The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Timtofly]

Zechariah 14:8 & Revelation 22:1 represents a literal river of life in water flowing, they are parallel teachings of the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth

Revelation 21:1 "There Was No More Sea" represents there was no more multitudes of people as you have been shown several times, it speaks not one word about waters flowing as you move to distract from the clear teaching

Ezekiel 47:1-12 explains the river of life flowing from New Jerusalem in great detail, it will have fish, fishermen, and fishing nets, as the tree of life is on its bank seen in verse 12 below

Ezekiel 47:1-12, Zechariah 14:8, Revelation 22:1 are parallel teachings of the river of life flowing from New Jerusalem, it's that simple

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 22:1KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Ezekiel 47:1-12KJV
1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

And you just cherry pick your interpretation to fit your Amil bias.

Two rivers and two seas in the Millennium.

One River and no seas in the New Jerusalem.

That simple, nothing complicated nor biased.

Jerusalem is a relatively small city between two seas.

The New Jerusalem is a 1200 square mile cube, with one river and no sea in it, nor near it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I accept the Holy Spirit as being both God the Father and God the Son, together, being God is One.
However I suppose that you do expect that all professing Christians should conform to the Catholic religious view of the orthodox concept of a Trinity, whereby between God the Father and the Son, They Created another, additional form of God.
Okay, if you say so, but Jesus Himself explained it plainly and simply, that both He and His Father would come to make Their abode within us.
To believe in "the trinity" doesn't discern if one is a Christian or not.

1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[Timtofly]

I accept the Holy Spirit as being both God the Father and God the Son, together, being God is One.
However I suppose that you do expect that all professing Christians should conform to the Catholic religious view of the orthodox concept of a Trinity, whereby between God the Father and the Son, They Created another, additional form of God.
Okay, if you say so, but Jesus Himself explained it plainly and simply, that both He and His Father would come to make Their abode within us.
To believe in "the trinity" doesn't discern if one is a Christian or not.

The Trinity has nothing to do with Catholic creeds nor orthodoxy. It was established in Genesis 1. It was given to Moses directly by God. Yet it was always part of creation since the first second of creation.

Surely that cannot be difficult to understand, as you claim Jesus is the spirit that moved on the waters and there are only 2 persons of the Lord, found in Genesis 1? Some see the Holy Spirit as moving on the waters, and Jesus was the Word.

 

[Truth7t7]

And you HAVE BEEN SHOWN SEVERAL TIMES that when Jesus comes, God's consuming fire will burn the works of this world off the SURFACE OF THIS EARTH, and NOT totally destroy the earth. This is FACT because Jesus is COMING BACK TO THIS EARTH TO REIGN, with His elect, AS WRITTEN.

Stick to Bible Scripture as written, and quit playing men's silly games with His Word.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

In prophetic time, this world is incrementally approaching the Day, of when Jesus appears the third and final time from Heaven, in all His fiery and Immortal Glory. Spiritually, by the authority of God, and not the wisdom of men, we can historically account for those prophetic events that are indicated to us, that shall build upto those "things which must shortly come to pass".
Rev.1[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass [G5034-guickly in haste]; and he sent and signified [G4951-indicated] it by his angel unto his servant John.
> Iows, when the Lord returns in all His Glory from Heaven, He will make a short work on the earth.
Romans 9:23-28
[28] For he will finish the work, [of God's Age of Grace] and cut it short in [His] righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth [upon His final return in Glory].

Prior to that Day, we have been experiencing the time of "sorrows", which are heralding the FINAL Day of Christ's Glorious return:
Matthew 24[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.

> For that which is to shortly come to pass, that begins here:
[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Your claim of the day of Pentecost being a second coming of Jesus Christ is a big smile!

 

[Truth7t7]

1. The Tree of Life is shown existing still when the wicked are outside the gates of the holy city, per Revelation 22:14-15. The Tree of Life exists WITH God's River of the waters of life. Ezekiel 47 shows those waters emitting out from the MILLENNIAL SANCTUARY with the many trees bearing their fruits on either side of that River.

2. Those waters of Zechariah 14 is the SAME TIMING as those Revelation 22:14-15 verses about the wicked STILL existing AFTER Christ's future return.

3. If Zechariah 14 with the day of Christ's future return is about the future new heavens and a new earth timing, then the wicked leftovers that came against Jerusalem per Zechariah 14:16 SHOULD NOT EXIST. Yet, there they are, being made to come up to Jerusalem and worship The KING, The LORD of hosts, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

4. Jesus also showed in Revelation 3:9 to the Church of Philadelphia, that He will made those of His enemies, the "synagogue of Satan", to come worship Him at their feet, which will ONLY happen in Christ's future "thousand years" of Revelation 20.

All those future events reveal CHRIST'S FUTURE THOUSAND YEARS REIGN AS FACT.

Ezekiel 47:12 Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually not correct.

1. The Tree of Life is shown existing still when the wicked are outside the gates of the holy city, per Revelation 22:14-15. The Tree of Life exists WITH God's River of the waters of life. Ezekiel 47 shows those waters emitting out from the MILLENNIAL SANCTUARY with the many trees bearing their fruits on either side of that River.

2. Those waters of Zechariah 14 is the SAME TIMING as those Revelation 22:14-15 verses about the wicked STILL existing AFTER Christ's future return.

3. If Zechariah 14 with the day of Christ's future return is about the future new heavens and a new earth timing, then the wicked leftovers that came against Jerusalem per Zechariah 14:16 SHOULD NOT EXIST. Yet, there they are, being made to come up to Jerusalem and worship The KING, The LORD of hosts, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

4. Jesus also showed in Revelation 3:9 to the Church of Philadelphia, that He will made those of His enemies, the "synagogue of Satan", to come worship Him at their feet, which will ONLY happen in Christ's future "thousand years" of Revelation 20.

All those future events reveal CHRIST'S FUTURE THOUSAND YEARS REIGN AS FACT.

"The Lake Of Fire In The Eternal Kingdom, After The Final Judgement"

Revelation 14:10-11KJV
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

"The Lake Of Fire In The Eternal Kingdom, After The Final Judgement"

Isaiah 66:24KJV
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

"The Lake Of Fire In The Eternal Kingdom, After The Final Judgement"

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[Truth7t7]

NO, that is NOT new heavens and a new earth timing. Not yet.

That River will exist DURING the time when the wicked are still existing...

Zech 14:16-18
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV


Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Your claim is false as post #267 above shows

 

[Truth7t7]

And you just cherry pick your interpretation to fit your Amil bias.

Two rivers and two seas in the Millennium.

One River and no seas in the New Jerusalem.

That simple, nothing complicated nor biased.

Jerusalem is a relatively small city between two seas.

The New Jerusalem is a 1200 square mile cube, with one river and no sea in it, nor near it.

Your claims have been answered

 

[Timtofly]

Your claims have been answered

You agree to the point you cherry pick your symbolic interpretations. In one instant a sea is literal, in another symbolic.

 

[Earburner]

I showed what Zechariah 14 says, and that Scripture is actually VERY SIMPLE to understand, as it happens AS WRITTEN. We don't need no SPECIAL INSTRUCTION from men's doctrines about it, especially when those doctrines from men go DIRECTLY AGAINST what is written there, and that is what you follow!

So then "the river of Life" is not "living waters", The Holy Spirit of both God the Father and God the Son, dwelling within the Saints??

What is it according to your interpretation?

 

[Truth7t7]

You agree to the point you cherry pick your symbolic interpretations. In one instant a sea is literal, in another symbolic.

Yes the "Sea" in Revelation 21:1 "There Was No More Sea" is symbolic of "Multitudes of People" as Revelation 7:15 clearly interprets "Waters"

Revelation 7:15KJV
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The Beast rising out of the "Sea" below, isn't literal oceans or water, he rises out of the multitudes of people

Revelation 13:1KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Ezekiel 47:9-10 below shows the river of life flowing into the sea "Literal Water" full of fish, with "Literal" fishermen and nets

Ezekiel 47:9-10KJV
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

 

[Earburner]

1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Where do I disagree?
1. The Spirit of God.
2. The Spirit of Christ.
3. Together THEY are Holy Spirit.
KJV John.10[30] I and my Father are one.
John 14:23

 

[Earburner]

We Disagree, there is a literal hell in conscious torment for the wicked upon death

Do you know of anybody who is in "conscious torment" in the grave (hell, aka the pit)?

Only sci-fy/fantasy movies talk about the "living dead",.... but then again, the Bible does reveal that all who are without Christ, they quite literally are the "walking dead" to God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where do I disagree?
1. The Spirit of God.
2. The Spirit of Christ.
3. Together THEY are Holy Spirit.
KJV John.10[30] I and my Father are one.
John 14:23

The Holy Spirit Is Separate From The Father And Son, And The "Three" Are "One"

1. God The Father
2. God The Son
3. God The Holy Spirit

Together They Are "One"

1 John 5:7KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 14:26KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[Earburner]

The Holy Spirit Is Separate From The Father And Son, And The "Three" Are "One"

1. God The Father
2. God The Son
3. God The Holy Spirit

Together They Are "One"

John 14:26KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[28] Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
[29] And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
> Jesus' coming the second time to each of us, in the form of His Spirit, is in conjunction with God the Father's Spirit, and together they are One.
John 14:23

 

[Truth7t7]

John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[28] Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
[29] And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
> Jesus' coming the second time to each of us, in the form of His Spirit, is in conjunction with God the Father's Spirit, and together they are One.
John 14:23

I Disagree, God The Holy Spirit Is Separate From The Father And Son, "HE" NOT "I"

John 14:26KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[Earburner]

I Disagree, God The Holy Spirit Is Separate From The Father And Son, "HE" NOT "I"

John 14:26KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I honestly believe that the Lord is guiding us to a greater truth, than what the Christian religion has established for doctrine, about who the Holy Spirit actually is, and for what reason.

I have always believed, accepted and trusted that concept, of the Holy Spirit as being another form of God the Father and God the Son, and therefore I am not doubting it now!

God the Holy Spirit is truly the extension of God the Father and God the Son themselves, especially for the reasons of communicating their thoughts and ways of their meanings of God's words, that are to be in us and for us. Isaiah 55:8-9, John 1:1.

Literally, for all who are "born again" of/by the Holy Spirit of God, we really do HAVE the mind of Christ within us. Unfortunately, not many are fully accessing His mind, that has been deposited within them, and often times continue living and walking after their own mind.

If you can hear this, then you will understand my scripture references to follow:
As with God the Son, The Holy Spirit of God was truly "brought forth" out of God Himself, purposely for His Saints, as well as the Godhead of all three, who are One, so that we can partake of the divine nature. 2 Peter 1:3-4 through the Gift of God's Holy Spirit.

By scripture and by His Holy Spirit, I will now say what I am meaning by several KJV scripture verses.
(Please read in the KJV only).
1. God the Son was brought forth, and is not a creation.
Proverbs 8:22-36, specifically 22-24.

2. Jesus is the exact image of the Father:
Hebrews 1:1-9, specifically 3-4.

3. Through the face of Jesus, God has shined His Light into our hearts:
2 Corinthians 4:3-7, specifically verse 6.

4. The Holy Spirit, who also was "brought forth", comes from out of God the Father and the Son, and is not a creation, but is the seal and promise of our redemption.
Ephesians 4:30
2 Corinthians 1:22
Ephesians 1:13

Edited item#3. Corrected verse 3, and was changed to verse 6.

 

[Davy]

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"Advent" is a Religious term, of which has isolated and caused the churches to over look and ignore the very real and truthful reality, that Jesus STILL IS COMING TO US EACH by His Spirit, to give us God's Gift of Eternal Life now. 1 John 5:12-13.

All we are waiting for, is for Him to come the third and final time, to "change" us into the likeness of His immortality.

Until He comes for all of us in the visible Glory of His Immortality, Paul on the road to Damascus is the living example. Jesus manifested Himself to him
John 14[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
See Revelation 3:20

You need to leave religious orthodoxy, and explicitly trust in the Lord Himself to "guide you" into ALL truth.

The word 'advent' simply means 'coming'. So it is not a word specific... to religion. You need to go back to school.

And no, Jesus is NOT... in the process of 'coming' today, as if His coming last over a long period of time. That is that GNOSTICISM THINKING AGAIN, which is against Christ.

 

[Davy]

So, you don't need the Gift of God's Eternal Life??
When did you think that you shall receive it? Upon His Glorious return in flaming fire?
If you read the parable of the Ten Virgins, you will find that you would be too LATE.
Edit: Romans 8:9

You'll have to try harder to think, using your brain, so you can come up with better questions than the above, which are silly. I am a CHRISTIAN. And since you have seen some examples of my Christian indignation for the devilish lies you have already told, you by now well know I am a CHRISTIAN.