but LORD , but LORD and HE GONNA SAY depart from me
into the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone . CAUSE YA FOLLOWED another jesus , another grace , another gospel .
IT AINT gonna bode well for many . And since my desire is only good for all , WELL I shall POINT TO CHRIST and ALL HE DID TEACH
and command , just like the true ones did . Omit NOTHING , just learn and love all that Christ taught and later
by the SPIRIT the apostels would do so as well . AND dont cherry pick , EMBRACE IT ALL .
mailmandan
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Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed.
I was water baptized immediately after the church service when I accepted Christ as my Saviour.
It was made crystal clear to me that water baptism had no part in my salvation, but was the symbol of my dying with Christ, buried with Christ, and risen a new man in Christ. The salvation of my soul took place sitting in that church pew when I seen that I needed a Saviour and accepted Him as that, the Lord and Saviour of my eternal soul.
amigo de christo
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ITs all about FAITH IN CHRIST . Can a man seperate GOD from HIS WORD . NO .
Yet men try and seperate JESUS from his own words . What we love IS WHOSE we were .
Either we love Christ above all and obediance and loved are AS ONE . AS EVEN SAID OUR LORD .
MANY willl wail on the day of the LORD , for though they claimed HIS name they denied HIM .
But , but how did we deny HIM some might say , WHEN YOU DENY HIS TEACHING YE DENY HIM . SOLID fact
that even paul knew . HE who provides not , A DOING ACTION that JESUS TAUGHT , for his own and specially for those of
his own houshold , GUESS what HE JUST DENIED . THE FAITH . I Tried to tell us that paul and james were not in oppoistion at all
to what they taught . PUAL KNEW what dead faith was , just like james did .
I love the peoples so i IS a gonna point to CHRIST and all things HE DID command and teach . I suggest all do the same thing .
MAKE SURE ITS THE BIBLICAL JESUS WE LOVE AND DO FOLLOW . Too many are following another jesus .
And that one cannot save .
amigo de christo
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What saved you WAS FAITH IN JESUS . That alone is what saves us , ITS JUST if we are truly HIS , truly OF HIM
we would love and do all things he did teach . FOR THE LOVE OF GOD , That is shed BY THE SPIRIT upon
the hearts of the born again lambs , IT LOVETH TRUTH , IT LOVETH CHRIST , IT LOVETH GOD and JESUS teachings
are in no way griveious to a lamb . THERE IS GREAT PEACE in CHRIST .
COME YE unto ME all who do labor and are weary and YE shall find REST for your souls .
What would have been the result if I thought that His finished work was not enough, I had to be water baptized to complete the Grace of salvation?
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