Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Taken]

Hebrews 2:17 go away an learn what "every respect means!" & "in all things!"

How did God condemn sin in the body of the Lord Jesus Christ?

God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit.
God “prepared” a pure perfect body for His Word, (in the Likeness as a Humbled Jewish Servant.)

That pure perfect body and blood was the Pure Perfect Sacrifice For SIN of ALL mankind.
Jesus took upon His BODY the SINS of the World, then gave it over to Death.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Romans 7:25 speaks of something called the "law of sin" which is contrasted
with the "law of God".

For example: the law of God prohibits dishonesty (Lev 19:11) whereas the
law of sin compels folks to lie, dissemble, suppress information, and spin
half-truths.

The law of God requires civility (Lev 19:18) whereas the law of sin compels
folk to be rude, thoughtless, spiteful, argumentative, intolerant, impatient,
and defensive.

The law of God favors harmony (Ps 133:1) whereas the law of sin favors
assertiveness, quarreling, silent treatments, recriminations, toxic rejoinders,
grudging, revenge, vendettas, and shouting and spraying spittle.

The law of God requires charity and generosity (Deut 15:7-8) whereas the
law of sin compels folks to be miserly and hard-hearted.

Etc.

A major difference between the law of God and the law of sin is that the law
of God is merely a code to live by, whereas the law of sin is a force of
nature. That situation needs to be reversed; and the new covenant
described by Jer 31:31-34 and Ezek 36:26-27 is the magic wand able to do
it.
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[Blue Dragonfly's]

Both there present for all to see...you're not alone - millions of you.

No, it is only you who insists something is there when it is not.
When you go so far as to tell me I am wrong and that I wrote what you insist is there, when I know I never wrote what you claim, I pray there is only one of you here.

You are not discussing my actual post. You're arguing with your imagination. Making your pseudonym prophetic by example.

We see that, I see that, because I am not the only one you've chosen to address using that tactic.

My deepest sympathy to your plight.
May God's mercy find you. Amen.

 

[Grailhunter]

People and unfortunately a lot of Christians like to place blame and condemn others. It is one of the reasons that there are so many false man-made sins, that have been MANufactured.

People that do not know God are going to do things that from the Christian perspective are considered sins. This is one of the lessons you learn from studying the Greek language in the New Testament. The Apostles were tasked with explaining Christian perspectives from a language that was Pagan…and the things they were writing about were not considered wrong or sins in that Pagan language, mythology, or society. And there are lessons to be learnt from understanding the difficulties they had with this.

The phrase “sin nature” is not in the scriptures, and there is a reason for that. Although the phrase sin nature is not in the scriptures, the phrase “natural man” is in the scriptures, and there is a reason for that. The phrase natural man is more correct and more descriptive.

A person that does not know God is going to understand what is natural based on his own experiences and needs and desires and live accordingly. The natural man is not disciplined and is self centered…..self survival….The part that most Christians do not consider is that the natural man is what God made. His desire to survive…survival instincts….sex…the desire to copulate and reproduce and in the case of women to mother…mothering instincts. The desire to have shiny things as possessions. God did not design things to be sinful. As far as sex…Christianity has pretty demonized what God designed, but that is another topic.

The natural man does what is natural….It was up to God to provide The Way….to teach discipline and morals….and in fact it took a God to teach us that, even the very aspects and meaning of love and faith. Ergo…the New Testament.

So the natural man receives the Word of God….and he may choose to do what is not natural….but spiritual. Morals are not the instincts that God placed in Man. But again God did not make Man evil, so the natural man is not evil, he is uninformed. There are a lot of good and loving people that are atheists and Buddhists and Jews….they are not going to hell because they are bad, they are going to hell because The Way is the only belief that can save them from hell…that is actually what the term, saved means….and there is only one name that can be called upon for that salvation….and that is Yeshua.

Is there a sin nature? No. Is there such a thing as Original Sin? No. If you do not know God, you do not know The Way to live….what is right and what is wrong. What is a sin and what is not. They do not know why they should go to church and stand with others to worship God. They do not know why they should love God.

The natural man exists as an intelligent animal. It is God’s Grace that raises us above that and makes us the sons and daughters of God in the family of God.

 

[face2face]

No, it is only you who insists something is there when it is not.
When you go so far as to tell me I am wrong and that I wrote what you insist is there, when I know I never wrote what you claim, I pray there is only one of you here.

You are not discussing my actual post. You're arguing with your imagination. Making your pseudonym prophetic by example.

We see that, I see that, because I am not the only one you've chosen to address using that tactic.

My deepest sympathy to your plight.
May God's mercy find you. Amen.

No plight
You said Jesus is God = Trinity
You said Satan tempted Jesus to imply a fallen angel
Accept and move on...

 

[face2face]

God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit.
God “prepared” a pure perfect body for His Word, (in the Likeness as a Humbled Jewish Servant.)

That pure perfect body and blood was the Pure Perfect Sacrifice For SIN of ALL mankind.
Jesus took upon His BODY the SINS of the World, then gave it over to Death.

You didn't answer the question.
How did God condemn sin in the body of the Lord?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit.
God “prepared” a pure perfect body for His Word, (in the Likeness as a Humbled Jewish Servant.)

That pure perfect body and blood was the Pure Perfect Sacrifice For SIN of ALL mankind.
Jesus took upon His BODY the SINS of the World, then gave it over to Death.

''The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!'' John 1:29

1 Peter 1:18-19Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

No plight
You said Jesus is God = Trinity
You said Satan tempted Jesus to imply a fallen angel
Accept and move on...

I never açcept lies as truth. Accept and move on.
Please stop trolling me.

 

[farouk]

Great post. Romans 8.
Romans 8.

@Blue Dragonfly's A tremendous chapter indeed......

 

[face2face]

I never açcept lies as truth.Atruth.Accept and move on.
Please stop trolling me.

Hey I'm not trolling you - I called you out on false teaching and you have taken offense, easily might I add. You denied your own beliefs and claimed I was responding to the wrong post and now you accuse me of trolling. Best you take a hard long look in the mirror Blue!
F2F

 

[farouk]

''The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!'' John 1:29

1 Peter 1:18-19Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

@Blue Dragonfly's Another wonderful verse these attesting to the Lord Jesus' complete sinlessness.

 

[face2face]

The natural man exists as an intelligent animal. It is God’s Grace that raises us above that and makes us the sons and daughters of God in the family of God.

The natural man is condemned to die - he has a nature which has death working in its members.
How did God remove that condemnation in His Son?

 

[face2face]

That pure perfect body and blood was the Pure Perfect Sacrifice For SIN of ALL mankind.
Jesus took upon His BODY the SINS of the World, then gave it over to Death.

Jesus was being made perfect through suffering. Hebrews 5:9
He was morally perfected through obedience, however his condemned body could not be fixed!!! Only changed - hence the teaching of Paul Galatians 5:24

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

@Blue Dragonfly's Another wonderful verse these attesting to the Lord Jesus' complete sinlessness.

And it would seem obvious wouldn't it? It's right there in God's own message to his people.

 

[Grailhunter]

The natural man is condemned to die - he has a nature which has death working in its members.
How did God remove that condemnation in His Son?

Most of you will remember that after God created / made Adam and Eve, they were naked and He did not want them to know the knowledge of Good and Evil….Now that is a full topic….Why do you think that Adam and Eve formed a marriage and God told them….Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it;…… FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH?

God kicks them out of paradise with no real instructions on morality….and the Bible does not tell us what Adam and Eve learned from the “fruit.” So exactly what did Adam and Eve and their descendants know about morality? ….for where there is no law there is no transgression…Roman 4:15

So these people were more or less living the life of the natural man and not all of them were bad, but still we can see how that turned out. Then in Exodus God goes on to give them the Law….ultimately God gives them the 613 Mosaic Laws that no one could keep and if you break one….you break them all and it was impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 Preverbal catch 22.

As it is we can see in the Old Testament that a lot of them lived the life of a natural man. And from the perspective of modern Christianity, people can judge them pretty harshly. But God loved some of those natural men, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, King David and Solomon and mostly they lived as they wished and took what they wanted. And there were men and women in the Old Testament that God did not like.

So then….For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life….well Yeshua came to teach us The Way and provide salvation….but the Bible does not say that the twelve He choose were saints. Fishermen and a tax collector by trade, usually a rowdy bunch. How many would be considered natural men? But they chose to listen to the Word from a God and they were changed.

We don’t hear Christ saying to His Apostles; I know that you have this sin nature that you have to over come to follow me! NO! The Word of God took men that lived by natural desires and taught them The Way and they believed. They were Jews and not necessarily full of sin before they heard the Word, just men without the Word.

A lot of men in the Bible lived the natural life….is it their nature or the norm? The one thing that those that believe in the sin nature have right….it is how God made us, that is if you call what is natural….a sin.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Most of you will remember that after God created / made Adam and Eve, they were naked and He did not want them to know the knowledge of Good and Evil….Now that is a full topic….Why do you think that Adam and Eve formed a marriage and God told them….Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it;…… FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH?

God kicks them out of paradise with no real instructions on morality….and the Bible does not tell us what Adam and Eve learned from the “fruit.” So exactly what did Adam and Eve and their descendants know about morality? ….for where there is no law there is no transgression…Roman 4:15

So these people were more or less living the life of the natural man and not all of them were bad, but still we can see how that turned out. Then in Exodus God goes on to give them the Law….ultimately God gives them the 613 Mosaic Laws that no one could keep and if you break one….you break them all and it was impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 Preverbal catch 22.

As it is we can see in the Old Testament that a lot of them lived the life of a natural man. And from the perspective of modern Christianity, people can judge them pretty harshly. But God loved some of those natural men, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, King David and Solomon and mostly they lived as they wished and took what they wanted. And there were men and women in the Old Testament that God did not like.

So then….For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life….well Yeshua came to teach us The Way and provide salvation….but the Bible does not say that the twelve He choose were saints. Fishermen and a tax collector by trade, usually a rowdy bunch. How many would be considered natural men? But they chose to listen to the Word from a God and they were changed.

We don’t hear Christ saying to His Apostles; I know that you have this sin nature that you have to over come to follow me! NO! The Word of God took men that lived by natural desires and taught them The Way and they believed. They were Jews and not necessarily full of sin before they heard the Word, just men without the Word.

A lot of men in the Bible lived the natural life….is it their nature or the norm? The one thing that those that believe in the sin nature have right….it is how God made us, that is if you call what is natural….a sin.

Why don't we ask, when God is Omniscient and predestined all for his glory, why would he plant a forbidden tree in the middle of his creation that he judged good after creating it?
Knowing,Omniscience, Adam and Eve would eat because that tree was there to be eaten of.

 

[Taken]

Jesus was being made perfect through suffering. Hebrews 5:9
He was morally perfected through obedience, however his condemned body could not be fixed!!! Only changed - hence the teaching of Paul Galatians 5:24

Sacrificed his body.

condemned body could not be fixed!!! Only changed -

“Not fixed” - “only changed” ? Oxymoron

 

[face2face]

Sacrificed his body.



“Not fixed” - “only changed” ? Oxymoron

The flesh in its current form cannot be saved...yes Taken it must be changed...otherwise God would not have condemned sin in the flesh of His Son.

 

[face2face]

@Taken you are still yet to articulate how God condemned sin in Christ's body.

Go on dare to have a go!

I've provided so many relevent Scriptures for you to ponder. Be careful to leave the Trinity at the door.

 

[BeyondET]

Why don't we ask, when God is Omniscient and predestined all for his glory, why would he plant a forbidden tree in the middle of his creation that he judged good after creating it?
Knowing,Omniscience, Adam and Eve would eat because that tree was there to be eaten of.

What verse is that, the Bible doesn't mention the garden during creation week, that is where God states it is good.

Why would knowing of good and evil not be good. Certainly God knows of good and evil but He is all good, how can God possibly know evil?