OSAS Can Sin all you Want

[Robert Gwin]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

What is refreshing about this is the person's honesty. Delusional but honest.

It is of course the obvious conclusion of being unconditionally saved by grace alone, and it is far better to hear someone just say so, rather than all the silly gibberish about not having 'license' to sin.

And so, to fit both lies together, we can say OSAS teaches we can sin all we want and still go to heaven, but not with a license to do so.

Liberty, yes. License, no.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

It's refreshing to hear such swelling alluring words spoken so unashamedly and openly.

Reminds me of a Beach boys song Rob, wouldn't it be nice, but I personally wouldn't recommend it.
As you stated sir, it is a fallacy, not a Bible teaching.

 

[marks]

[Actually, it seems to me that the motivation for us wanting to go to heaven is tainted with sin because it is rooted in a selfish desire. That is not to say that it is entirely sinful, that it is just tainted with sin.

I think there is the fleshy desire for self-preservation. We keep our eyes on Jesus and off ourselves, which is to say, the real spiritual motive is to know God, to know Jesus as our daily Companion, and to continue to know Him so very much more in the ages to come. To learn the depth of God's love for us.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Actually, just one verse would suffice. But it would have no impact on anyone who is willfully blind.

There are many verses that settle matter on their own. And the many threads seem to prove your words. But maybe someone reconsiders, and discovers freedom.

Much love!

 

[Dropship]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

OSASers also think satan won't be able to have them for breakfast, so they drop their guard against him..:)

 

[ScottA]

By definition, saved is saved. Past tense.

Duh!​

Those who consider "saved" to mean "maybe saved" or "not yet saved", only show their lack of understanding the scriptures, and God and His ways--which are higher, leaving some to doubt. Jesus had a pet saying for such--God love ya... "Ye of little faith."

 

[robert derrick]

It's unfortunate.

I pray anyone who wishes to know the actual Gospel of Jesus Christ understand two things first, of the many other truths afforded it.

First , faith and salvation is a free irrevocable, meaning it can never be rescinded, taken away, by you, anyone,or God himself, gift of God.
That means it isn't something we earn of our own doing. Because Jesus did it all on the cross.

Secondly, the eternal truth of salvation is also reflected in this fact.
The saved person , Christian, who abides in Jesus does not keep on sinning.

Why? Because anyone who claims his name and his saving grace yet keeps on sinning has neither seen him or knows him. Meaning, they are not regenerated, reborn, from their spiritually dead in their sin and sinful ways.

You can read that in 1 John 3.

Never fear! Jesus is the Lord that brings peace. When he saves you, it is eternal.

You did nothing to earn that. You can do nothing to lose it. God did it. Ephesians 2.

You are blessed to live the rewards of that. And to serve the king of Heaven as his emissary, message,living message, of the truth of that.

Amen! And Hallelujah!

Of course that really upsets the devil and his emissaries. But they'll get over it, eventually.

What do you mean by 'keeps on sinning'?

Are you saying that if someone is sinning today against God, such as fornicating, or getting drunk, or lying and stealing, then at this time they have never been saved nor known the Lord?

 

[robert derrick]

@Enoch111 , @Taken , and @mailmandan

I don’t blame you for not rigorously defending Once Saved Always Saved; it requires too much writing than just quoting the Bible since no verses teach it without your “explanations” (leaven).

It's not surprising that sinners also lie about things, when they are being exposed for their hypocrisies.

They want to play-pretend that I make this stuff up. But frankly, I never could make this stuff up, since it is so plainly lunatic, I couldn't even think of it.

However, It is sincerely refreshing to see someone finally be so open about the obvious conclusion of the OSAS delusion.

The rest of the dissimulators aren't worth engaging anymore.

I prefer engaging someone who at least is honest with themselves. The rest are just children playing games with fire.

 

[robert derrick]

I will second that. Just more baloney from Robert Derrick.

"You know the true character of a person by the enemies they make."

Thank you one and all for the honor of being rejected by you.

What I once thought was only a childish nuisance, I now see as a compliment.

"If the devil hates you, you must be doing something good for God."

 

[robert derrick]

It’s not some big secret...NO ONE RECEIVES SALVATION UNTIL AFTER A BODILY DEATH...
What do you think CRUCIFIED with CHRIST is FOR?
It is Christ’s Church Being SAVED for Believing in the Messiah, when even the Jews abandoned Him. Saved from Tribulations Punishments and Wrath.

All the HeadCHOPPING, KILLING During the Tribulations, is FOR? It is God SAVING Israel, AFTER suffering Punishments and Wrath for Rejecting Christ Jesus.

AND REALLY....ya think AFTER A BODILY DEATH...and BEING SAVED, a man can like you know...bodily come back to life and say oops God...changed my hearts thoughts...fooled ya God...tee hee...fooled the all knowing God....?? And Silly God who knew not...takes back His gift of Salvation?

Utter nonsense!

Utter nonsense a man continues to sin AFTER receiving his Salvation.

Agreed, the salvation of the Lord is not recieved eternally, until after obeying Him unto the end of this life, when the the purified spirit and soul depart the mortal body.

Then they wait in the presence of the Lord for the resurrection of their mortal bodies, into immortal spiritual bodies.

 

[robert derrick]

OSAS Can Sin all you Want
OP ^

Sin is against God.
Only God forgives Sin.

No one is Saved without having Received PERMANENT Forgiveness from God.

No one Receives PERMANENT Forgiveness from God, WITHOUT FIRST willingly laying down their OWN LIFE unto DEATH.

WHO can answer that their DEAD BODY continues to SIN after they Lay down their body unto DEATH?

~
silly words and silly claims are but the folly of silly men.

It's not possible for any mortal body in the grave to rise up again to sin again.

And I agree that it is not possible for someone sinning with the devil to also be a born son of God.

And so, I agree with you that eternal forgiveness and salvation is only obtained by the soul obeying Jesus unto the end of this life, when the mortal body goes to the grave, or is alive and remaining on earth at His return.

 

[marks]

What do you mean by 'keeps on sinning'?

Are you saying that if someone is sinning today against God, such as fornicating, or getting drunk, or lying and stealing, then at this time they have never been saved nor known the Lord?

What about those sins of pride and worry and impatience? Sins of failing to love God as you should? Failing to love others as you should? What about those?

If you know what is good and you don't do it, that's sin. If it's not of faith - That is sin. What about all of that?

Loving God, loving others, will all your heart, all you are, at all times. Who will stand up to THAT scrutiny?

What about the hubris of thinking you are a fit judge of yourself? To declare yourself "without sin"?

Much love!

 

[mailmandan]

What about those sins of pride and worry and impatience? Sins of failing to love God as you should? Failing to love others as you should? What about those?

If you know what is good and you don't do it, that's sin. If it's not of faith - That is sin. What about all of that?

Loving God, loving others, will all your heart, all you are, at all times. Who will stand up to THAT scrutiny?

What about the hubris of thinking you are a fit judge of yourself? To declare yourself "without sin"?

Much love!

Amen and well said brother! :)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

Chuckle!!! That's a true statement. of course the "control" on that is if you're Born Again, then you won't WANT to sin, so even though you won't be perfect, when you DO sin, we have an advocate when we confess our sin.

A Baptist pastor once said that you can get saved and live however you want. but what you WANT as a Christian is likely to be different than it was before.

 

[Taken]

What do you mean by 'keeps on sinning'?

That is a good question.

And appears many believe Sin is a mans behavior against man.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

What do you mean by 'keeps on sinning'?

Are you saying that if someone is sinning today against God, such as fornicating, or getting drunk, or lying and stealing, then at this time they have never been saved nor known the Lord?

Your post is directed at
1 John 3.

 

[Taken]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

What is refreshing about this is the person's honesty. Delusional but honest.

It is of course the obvious conclusion of being unconditionally saved by grace alone, and it is far better to hear someone just say so, rather than all the silly gibberish about not having 'license' to sin.


Liberty, yes. License, no.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

It's refreshing to hear such swelling alluring words spoken so unashamedly and openly.

“License to sin” was not coined by a believer of salvation.
Nor is a Believer of salvation required to defend himself against an others claims and accusations.

One person “supposedly” claiming he is saved AND can sin all he wants,
Is obviously toying with men who do not know what sin means.

And making a big stink about one “unknown” person “supposed” claim, AS IF anyone appointed that person to “SPEAK” for thousands of others, is disingenuous.

And so, to fit both lies together, we can say OSAS teaches we can sin all we want and still go to heaven, but not with a license to do so.

Utter nonsense.

 

[robert derrick]

By definition, saved is saved. Past tense.

Duh!​

Those who consider "saved" to mean "maybe saved" or "not yet saved", only show their lack of understanding the scriptures, and God and His ways--which are higher, leaving some to doubt. Jesus had a pet saying for such--God love ya... "Ye of little faith."

This is a yes in the sin all you want column.

Being saved is when the soul is not being dead and lost by sinning against God.

 

[robert derrick]

What about those sins of pride and worry and impatience? Sins of failing to love God as you should? Failing to love others as you should? What about those?

If you know what is good and you don't do it, that's sin. If it's not of faith - That is sin. What about all of that?

At least you're not preaching against imperfections of mortal flesh, but are preaching the law of Christ.

Good job.

Loving God, loving others, will all your heart, all you are, at all times. Who will stand up to THAT scrutiny?

Jesus and His body on earth, of His flesh and bones, walking in the true Light, where there is no darkness at all.

You are declaring the first great commandment to be impossible to keep at any time, because if we can do so now today, then why not tomorrow which may never come?

The snare of the devil you are in, is to take thought for tomorrow, rather than only right now today, and so in doing so, you justify not obeying today, because you say it cannot be done tomorrow also.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

You are teaching the commandments of the Lord only as high ideals to faultingly emulate, not as commandments to be obeyed as written.

When you do seek the Spirit and power of Christ to purify your heart and mind of lust for sin and unrighteous thoughts, then you will know the blessedness and peace of having a mind stayed on Jesus, walking hand in hand with Him on earth.

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

Until then, you are seeking to obey the Lord with a carnal mind and corrupted heart, which is indeed impossible for any man on earth to do.

Loving God, loving others, will all your heart, all you are, at all times. Who will stand up to THAT scrutiny?

What about the hubris of thinking you are a fit judge of yourself? To declare yourself "without sin"?

Much love!

Now you've departed from the law of Christ to your own notions of what sinning against God is:

Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

You see how once you begin to view the commandment of the Lord as high ideal only, that can't be kept as written, you then begin to preach your own unwritten high ideals for law of Christ, which ought not be kept?

I know I love Him with all my heart and soul and mind now, today, because I have purified myself of all unrighteous thoughts for sinning, and keep myself free from taking thought for them.

The commandment is neither hard nor impossible, but only requiring the faith to obey it as written, and so then trusting and relying entirely upon Jesus' power, friendship, and grace for help to do so.

This is the difference between dead faith alone, and believing God unto righteousness: To do the word, and not just think about it and try to emulate it hopelessly by our own will and high ideals about it.

Trusting and relying on grace to be sinning and born of God is absolute folly, which has no faith nor trust in Him nor His power not to be sinning against Him.

 

[marks]

You are declaring the first great commandment to be impossible to keep at any time, because if we can do so now today, then why not tomorrow which may never come?

This is NOT what I said. Perhaps rereading what I wrote?

Much love!

 

[marks]

The snare of the devil you are in, is to take thought for tomorrow, rather than only right now today, and so in doing so, you justify not obeying today, because you say it cannot be done tomorrow also.

You must have me confused with two other marks.

This is not me.

Much love!