In praise of Mary!

[Marine0311]

Only in your world of denial and deception could it not mean what it says. Mary——>her sons——>her daughters. Carpenters son (Jesus)——->mother is Mary——>brothers ——-> sisters. Now let the pagan spin begin.

 

[Taken]

most people were illiterate until the 20th century

Rare & Expensive (even after the printing press)
Faith comets by hearing not reading.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God.
Don’t be ignorant of intent.
The intent is Faith comes by RECEIVING the Word of God.
Don’t be ignorant, NOT ALL PEOPLE CAN HEAR!

Mary was already immaculate

That is FALSE. Mary was naturally born of her earthly father and earthly mothers Seeds. Nothing unusual, Nothing spectacular, Nothing immaculate about Mary’s own birth.
Mary’s mother and Mary’s father came together, had sex, their seeds mixed, her fathers seed, fertilized her mothers seed...and according to the natural process of manKIND, Mary’s mother became conceived, (Pregnant) and according to Gods ORDER and WAY for mankind, approx 9 months later Mary was naturally born IN SIN, via man-KINDS seed. Just like every other naturally born earthling out of the dust of the earth.

Y’all got yourselves in a pickle...Making up a false narrative of Mary being naturally born without sin...SEEMS y’all IGNORE, for Mary to have been born without sin...SO ALSO would her parents “reproductive” seeds have to had been “WITHOUT” sin! And for her parents to have been without sin, so also would Mary’s parents, parents had to be without sin...and IF you actually studied Scripture...YOU Would FIND, the FIRST man Adam, WAS NOT BORN, but was CREATED, and then MADE, “very good”, NOT SINLESS, and Adam’s seed, reproduced offspring, that NONE were born WITHOUT SIN...and NONE thereafter were even “very good”!!

* There is a Reason God reveals the KNOWLEDGE of the Beginning (History) of His Creation and Making.
* Primarily SO, when Organizations like “your church”, and People like “you” Promote a FALSE narrative, Gods Word is readily Available to VERIFY what organization and people promote IS TRUE or FALSE.
* It matters NOT that you ALSO promote rejection of reliance on SCRIPTURE to Verify the Truth of God. That simply REVEALS the DEPTH of Corruption you are WILLING to “perpetuate your FALSE narrative”.
* AND YOU, implying your “church organization” has the same standing to reject reliance on Scripture to Verify the Truth of God, simply implies “your church organization”, also promotes a DEEP willingness to “perpetuate a FALSE narrative” in Opposition to Gods Word.

* The mystifying thing is; You appear bewildered, WHY other people, Promoting Gods Word... REJECT your FALSE narrative.

and filled with the Holy Spirit Lk 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

It is sadly obvious, you are oblivious that is was Elizabeth that was filled with the Holy Spirit...and you FALSELY preach it was Mary, not Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:
[40] And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
[41] And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:


It is sadly obvious, you are oblivious that is was Mary’s VIRGIN WOMB, being solicited by God for a particular 9 month Service unto God.

It is sadly obvious, you are oblivious WHY of all the VIRGIN WOMBS on the planet, God chose Mary’s VIRGIN WOMB.

Making up a False narrative ABOUT Mary, IS NOT honoring Mary’s memory, but rather making a mockery of Mary’s memory.

 

[Jim B]

it does not say or make them children of Mary!

Jacob had 12 sons , do you assume they all had the same mother?

Are you nuts? The Bible says that Jesus had brothers! Because it says that "While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers came and stood outside, asking to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you.” Do you really think that "your mother" means His step-mother? Or "your brothers" means his step-brothers. Or whatever else your mind can come up with to avoid the truth of the Bible?

P.S. Jacob's sons has nothing to do with the above.

What are you going to say to Jesus when (if!) you get to heaven? "Oh, I'm sorry that I twisted the words of the Bible"? His reply will be "Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!"

 

[theefaith]

All of this is a distortion of Scripture! Why not accept what the Bible actually says instead of parroting what your "priests" tell you?

how do you know what the Bible says?

where does it say what is and what not scripture?

where does it say not to hear the church?

where does it say you have authority to interpret scripture?

Do Christians have spiritual fathers?

what is the second commandment from scripture alone please?

 

[theefaith]

All of this is a distortion of Scripture! Why not accept what the Bible actually says instead of parroting what your "priests" tell you?

The most Common form of blasphemy!

Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!

They put themselves in the place of God!

God alone can determine truth and morals!

We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!

Pride, presumption, and arrogance are the high virtures of Protestantism fundamentalism!

Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is truth!
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31

 

[theefaith]

Mary is "most holy" to you and other RCCs perhaps, but Scripture says no such thing.
Mary is not "ever virgin mother". She had intercourse with Joseph several times, giving birth to Jesus' siblings.
Mary is not "mother of our salvation". That phrase doesn't appear in Scripture anywhere. It's a made-up RCC term.

How could a sinner be a virgin bringing forth the savior of the world? Because that's the way God planned it. (BTW, she was not a "perpetual virgin" -- see above)

Luke 1:28-29, " The angel came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled by his words and began to wonder about the meaning of this greeting." She was greatly troubled by being called "favored one"!

Lk 1: 45 "And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord." says nothing about her being faithful.

How could sinner be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world? She was not a perpetual virgin (for the nth time!) She was a sinner chosen by God.

How could sinner be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus in Her? Because God is God and can do as He wishes. BTW, Mary is not "the immaculate conception". She was a young woman, not an activity.

Lk 2:30 is Jesus Christ in his person our salvation?

 

[Jim B]

I am perpetually astonished at the obsession with Mary! Who is the main figure of the New Testament?

JESUS CHRIST!

This obsession with Mary is a clear and deliberate attempt to focus God's word on an insignificant person who, compared to Jesus (especially) and the apostles, was a very minor character. She was chosen to give birth to Jesus and is mentioned only a few times in the Bible. In terms of the message of the New Testament, she is insignificant.

It is obvious to me that the Catholic clergy deliberately plays up the importance of Mary (and Peter), thereby diminishing the importance of the Savior, the appropriate focus of the New Testament. If I had to come up with a scheme to diminish the importance of God's Son, the Savior of the world, I couldn't think of a better way to accomplish my (evil) goal than what the Catholic clergy has invented.

How can people be so stupid????

 

[theefaith]

You have been duped.

Mary was not naturally born without sin.
* umpteen Scriptural verses reveal JESUS was without sin, had no sin.

*Not one Scriptural verse says Mary was without sin.

*Not one Scriptural verse says God has a mother, a father, or is descended from anyone, anything.

*Not one Scriptural verse says Mary did not have a sexual relationship with her husband Joseph.

* Joseph, husband of Mary was told while he slept:
Matt 1:
[20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
[25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

The Scripture is PLAIN and to the Point.
* Joseph DID as the angel of the Lord told him to do.
* Joseph married Mary.
* Joseph was encouraged to name the baby John, but named the baby JESUS.
* And Joseph waited according to Jewish Customs and the angel of the Lords bidding, to NOT have sexual intercourse with Mary UNTIL AFTER the birth of the male child.

* Jewish religious Custom was to NOT have sexual intercourse after a females issue of blood had been stopped for 7 days, as well a waiting period of 7 days after the birth of a male child (14 days for birth of a female child), as well as a complete immersion bathing of the woman., as well as complete cleansing of bed linens, clothing.

* Nothing whatsoever says or hints that Mary or Joseph did not adhere to the purification requirements of a woman with blood issue or after the birth of a child.

* Nothing whatsoever says or hints that Mary was Thereafter barren, but expressly indicated her FIRST born, implying more thereafter.

* Nothing whatsoever says or hints that Mary or Joseph, opposed, rejected Gods command for husbands and wives to multiply.

Jesus intimated to learn about Him from Him, through a childs’ eyes, which is to say, without preconceived notions.

Don’t be one knocking saying Lord, Lord, Did’t I USE your Name, to preach a Mary, Mary, Mary, agenda, and teach repeatedly against the Bible...

fundamentalism is spiritual blindness anarchy and chaos

the church is well ordered with the authority of Christ

the true church has always believed and taught these doctrines to all men as Christ commanded Matt 28:19

 

[Marine0311]

fundamentalism is spiritual blindness anarchy and chaos

the church is well ordered with the authority of Christ

the true church has always believed and taught these doctrines to all men as Christ commanded Matt 28:19

 

[Marine0311]

fundamentalism is spiritual blindness anarchy and chaos

the church is well ordered with the authority of Christ

the true church has always believed and taught these doctrines to all men as Christ commanded Matt 28:19

 

[Marine0311]

Your cult created doctrines that are not in scripture ,and have you ever wondered why not one Apostle supports what you pawn off as truths ? You are living proof that God’s written word means nothing to many. Your ilk contradicts scriptures with your man made traditions and then tries to force the lies you have created into scripture, but your traditions do not fit in the scriptures because they are lies. Open your eyes and heart to God and He will lead you out of Mary worship and idolatry into His glorious truth.

 

[Marine0311]

how do you know what the Bible says?

where does it say what is and what not scripture?

where does it say not to hear the church?

where does it say you have authority to interpret scripture?

Do Christians have spiritual fathers?

what is the second commandment from scripture alone please?

 

[Marine0311]

You violate the 2nd commandment every-time you pray to or depend on Mary.

 

[Jim B]

fundamentalism is spiritual blindness anarchy and chaos

the church is well ordered with the authority of Christ

the true church has always believed and taught these doctrines to all men as Christ commanded Matt 28:19

The Catholic denomination is the definition of willful spiritual blindness, anarchy, and chaos.

The church is well ordered with the authority of Christ, but not the Catholic denomination.

The true church has always believed and taught true Christian doctrines to all men, as Christ commanded, but that is not what the Catholic denomination teaches.

 

[Jim B]

You violate the 2nd commandment every-time you pray to or depend on Mary.

Don't forget the idolatry: the statues of Mary and "the saints" to whom they pray, violating the third commandment. Worst of all, the Catholic denomination portrays Jesus as dead on the cross, even though He has been resurrected and is at the right hand of God!

 

[Taken]

fundamentalism is spiritual blindness anarchy and chaos

More made up lies.
Fundamentalism is the belief the Bible is the literal word of God.

You are obviously anti-fundamentalism and therefore a Modernist, the opposite of a Fundamentalist, and rejects the Bible is the literal word of God.

Modernists, also reject The Biblical account of Gods Creation.
Modernists, also reject Biblical Values.
Modernists, Accept the Theory of Evolution.
Modernists, Accept the societies promoted Values.

The Difference Between a Fundamentalist and a Modernest ...
A Fundamentalist is IN the world.
A Modernest is OF the world.

 

[Taken]

how do you know what the Bible says?

LOL

where does it say what is and what not scripture?

LOL

where does it say not to hear the church?

LOL

where does it say you have authority to interpret scripture?

LOL

Do Christians have spiritual fathers?

LOL

what is the second commandment from scripture alone please?

And IF anyone should answer you, What is your source to VERIFY what they say?

 

[theefaith]

And also as Catholics have not honestly admitted that the worship of Mary is an integral part of Roman Catholicism. Salve Regina should suffice to tell you that you are lying. And all the statues of Mary all over the world contradict your statement.

Salve, Regina
Salve, Regina, mater misericordiae;
Vita, dulcedo et spes nostra salve.
Ad te clamamus, exsules filii Hevae.
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia ergo, advocata nostra,
illos tuos misericordes oculos ad nos converte.
Et Jesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,
nobis post hoc exsilium ostende.
O clemens, o pia, o dulcis Virgo Maria.

Queen, mother of mercy:
our life, sweetness, and hope, hail.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.
To you we sigh, mourning and weeping
in this valley of tears.
Turn then, our advocate,
those merciful eyes
toward us.
And Jesus, the blessed fruit of thy womb,
after our exile, show us.
O clement, O loving, O sweet
Virgin Mary.

To designate Mary as Queen of Heaven is to elevate her to the status of God. The Bible says that there is only ONE Advocate and Mediator between God and men -- the Man Christ Jesus.

In praise of Mary!

More you praise the Mona Lisa the more you are praising Leonardo de Vinci!

Do you really think he would be upset to see you paying so much attention to his masterpiece?

Mary is God’s masterpiece!

All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, and Christ who endowed Her “full of grace” Lk 1:28

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the Glory of Who created them, Lk 1:49 to Christ who redeemed them, and to the Holy Spirit who sanctified them with graces obtained by the merits of Christ! Source of Grace is Christ! Jn 1:16-17

Mary is only queen cos Jesus is king!

mary can only be mother of God cos Jesus is God!

 

[theefaith]

Are you nuts?

Most people were not illiterate until the 20th century in the US and Europe.

Speaking of illiteracy, what is "Faith comets by hearing not reading" supposed to mean? It's terrible English!

Additionally, that is exactly what your propagandist priests want you to believe! Don't believe by reading God's word for yourself! Believe only what your priests tell you! Propaganda!!!

matt 28:19

and I use an iphony lol and it don’t like old English so it changes it and if I’m in a hurry (I do have a full time job) I may not catch every single one

 

[Jim B]

In praise of Mary!

More you praise the Mona Lisa the more you are praising Leonardo de Vinci!

Do you really think he would be upset to see you paying so much attention to his masterpiece?

Mary is God’s masterpiece!

All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, and Christ who endowed Her “full of grace” Lk 1:28

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the Glory of Who created them, Lk 1:49 to Christ who redeemed them, and to the Holy Spirit who sanctified them with graces obtained by the merits of Christ! Source of Grace is Christ! Jn 1:16-17

Mary is only queen cos Jesus is king!

mary can only be mother of God cos Jesus is God!

I have read a lot of your posts and they are, without fail, worthless, but this one is the epitome of nonsense!

The Mona Lisa is -- ready??? -- a painting! Really, I'm not fooling! It is a painting. One can appreciate a great work of art withotu worshiping its subject (or the painting itself or the artist).

Show me anywhere in Scripture whare it says that Mary is God’s masterpiece! She was a young woman chosen by God to give birth to Jesus and raise him for a while. Nothing more!

Here is a definition of blasphemy: All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her. That is an unScriptural lie, created by your Catholic denomination. It is disgusting!!!

Saying that praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the Glory of Who created them is nonsense! (BTW, the saints are all sanctified people, not your denomination's false classification). God created the world and all the plants and animals. Are you going to give all plants and animals praise and glory because God created them? Start with the serpent in Eden!

Show me anywhere in the Bible where it says that Mary is a queen. Since you can't, it is therefore a lie of your Catholic denomination.