"Endure to the END< ... #2

[amigo de christo]

I am not sure where this thinking comes from

I know some dispy's who teach jews return to law and must be saved by law as in the OT. But even then. No one was ever saved by the law. old or new

Now that is bad news too . Paul was a jew , so was peter , so was john , so was james , so was jude
I NEVER SEEN THEM SAY THAT LINE . Truth is i often seen where paul warns against GOING back UNDERthe law .
Exactly . it makes zero sense . Sounds like a whole nother go spell to me . WHY would anyone point the jews back to the old covenant
WHEN GOD and CHRIST has already established the NEW ONE which DOES SAVE them from the very things the law itself could not .
Folks will teach anything my dear friend . I say WE simply say what is in that bible that was written long ago .
What JESUS taught , what later the apostels taught . KEEP it simple i say .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen.

Just remember what jesus we follow is where we end up my friend .
Too many folks are omitting even his own warnings and the warnings and reminders of the apostels .
Just remember we need to LEARN the BIBLICAL CHRIST .
Cause i seen some teaching that even if one once believed was born again and then later fall back into UNBELIEF
they still saved . COURSE that AINT WHAT JOHN SAID . HE SAID if they COMe out from amongst us
THEY WERE NEVER OFUS , even calls them ANTI CHRISTS . SO ya better check ya man behold , Cause HE is the one
i seen teaching that lie . GIVING Folks FALSE HOPE . NO preach the truth . IF THEY COME OUT then they were NEVER truly OF US
they are anti christs . and that dont sound saved to me . The nerve of some folks to teach such a lie should be shocking .
BUT YOU WOULD BE SURPISED at just how far HYPER grace has taken things . My advice is LEARN THE GRACE OF GOD my friends .
Now correct that man behold . HE might actually listen to you . BUT DONT LET HIM THINK
if one was born again and later falls into unbelief that they are still saved . SAY , NOPE if they come out from amongst us
THEY WERE NEVER TRULY OF US . Dont let that man drown in that deceptoin and DONT LET HIM TEACH IT EITHER . its bad news
and offers only false hope .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen.

 

[Behold]

So you do not think Gentiles need the gospel in the tribulation period?

Ive not said that.
So, your question, is proof of comprehension difficultly regarding the last 6 posts ive written you, or you are just trying to imply something false, in a deceitful way.

Let me show you this..

Christ came down from Heaven to the House of Israel.....not to the Gentiles.......not to the gentiles.

After the CROSS was Raised, the "time of the Gentiles" started, and the "apostle to the gentiles" was called, who is Paul.

Now, WHEN Christ was here dealing with the "House of Israel", before He was Crucified, there were gentiles who believed on Him.... However, Jesus was not "SENT" to the gentiles.
It was PAUL, after Christ was ascended back to Heaven, who was SENT to the Gentiles.

So, its true that a gentile could believe on Jesus before Christ went to the CROSS, even tho Jesus was SENT to the House of Israel.

In the Great Trib, God is again dealing with the JEWS..(Hebrews)..... however, gentiles who are stuck in the Great Trib, can believe, and if they ""endure to the end"" of the Trib also, or if they are Martyr'd for Jesus, they will go to heaven.

So, what im showing you is.......When God came down as Christ to deal with the House Israel, ..... a gentile could believe.
And in the Great Trib, when God is again dealing with the JEWs, a gentile who is alive can believe, but that is not the same as what God is doing for the Gentiles, in "the time of the gentiles".

Right now, God is dealing with the Gentiles, but Jews can come to Christ, (Messianic JEWS)... However, Specifically its God dealing with the Gentiles during the "time of the GENTILES".

The "time of the Gentiles" is going to end soon, and then God is going to again deal with the JEWs (Hebrews), and during that TRIBULATION.....if a gentile believes and "endures to the end" of the Tribulation, or is martyr'd for Christ, refusing to take the "Mark".... then they are accepted by God.

 

[Taken]

Just remember what jesus we follow is where we end up my friend .
Too many folks are omitting even his own warnings and the warnings and reminders of the apostels .
Just remember we need to LEARN the BIBLICAL CHRIST .
Cause i seen some teaching that even if one once believed was born again and then later fall back into UNBELIEF
they still saved . COURSE that AINT WHAT JOHN SAID . HE SAID if they COMe out from amongst us
THEY WERE NEVER OFUS , even calls them ANTI CHRISTS . SO ya better check ya man behold , Cause HE is the one
i seen teaching that lie . GIVING Folks FALSE HOPE . NO preach the truth . IF THEY COME OUT then they were NEVER truly OF US
they are anti christs . and that dont sound saved to me . The nerve of some folks to teach such a lie should be shocking .
BUT YOU WOULD BE SURPISED at just how far HYPER grace has taken things . My advice is LEARN THE GRACE OF GOD my friends .
Now correct that man behold . HE might actually listen to you . BUT DONT LET HIM THINK
if one was born again and later falls into unbelief that they are still saved . SAY , NOPE if they come out from amongst us
THEY WERE NEVER TRULY OF US . Dont let that man drown in that deceptoin and DONT LET HIM TEACH IT EITHER . its bad news
and offers only false hope .

Yes, much wrong teaching.
Jesus came;
Jesus paid the price for Salvation;
Jesus offered Salvation as a Gift to all;

The Gift exists, is already All mens Gift expressly for All.

Nothing new...Remember God provided, Offered, Adam the Gift of the Tree of Life, set in the midst of the Garden, told to Freely Eat of that Tree?
It was a Gift, specifically identified to Adam...
AND....Did Adam reach out his Hand and Take the Gift and Eat? No.

Nothing new, men have to Reach out and Take Gods “Offered” Gift of Salvation.
Nothing new, If a man does not Reach out and Take Gods “Offered” Gift of Salvation, BEFORE they die, They have forfeited Receiving Gods “Offered” Gift...(Because a dead man knows nothing, and can not after his death, decide to take Gods Offering.)

It is FALSE teaching, that men RECEIVE Gods Gift of Salvation, and that that same man Can thereafter Reject Gods Gift.

A man LOSES his offered Gift of Salvation, BY his own fault, to not reach out and TAKE his Gift.

ReCeIVING Gods Gift of Salvation....IS GIVEN A MAN...AFTER
A Bodily DEATH of that “BELIEVING” man OCCURS...
* Body Crucified with Christ....IS Saved
* Physical death......................SHALL be Saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, much wrong teaching.
Jesus came;
Jesus paid the price for Salvation;
Jesus offered Salvation as a Gift to all;

The Gift exists, is already All mens Gift expressly for All.

Nothing new...Remember God provided, Offered, Adam the Gift of the Tree of Life, set in the midst of the Garden, told to Freely Eat of that Tree?
It was a Gift, specifically identified to Adam...
AND....Did Adam reach out his Hand and Take the Gift and Eat? No.

Nothing new, men have to Reach out and Take Gods “Offered” Gift of Salvation.
Nothing new, If a man does not Reach out and Take Gods “Offered” Gift of Salvation, BEFORE they die, They have forfeited Receiving Gods “Offered” Gift...(Because a dead man knows nothing, and can not after his death, decide to take Gods Offering.)

It is FALSE teaching, that men RECEIVE Gods Gift of Salvation, and that that same man Can thereafter Reject Gods Gift.

A man LOSES his offered Gift of Salvation, BY his own fault, to not reach out and TAKE his Gift.

ReCeIVING Gods Gift of Salvation....IS GIVEN A MAN...AFTER
A Bodily DEATH of that “BELIEVING” man OCCURS...
* Body Crucified with Christ....IS Saved
* Physical death......................SHALL be Saved.

The fault will always lie in man my friend . But if even JESUS and later paul and others would remind to continue to end
I just dont see why its a sin to same this . Truth is its dangerous to tell folks and to teach folks
that if even one stops believing IN JESUS they are still saved . Cause JESUS NEVER SAID THAT LINE
HE said IF one continues not in ME , HIMS CAST OUT . JESUS ALONE is the only reason and way one can be saved
but my advice agrees with HIS and the apostels , CONTINUE IN HIM , COTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS , otherwise you will be cast out .
Paul well writes about how the UNBELIEVING JEWS were cast out of the tree . HE well writes about if they continue not in unbelief
they can be grafted back in . THE KEY is no one wants to be out of that tree . SO let us also remember when paul was writing about
that same tree , HE said IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS , otherwise just like the unbelieving jews had been cast out , SO WILL YE be cast out . ITS real simple . HOLD THAT FAITH IN JESUS FIRM TO THE END . ALL reminders were HOLY SPIRIT inspired
and as such , IT DOES US REAL GOOD to heed them all .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ive not said that.
So, your question, is proof of comprehension difficultly regarding the last 6 posts ive written you, or you are just trying to imply something false, in a deceitful way.

Let me show you this..

Christ came down from Heaven to the House of Israel.....not to the Gentiles.......not to the gentiles.

After the CROSS was Raised, the "time of the Gentiles" started, and the "apostle to the gentiles" was called, who is Paul.

Now, WHEN Christ was here dealing with the "House of Israel", before He was Crucified, there were gentiles who believed on Him.... However, Jesus was not "SENT" to the gentiles.
It was PAUL, after Christ was ascended back to Heaven, who was SENT to the Gentiles.

So, its true that a gentile could believe on Jesus before Christ went to the CROSS, even tho Jesus was SENT to the House of Israel.

In the Great Trib, God is again dealing with the JEWS..(Hebrews)..... however, gentiles who are stuck in the Great Trib, can believe, and if they ""endure to the end"" of the Trib also, or if they are Martyr'd for Jesus, they will go to heaven.

So, what im showing you is.......When God came down as Christ to deal with the House Israel, ..... a gentile could believe.
And in the Great Trib, when God is again dealing with the JEWs, a gentile who is alive can believe, but that is not the same as what God is doing for the Gentiles, in "the time of the gentiles".

Right now, God is dealing with the Gentiles, but Jews can come to Christ, (Messianic JEWS)... However, Specifically its God dealing with the Gentiles during the "time of the GENTILES".

The "time of the Gentiles" is going to end soon, and then God is going to again deal with the JEWs (Hebrews), and during that TRIBULATION.....if a gentile believes and "endures to the end" of the Tribulation, or is martyr'd for Christ, refusing to take the "Mark".... then they are accepted by God.

The time of the gentiles ends WHEN CHRIST RETURNS. NOT AT THE RAPTURE.

There will NEVER be a time ANYONE can get saved by working for it, or tryign to earn it by being good. All have sinned and fall short. Being justified FREELY.

That happens in the previous age, in this age,. And the next age.

Stop telling me I am being deceitful and listen to what I am saying.. Your preaching a different gospel.. Paul warned against that. Not only to use. But to all people from that day foreward

 

[robert derrick]

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This is #2 : regarding my mini-teaching series that shows you how Heretics try to bend the bible to twist your faith in Christ into : NO faith in Christ.

Here is #1 in case you want to study it.

"Depart from me i never knew you". #1

This partial VERSE...("""endure to the end".. is easy to explain, as all you have to do is pick up a bible and read more then that one verse.
Heretics do not... Heretics use commentaries and websites, and usually one verse to try to build a false Theology that is always related to teaching the lie of "losing salvation" or related to the deception of trying to stay saved, having lost all faith in Christ.

So, .... the deceiver tells you..>"if you want to go to heaven, you have to (SELF EFFORT) (WORKS) "'endure to the end"".
Then this deceiver will try to convince you that the "END" is the end of your life.
So, isn't that just a cozy and completed pile of Cross rejecting Legalistic Nonsense.

Let me show you the verses now.

First, the Apostles are asking Jesus in Matthew 24:3 .. WHEN Is the "SIGN" of the coming of the "END OF THE AGE"... Or as the KJV teaches. "the END OF THE WORLD".
So, Reader, we are about to be Raptured...
Is that because the end of the world is upon us? ???
Not quite.
And, if you are a Mid Trib-er..... then you know that there is a GREAT TRIB, coming SOON.

Well, there you go..

The "END" that Jesus is talking about,( is for THOSE WHO ARE HERE) they are to endure to the END of the Great Tribulation, when another Gospel is being Preached by JEWS, 144,000.
These 144,000 Jews are not preaching PAUL's "gospel of the Grace of God" as that is OVER< when the "time of the Gentiles" ends, As that Gospel, is Paul's Gospel, and it ends as the Great Trib Begins.
.. In the G-Trib... the "gospel of the Kingdom" not the "Gospel of the Grace of God" is what the 144,000 Jews will be preaching.. to those who are IN THE GREAT TRIB, and you wont be, i wont be, and the "body of Christ" won't be in it.

Now, here is that "endure to the end"......explained to people who study their bible and love it..
Jesus says, in v 23... that "when you SEE the "abomination of DESOLATION.... Matthew 24:15.... then Jesus Says......you will know the "END." And that is not the end of your life as lying heretics teach on every Christian forum, and from Thousands of Pulpits.
See that?
Reader the "abomination of Desolation" is in the GREAT TRIBULATION......its not now in the "time of the Gentiles".
So, the "enduring to the END" is related to a different gospel and its during the Great Tribulation that THOSE who are in it, are to "endure to the END" of it.
So, that is NOT the born again, as we will be with JESUS, "in the Twinkling of an EYE" "You shall be CHANGED">....and have our new Bodies.

So, when a DECEIVER is trying to ram a "endure to the end" verse down your throat that is only for the GREAT TRIBULATION, then mark this person as one more heretic who does not know any bible, and it can be that they are not born again.
They certainly should not be teaching anything about SALVATION, as they are not associated with the Cross or the understanding of God's Grace.
If they were, they would be talking about GOD's GRACE and THE CROSS and "The Gift of Salvation and The Gift of Righteousness".
Why do they never talk about this REAL SALVATION that is GOD GIVEN and CHRIST EARNED?
Its because they don't know anything about it, having no personal experience with it.
Believe it.

God forbid any preacher of righteousness should exhort to endure temptation unto the end, and like Jesus overcome it by not sinning.

This stuff goes hand in hand with stop trying not to sin, but just go ahead and sin and accept it by grace.

The endgame of OSAS is at hand. There is no more any pretense of any appearance of eschewing evil, while doing righteousness is condemned.

Mystery Babylon is coming out of the closet in her full motherly glory.

Thank God a while back, I knew trying to correct them is a foolish waste of time. Not Christian saint should ever subject themselves to the folly of correct such foolishness.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

 

[Behold]

God forbid any preacher of righteousness should exhort to endure temptation unto the end, and like Jesus overcome it by not sinning.

"endure to the end" of the Tribulation.
so, if you are not born again, and honestly, there is no CROSS of CHRIST in your Posts, or in the Soteriology "stuff" that you post...
I can't find it., as you talk only about your self effort, as if Christ's blood and death is meaningless. And you are not among the few, as many on this fourm have no CROSS in their Salvation Teaching....

WAKE UP. !

So, if you are that one, who is here, stranded in the Grt Trib,= missed the Rapture and are found in the Great Tribulation, then you will have to "endure to the end" of the 7 yrs....., and you must not take the "mark".

As for the Born again.
We already exist as "ONE WITH GOD", "In Christ"... Having "eternal Life"... and that does not require us to endure anything, as we are already THERE, = HAVE Eternal LIFE....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God forbid any preacher of righteousness should exhort to endure temptation unto the end, and like Jesus overcome it by not sinning.

This stuff goes hand in hand with stop trying not to sin, but just go ahead and sin and accept it by grace.

The endgame of OSAS is at hand. There is no more any pretense of any appearance of eschewing evil, while doing righteousness is condemned.

Mystery Babylon is coming out of the closet in her full motherly glory.

Thank God a while back, I knew trying to correct them is a foolish waste of time. Not Christian saint should ever subject themselves to the folly of correct such foolishness.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

lol

Many in that day will boast of all their works they did in Jesus day..

Jesus will say depart from him for he NEVER KNEW THEM

They did not believe in OSAS either. They too believed they had to endure till the end. and all the works they did was their attempt to endure.

Sadly, they will find out to late that no amount of work will save them. But it is grace that saves.

I pray you find out before that day comes

 

[robert derrick]

"endure to the end" of the Tribulation.
so, if you are not born again, and honestly, there is no CROSS of CHRIST in your Posts, or in the Soteriology "stuff" that you post...
I can't find it., as you talk only about your self effort, as if Christ's blood and death is meaningless. And you are not among the few, as many on this fourm have no CROSS in their Salvation Teaching....

WAKE UP. !

So, if you are that one, who is here, stranded in the Grt Trib,= missed the Rapture and are found in the Great Tribulation, then you will have to "endure to the end" of the 7 yrs....., and you must not take the "mark".

As for the Born again.
We already exist as "ONE WITH GOD", "In Christ"... Having "eternal Life"... and that does not require us to endure anything, as we are already THERE, = HAVE Eternal LIFE....

As I've said already, there is no correcting you, and nothing I write in response to your OSAS teaching has anything personal on my part to do with you. If you want to say being righteous has nothing to do with doing righteousness, and enduring to the end has another to do with enduring temptation to the end, then there is no personal correction for you.

What we are seeing is the endgame of OSAS in all it's splendorous delusion, where everything they now say is so openly contradicting of Scripture written on paper, that there is no more reasoning with them, nor any thought of correcting them. What we are seeing is the unadorned folly of those who have already declared Scripture on paper to be dead and no longer matters to them.

They are now a simple case-study of how far OSAS believers are willing to go down the road of vain imagination, And the amazing thing about it, is simply to get around and reject James 2: We are not saved by faith alone, and we are only justified by works of faith. All of their stuff is thought up just for that one reason alone. A total divorcing of believing from doing. Their marriage to Christ is always by word of mouth and empty promise alone.

The last days of any person, group, nation, religion etc...is an openly displayed and unrestrained dive into the dip pit of spiritual and psychological self-delusion.

Them before the flood carried on with ever more filthiness of the flesh, until the flood came and swept them all away, The king of Babylon in his last days threw wild parties of self-idolatry, until Cyrus destroyed them all in one night, The king of Egypt took his own armies down into the Red Sea on dry ground, with waves standing high all around them, just to chase after the children of Israel, King Saul went to witches before being beheaded on the field of battle, The rulers of Israel crucified their own Christ and Messiah, rather than repent of corrupting the law of God, and now we see OSAS going hog wild in their deepest secrets of self-destructive doctrine, such as:

1. Being righteous has nothing to do with doing righteousness, and so being faithful has nothing to do with doing the word faithfully.
2. Enduring to the end has nothing to do with enduring temptation, nor to the end of one's departure.
3. Being righteous is by stop trying not to sin, without stopping the sinning. Repent of trying not to sin, not repent of sinning.
4. And now, they don't just have eternal life in in Christ, but they are now there at eternal life. They've arrived at eternal life in heavenly places, and just left the body behind and given up even trying not to sin.

The only thing they have arrived at, is the welcome home arms of mother Babylon the Great.

And now there is another OSAS believer elsewhere adding to these delusions:
5. What we do in life has absolutely nothing to do with believing Jesus: So long as we believe we are saved, we are saved.
6. OSAS Christians will still sin like the sinners of the world, but they are not of the devil like the world, because they don't 'enjoy' it now.

Brothers and sisters, I'm simply saying there comes a point where there is no more reasoning with such things, because in their last days of their glory, they are saying things that no reasonable little child would ever give the time of day to.

It is true, that the devil begins by hiding out in the weeds of things, with deception and appearance of righteous talk, but in the end he will not be hid anymore, but will come out of the closet and state his case plainly, so that no once can doubt who he is: the devil, the god of this world, and I want you to bow down to what I say and do that, not what is written in some book by flesh and blood men of old.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

WAKE UP. !

To what? OSAS righteousness of being without doing??

Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach!

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

[robert derrick]

lol

It is always the same. Expose them, and like Hillary, laugh it off. Probably sounds like her cackling too.

They did not believe in OSAS either.

Adam and Eve did, when the serpent told them they would spiritually live on forever as gods in heavenly places, And whether they do good or evil has nothing to do with it.

Why? Because being righteous has nothing to do with doing righteousness, and being a child of the devil has nothing to do with doing evil, so long as you don't enjoy it.

And so, you've arrived at enteral life in your own heavenly place: you are not as much a god as Adam and Eve were when they transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and completely ate up the devil's lie of OSAS.

Sadly, they will find out to late that no amount of work will save them. But it is grace that saves.

Sadly is one of those favorite OSAS words, that is just as meaningless as all their words. I'm recording a list of them, such as:

Irrevocable, Celebratory, Unconditional, gifted (that's one of their favorites), secure, incredible...

I pray you find out before that day comes

I already have, and I am watching it all unfold before my very eyes.

 

[Behold]

As I've said already, there is no correcting you, and nothing I write in response to your OSAS teaching has anything personal on my part to do with you..

IF you actually understood Salvation you would understand and agree with Paul.
Paul teaches that God's Righteousness becomes the born again Christian.
This is to exist "in Christ", "made righteous".
This truth, that is Paul's Gospel, conflicts and contradicts your self saving legalism, and that is because the Grace of God, is not your Salvation Theology.
You do not have a working knowledge of the blood atonement..
You could not explain "justification by faith", unless you went to WIKI, and read it, and then you would not understand it, but you probably would cut and paste it and pretend you wrote it.
So, based on any and every post you create that is related to Salvation, you define yourself as a devout Legalist.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is always the same. Expose them, and like Hillary, laugh it off. Probably sounds like her cackling too.

Satan laughs at you every time you deny the grace of God and try to insert your own righteousness..

I would be more worried about the eternal consequences of your sin, and not on attacking others who trust God.

Adam and Eve did, when the serpent told them they would spiritually live on forever as gods in heavenly places, And whether they do good or evil has nothing to do with it.

Adam and Eve were perfect. They had not sinned and fallen short of Gods glory. They EARNED the right to be in a relationship with GOD (UNTIL THEY FELL.)

So trying to use them to pump up your self righteousness will nto help you

Why? Because being righteous has nothing to do with doing righteousness, and being a child of the devil has nothing to do with doing evil, so long as you don't enjoy it.

Actually, to adman and eve, before the fall. it had everything with doing righteousness..

And being a child of the devil is placing yourself under stand and not under christ. Its falling for the false gospel of self righteousness you have fell for.

And so, you've arrived at enteral life in your own heavenly place: you are not as much a god as Adam and Eve were when they transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and completely ate up the devil's lie of OSAS.

Lol
After Adam and Eve fell. They required grace to restore them. In fact, the first shedding of blood was shown to cover their nakedness as a symbol of what Christ would do on the cross..

Once they fell. They could not longer be righteous according to Gods standard. Which required perfection. They already sinned.

They recieved Gods grace,, They did not reject it. Why do you reject it?

Sadly is one of those favorite OSAS words, that is just as meaningless as all their words. I'm recording a list of them, such as:

Irrevocable, Celebratory, Unconditional, gifted (that's one of their favorites), secure, incredible...



I already have, and I am watching it all unfold before my very eyes.

Gods standard is perfection

There is two ways for a sinner who has failed to meet that standard to react to that truth

1. Repent and confess to God you are guilty. And recieve his gift of eternal life paid for by his own blood. Then rest from your wok. And seek to love others and do the things of the spirit. Willingly and without fear knowing you still can not meet Gods standard. But not fretting on it. Because no one can. So confess and move on..

2. Fail to repent. Water down Gods law. Pump your chest and claim you are a righteous person who Loves God and does his will and tear down group one. Spend your whole life trying to be good and attacking those who try to share Gods grace with you, instead of out Doing Gods real work which is to love and serve others..

I have seen you for a few months now. You definiately fall under number 2.

I myself will continue to be number 1 and look to seek the things of the spirit and love others. And not truly to puff myself up as being something I am not..

 

[Always Believing]

-
This is #2 : regarding my mini-teaching series that shows you how Heretics try to bend the bible to twist your faith in Christ into : NO faith in Christ.

Here is #1 in case you want to study it.

"Depart from me i never knew you". #1

This partial VERSE...("""endure to the end".. is easy to explain, as all you have to do is pick up a bible and read more then that one verse.
Heretics do not... Heretics use commentaries and websites, and usually one verse to try to build a false Theology that is always related to teaching the lie of "losing salvation" or related to the deception of trying to stay saved, having lost all faith in Christ.

So, .... the deceiver tells you..>"if you want to go to heaven, you have to (SELF EFFORT) (WORKS) "'endure to the end"".
Then this deceiver will try to convince you that the "END" is the end of your life.
So, isn't that just a cozy and completed pile of Cross rejecting Legalistic Nonsense.

Let me show you the verses now.

First, the Apostles are asking Jesus in Matthew 24:3 .. WHEN Is the "SIGN" of the coming of the "END OF THE AGE"... Or as the KJV teaches. "the END OF THE WORLD".
So, Reader, we are about to be Raptured...
Is that because the end of the world is upon us? ???
Not quite.
And, if you are a Mid Trib-er..... then you know that there is a GREAT TRIB, coming SOON.

Well, there you go..

The "END" that Jesus is talking about,( is for THOSE WHO ARE HERE) they are to endure to the END of the Great Tribulation, when another Gospel is being Preached by JEWS, 144,000.
These 144,000 Jews are not preaching PAUL's "gospel of the Grace of God" as that is OVER< when the "time of the Gentiles" ends, As that Gospel, is Paul's Gospel, and it ends as the Great Trib Begins.
.. In the G-Trib... the "gospel of the Kingdom" not the "Gospel of the Grace of God" is what the 144,000 Jews will be preaching.. to those who are IN THE GREAT TRIB, and you wont be, i wont be, and the "body of Christ" won't be in it.

Now, here is that "endure to the end"......explained to people who study their bible and love it..
Jesus says, in v 23... that "when you SEE the "abomination of DESOLATION.... Matthew 24:15.... then Jesus Says......you will know the "END." And that is not the end of your life as lying heretics teach on every Christian forum, and from Thousands of Pulpits.
See that?
Reader the "abomination of Desolation" is in the GREAT TRIBULATION......its not now in the "time of the Gentiles".
So, the "enduring to the END" is related to a different gospel and its during the Great Tribulation that THOSE who are in it, are to "endure to the END" of it.
So, that is NOT the born again, as we will be with JESUS, "in the Twinkling of an EYE" "You shall be CHANGED">....and have our new Bodies.

So, when a DECEIVER is trying to ram a "endure to the end" verse down your throat that is only for the GREAT TRIBULATION, then mark this person as one more heretic who does not know any bible, and it can be that they are not born again.
They certainly should not be teaching anything about SALVATION, as they are not associated with the Cross or the understanding of God's Grace.
If they were, they would be talking about GOD's GRACE and THE CROSS and "The Gift of Salvation and The Gift of Righteousness".
Why do they never talk about this REAL SALVATION that is GOD GIVEN and CHRIST EARNED?
Its because they don't know anything about it, having no personal experience with it.
Believe it.

I'm not sure what you mean about the end or not because I only care about me now and my end on earth and I also don't see what you mean about enduring. Enduring for me now is enduring hating sin when I do it. I used to not to have to endure it because I loved it and didn't care what God thought about it, but now I must endure sinning because I believe Jesus is the Christ and I now hate doing what I used to love doing. If I could stop sinning then that would be great but I can't, so I must endure sinning without enjoying it anymore. There are those who say they are not sinning anymore and that is good and I wish I could say the same. And so I also don't know what they mean by enduring since they are not sinning and don't have to endure hating it.

So long as I believe Jesus is the Christ and is my Savior living within me then I must now endure sinning without pleasure unlike I did before. Like Paul with his thorn in the flesh, I would love to not be sinning anymore but by the grace of God I can endure hating it to the end of my life on earth. The strength of my faith is to always believe Jesus is the Christ and is my personal Savior so that I will endure sinning rather than enjoy it.

Are you saying you do not endure sinning anymore because you are not sinning and so you have no more loss to your joy as a Christian? That is what the saints say and I would love to be that kind of Christian, but I'm not. Are you saying Christian saints are not enduring sinning anymore and Christians sinners are still enduring not liking it? I would agree with that.

 

[robert derrick]

IF you actually understood Salvation you would understand and agree with Paul.

So, Christians are not only those forbidden to keep the law of Christ unto the end, but now are forbidden to even think of trying not to sin unto the end.

Resisting the devil has now become against the law of OSAS.

Add to that being born sinners of the devil from the womb, and forbidden to resist being a child of the devil unto the end, and we've got OSAS sinners sinning from cradle to grave. Who needs a license to sin, when you're all nice and locked up in the devil's jail for life. without so much as the possibility of having a get-out-of-jail-free card? I mean, since it is now law to resist sinning, on pains of going to hell, then who needs a license to sin??

No wonder they say doing the righteousness of the law of Christ in true holiness unto the end, is doom and gloom preaching.

 

[robert derrick]

IF you actually understood Salvation you would understand and agree with Paul.
Paul teaches that God's Righteousness becomes the born again Christian.

I am continually amazed how such simple twists of Scripture can produce an exact opposite lie to the truth, for the sake of justifying oneself.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God's righteousness is not become us. We are made to be God's righteousness in Christ.

Saying God's righteousness has become us alone, is the same as saying the law has become us alone, and we are now become a law unto ourselves alone, which is exactly what OSAS teaches by doing away with the law of Scripture written on paper, and the only law they do is what they have written in their hearts and minds by their own faith alone.

And so, as it was with the law, now it is with righteousness, that they have become and made of themselves their own law and righteousness.

Their law forbids keeping the law of Scripture, and their righteousness forbids resisting sinning against it.

And so, of course, by that law of their own righteousness, the only ones judged as unrighteous and condemned to hell, are those doing the righteousness of the law of Christ found only in Scripture.

This thread truly is the revelation end of all OSAS in their last days of putting on a Christian show. It is stripped of any pretense of righteousness of God as written in Scripture, and come out in full Babylonish glory of becoming one's own law, righteousness, and judge by one's own faith alone.

 

[robert derrick]

I would be more worried about the eternal consequences of your sin, and not on attacking others who trust God.

Eternal consequence of sinning? Really? That's a new one for OSAS. I mean, you're saying that on a thread that forbids resisting sinning.

Adam and Eve were perfect.

If they had been perfect, they would not have sinned. God is the only One perfect on His throne in heaven, so that He cannot sin nor even be tempted to sin.

Which temptation you now preach not to even try resisting.

They had not sinned and fallen short of Gods glory.

God's glory on the throne cannot sin neither be tempted to sin.

Jesus was not God's glory of the throne in the flesh, because He was not only tempted to sin, but was tempted by the devil in every possible way to sin on earth.

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

Jesus was God's glorious virtue of a perfectly single and pure heart towards the Father, as Adam and Eve were when created by the Lord, and all souls are by Christ born from the womb, and all His born again saints are in becoming as newborn babes, but not from the womb again.

You people preach a perfectionism of heaven on earth, that Jesus did not have nor does He command, and then preach a sinful life without hope of not sinning, and commanded to not even try.

They EARNED the right to be in a relationship with GOD (UNTIL THEY FELL.).

By believing OSAS.

Water down Gods law.

Another strange one from OSAS, although I guess getting rid of God's law on paper isn't watering it down.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternal consequence of sinning? Really? That's a new one for OSAS. I mean, you're saying that on a thread that forbids resisting sinning.

This is rediculous. All OSAS believers believe there is an eternal consequence for sin. Thats WHY we believe we can not earn our way out of eternal death by our works.
reality is, you do not fear the consequence of sin or the reality of it..

If they had been perfect, they would not have sinned. God is the only One perfect on His throne in heaven, so that He cannot sin nor even be tempted to sin.

What bible do you read, They had no sin, hence had not fallen short of Gods standard.. they were perfect

as For God, He was tempted in all areas. yet was without sin.

Which temptation you now preach not to even try resisting.

Sorry bro. but you are now bearing false witness. I have never stated nor have I ever taught such nonsense.

God's glory on the throne cannot sin neither be tempted to sin.

Jesus was not God's glory of the throne in the flesh, because He was not only tempted to sin, but was tempted by the devil in every possible way to sin on earth.

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

Jesus was God's glorious virtue of a perfectly single and pure heart towards the Father, as Adam and Eve were when created by the Lord, and all souls are by Christ born from the womb, and all His born again saints are in becoming as newborn babes, but not from the womb again.

You people preach a perfectionism of heaven on earth, that Jesus did not have nor does He command, and then preach a sinful life without hope of not sinning, and commanded to not even try.

No, we preach the truth. Moses said whoever did not keep ALL of the law. were cursed.. That means even one sin your doomed forever.

We can not even keep the law God gave moses. So how can we be perfect.

that's Gods requirement, You want to water down Gods law so you can deny your own sin.

Sorry bro. when you stand in front of God. you will not get away with it.

By believing OSAS.

They did not have to believe in OSAS. Nore did they need to be saved, they had a perfect relationship with God unbroken by sin

Another strange one from OSAS, although I guess getting rid of God's law on paper isn't watering it down.

I did not get rid of Gods law. And I am not watering it down. YOU ARE.. By claiming you can not keep it. yet still not be condemned..

 

[robert derrick]

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So, when a DECEIVER is trying to ram a "endure to the end" verse down your throat that is only for the GREAT TRIBULATION, then mark this person as one more heretic who does not know any bible, and it can be that they are not born again.

Amazing, absolutely amazing. I always marvel how one single Scripture can utterly expose them for what they are, and who they are doing it for:

Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

They not only demand Christians cease from trying to cease from sinning, but also now in the same breath, make Jesus a DECEIVER ramming 'enduring unto the end' down His disciples' throats.

This can only be the thoroughly blinded result of them that say letters of Scripture on paper are dead, and they should not matter anymore for faith. And they talk about being ignorant of the Bible, while disannulling the letters and words written therein.

As I've said, these people are hanging themselves by their own last ropes, and this is the open spiritual warfare of the beast against the saints.

Trying not to sin and resist the devil, is the only kind of endurance that Jesus commands, for which cause the devil brings tribulation and persecution upon the saints.