Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Taken]

Well,so much for ignoring them huh?

I'd think their sarcasm and personal attacks would disqualify them from being taken as anything but a troll.

How many Christians do you know that discuss the gospel like this?

Troll, pest, personal attacker...laughable for awhile, then yawn, boring...
My bug hunter gun is of no use in this circumstance..put him on ignore.

 

[Taken]

Isn't it the Jehovah Witness sect that teach Jesus was just a man?

Just a man...wasn’t that the rock opera Jesus Christ SuperStar?

 

[farouk]

Just a man...wasn’t that the rock opera Jesus Christ SuperStar?

@Taken

'God of God,
Light of Light,
Lo, He abhors not the virgin's womb...'

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

IDK. All the “this group” and “that group”, is sort of like Drugs...Really don’t much care about all the particulars.

I am content with Jesus’ Church, Anywhere, Anytime, Preacher available 24-7, no locked doors, particular clothing not required...
Being on a forum such as this, is an eye-opener to some crazy stuff!

After my post I looked it up. It is JW's that teach Jesus was just a man.

For me groups teachings do influence people in the group. And the group populates and are many. And they spread their teachings.

I agree, there is some crazy stuff here.
What surprises me is how many there are that defend an anti-gospel.

And that group is growing to the point it gets author's attention. And they write books about this movement.

I think they're a symptom of the world that's growing wackier daily.
And I think the anti-gospel movement is what leads to apostasy in denominational churches.

News reports about this church or that one whose board decided to allow gays to serve in church offices. Or have welcomed a tranny pastor. Or, have voted to agree to perform marriage ceremonies for unrepentant sexually active gays.

Fifty years ago my parents church would have called someone a liar if they'd have told them that was going to happen 50 years hence.

Now, traditional gospel honoring churches seem to be disappearing. And as a result of the apostate churches are seemingly multiplying.

As a result people from those apostate churches carry the anti-gospel outside the church and into online communities.

Jesus was just a man. Salvation is conditional and can be lost or taken back if God is disappointed in us.

And if that last part were true you'd think those church boards that vote to condone unrepentant abominable sinners would be worried.

Yep, it's weird out here.

 

[Taken]

@Blue Dragonfly's @farouk

Been up about 20 hrs, going to catch a few hours sleep.
God Bless,
Taken

 

[farouk]

@Taken I do love that carol, with its triumphant assertion of the Incarnation........

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Just a man...wasn’t that the rock opera Jesus Christ SuperStar?

That too.

I saw that production when Ted Neeley starred as Jesus. What a voice.

 

[farouk]

@Blue Dragonfly's @farouk

Been up about 20 hrs, going to catch a few hours sleep.
God Bless,
Taken

Have nice night.........

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

@Blue Dragonfly's @farouk

Been up about 20 hrs, going to catch a few hours sleep.
God Bless,
Taken

God Bless. Sleep well.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Have nice night.........

You too.

 

[face2face]

Already addressed you.
Not afraid of you, not running from you. Not interested in what you say.
Go hang with your human Jesus, I have better things to do then play in your mud pit.

We established a long time ago Taken about your contribution to these threads. These above comments are about as good as it gets!
A tip for young upstarts....learn who the Son of Man is before you boast in the your God the Son opps sorry The Son of God!

 

[face2face]

Jesus was without sin.

True!

"Condemned" is the same as "crucified," and Romans 6:6-7 shows that it is the sin in our flesh that was condemned and taken away, and we were crucified with Christ and we are reborn of the Spirit by His resurrection so that we can walk in the Spirit. We don't need the written law of sin and death; we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit.

True however I wouldn't use sin the the flesh as to mean our nature has sin dwelling literally in the flesh but rather the flesh is where sin takes place. It has the propensity to sin.

If God condemned sin in the nature of Jesus Christ, it must of course mean that sin is represented in him. It's the repudiation of the flesh which Christ revealed both in his life and in his death. He crucified the flesh every day in his mind and ultimately he literally crucified the flesh at Calvary.

Therefore we can conclude that God condemned sin in Christ by putting the source of sin i.e flesh to death by obedience to the Spirit Word.

However, it means the Christ had our nature; corrupt and dying. It also means he cannot be God or can he have dual natures otherwise he did not represent mankind perfectly. In other words we wouldn't have a High Priest who is tempted in all points like we are, yet without sin.

God destroyed the power of sin in Christ through his obedience.

F2F

 

[PinSeeker]

LOL....It is not what you say....it is how you say it!

Well, certainly it's what you say, but how you say it is quite important. Do you not think so?

Getting ridiculous...

Dude. No kidding.

Grace and peace to you.[/QUOTE]

 

[PinSeeker]

Scripture already proves redemption

That it does, throughout. If I had to describe what Scripture is about in one word, that would be an excellent word for it ~ redemption.

Are you your own authority?

I'm... really not sure why you would ask such a question. I'm just going to let that one go.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well, certainly it's what you say, but how you say it is quite important. Do you not think so?


Dude. No kidding.

Grace and peace to you.

[/QUOTE]

Exactly, that is why I when I explain things it is neutral.....It is not stern or nicey nice. Just matter of fact.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

True however I wouldn't use sin the the flesh as to mean our nature has sin dwelling literally in the flesh but rather the flesh is where sin takes place. It has the propensity to sin.

I use "flesh" as Paul and Peter uses it - our nature. Sin is not in our body. Our body is just a puppet controlled by our nature - our mind and emotions: our spirit and soul. Those have been made immortal. Our body must still die and also be resurrected to be immortal. Romans 8:10. But we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God indwells us. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:9

When we are born again and Jesus has taken away our sin, He takes it from our nature, the old man. That is why we then partake of the divine nature of God. Romans 6:6-7; 2 Peter 1:2-4

If God condemned sin in the nature of Jesus Christ, it must of course mean that sin is represented in him. It's the repudiation of the flesh which Christ revealed both in his life and in his death. He crucified the flesh every day in his mind and ultimately he literally crucified the flesh at Calvary.

You seem to believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature, even though He was conceived with the seed of the Father, and that seed remained in Him. The key is the seed. Why is the seed so important to us? 1 John 3:9. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. Jesus never sinned. He was tested in all things, but never sinned. Was it a struggle to not sin as you seem to think? No, and neither is it for the born again. He is our example. He is why it is important for us to be born again to be freed from sin. 1 John 3:5. Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY our sin, and in Him there is no sin. Where did Jesus take away our sin from? Our body? No! Our nature. It is all about our nature. I repeat - 2 Peter 1:2-4. Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Therefore we can conclude that God condemned sin in Christ by putting the source of sin i.e flesh to death by obedience to the Spirit Word.

Sin was not IN Christ. He was sinless. God placed the sin of the world on Him so that when He died, the sin of the world would die also. You somehow believe it was His own sin. That is silly. And Romans 8:1-9 does not teach that. It is OUR sin that Jesus condemned in OUR flesh. That is why we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit when we have His sinless Spirit inside of us.

Those who have not received God's Spirit and are still struggling with sin, even though they believe everything written about Christ, need to be born again of HIS SPIRIT. It is all about motive. Those who just see Jesus as a ticket to heaven and just don't want to go to hell are NOT born again. They don't believe IN Jesus, and believe as much as any demon does. But those who love God and want to be scrubbed clean from sin to be like Jesus are the ones whom He fills with His Spirit.

 

[PinSeeker]

....when I explain things it is neutral...

No, it's not neutral at all, Grailhunter. It's almost totally arrogant, and condescending, and thus self-indulgent. I'm glad that you agree that how you say things is very important.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

When we are born again and Jesus has taken away our sin, He takes it from our nature, the old man. That is why we then partake of the divine nature of God. Romans 6:6-7; 2 Peter 1:2-4

If, 1stCenturyLady, when we are born again our sin is "taken away from our nature," as in totally removed (if I'm understanding you correctly), then why do we still sin? This is really a rhetorical question. I'm with you about the "old man," but Paul exhorts us to put off the old man and put on the new. So the old is still with us, but we are being made new. This is what we call the process of sanctification. We have been justified, and are being sanctified, and most assuredly will be glorified. God will bring His good work that He began in us to completion at the Day of Christ.

You seem to believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature...

Well, He was. He was born of a woman, just as we were. He was 100% man, even the Son of Man, as He said. But He was also 100% of God, the Son of God. This is how He is our Mediator. If He were less than 100% man and/or less than 100% God, He would not be qualified to be our Mediator, and therefore none of us would have any hope of being reconciled to God or of salvation itself.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, it's not neutral at all, Grailhunter. It's almost totally arrogant, and condescending, and thus self-indulgent. I'm glad that you agree that how you say things is very important.

Grace and peace to you.

Telling the truth is arrogant.....? LOL You just do not like the truth. Now...has anybody told you that you are like a nagging wife?
Get back to the topic.

 

[PinSeeker]

Telling the truth is arrogant.....? LOL

Telling the truth is totally beside the point, as I've said several times now. Your general manner of "conversation" literally drips with arrogance. I've been quite clear about that. You're just avoiding it. I get it, but it is what it is.

You just do not like the truth.

Quite ridiculous, and non sequitur on top of that.

Now...has anybody told you that you are like a nagging wife?

Nope. And if you think so, you have no idea how much I don't care.

Get back to the topic.

I will when you repent. Anyway, for the past few posts, you have been the topic. That would be in keeping with the narcissist that you seem to be.

Go consult with your Bible and see what it says about haughtiness and arrogance (i.e., Psalm 94:4, Proverbs 16:5, Proverbs 21:24, 1 Corinthians 13:4, James 4:16), Grailhunter.

Grace and peace to you.