Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

[VictoryinJesus]

The verse of the day led to:

James, a bond servant Of God and of the a Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:1-3 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. [2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. [3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

James, a bond servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ. Proceeding out from the throne of God and of the Lamb

to the twelve tribes dispersed abroad. brethren, consider it joy when you encounter various trails, knowing the testing of faith produces endurance.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

included the “blessed is he” for later on it appeared again in studying further.
​

 

[VictoryinJesus]

consider it joy when you encounter various trails, knowing the testing of faith produces endurance.

the testing of faith produces endurance
when I think of testing, I think of it as in regard to melting where the impurities are removed. But in relation to “working out your own salvation with fear and trembling” …it is the “testing of faith produces endurance” that stood out. Because “produces” is “to work out”: “to work down to the end-point”, “to fashion, render one fit for a thing.” (2 Corinthians 5:5), which brings up to fashion one unto dishonor, and another to honor.
1 Corinthians 5:7, 2 Peter 1:9-10




continued…

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You omitted the full truth of the Philippians 2:12-13 passage.
Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

“testing of faith produces endurance” that stood out. Because “produces” is “to work out”: “to work down to the end-point”, “to fashion, render one fit for a thing.”

Romans 5:3 We glory in tribulations knowing that the tribulation, perseverance produces (the same “to work out”, to work down to the end-point, “to fashion, render one fit for a thing.”),

And perseverance, (works, produces) character
And character(works, produces), hope
And Hope does not make [us] ashamed (of the gospel of Christ Jesus)because the love of God has been poured out into the hearts of us through [the] Holy Spirit, the One having been given unto us.

Let the brother of humble circumstances glory in his high position;
And the rich man [is to glory] in his humiliation, because as the flowering grass the rich man will pass away.
(To me this speaks of the Old man, and the New man.) Glory in that one (Adam) is brought down, and Glory in the Other (Christ) exalted.
the beauty of appearance, is destroyed, so too the rich man in his pursuits will fade away.

For the Sun will rise with a scorching wind—consider God is not a respecter of persons …if the sun rises with a scorching wind on the rich man that he fades away, will the sun also rise with a scorching wind on the humble man ?
If not so, that the sun rises and a scorching wind blows …how does the rich man (that old man destroyed) so that the humble Man (preserve) is preserved, that is Christ.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, for once he has been approved the crown of Life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him—he will receive.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You omitted the full truth of the Philippians 2:12-13 passage.
Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

not on purpose…thank you because the purpose is not to deny it is God who works in you to Will and to act according to his purpose. Same as,
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Paraphrasing what it says to me in study(wrong or right) continued…

let no one say when he is tempted,
“God tempts”
for God cannot be tempted by evil
…such as, that which is born of God cannot sin.

God Himself does not tempt. (Is God made a Temptress?)

Each is tempted
When he is carried away, swept away and consumed by his own lust

each are enticed by his own lust.
When lust is conceived,
It gives birth to sin,
When sin is accomplished
Sin brings forth death. “That sin might become exceedingly sinful” be heavy—exceedingly heavy— you sinners and mourn, humble yourself, and Christ will lift you up.

Don’t be deceived my beloved brother. (James, a bond servant of God and of the Jesus Christ…to the twelve tribes dispersed abroad), be not deceived. He will throughly purge his floor; and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. (Imo: With a fire that cannot be quenched so that, that which it outward —the rich man’s glory that fades away —carried away in his own lust, enticed by his own lust, giving birth to sin, and sin when fully conceived bringing forth death—a fire never to be quenched, sin to be burned and destroyed with fire, sin never to rise up again. To be burned and destroyed with fire no man can quench, sin conceived that brings forth death, being that which is removed by the circumcision of Christ Jesus for the removal of sin within the body. Faith “Tested” by fire “knowing the testing of your faith produces”—to work out, work down to the end-point, to fashion, render on fit for a thing—produces endurance
Perseverance, Character
Character, hope

Sin within the body destroyed, the chaff, not to prevent that which is within, the wheat: be not deceived “beloved brethren” no longer a servant to sin, but above a servant “a dearly beloved brother” in Christ.

Philippians 4:8-13 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. [9] Those things, which you have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. [10] But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein you were also careful, but you lacked opportunity. [11] Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. [12] I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.

I know both how to be abased
And I know how to abound
Every where
In all things
I’m instructed both
To be be full
And to be hungry
To abound
And to suffer need
let the brother of humble circumstances, glory in his high position. (1 Corinthians 3:18-23 ) God has given us all things in Christ, whether in this life, or the one to come. All things are yours. As it is written? God brings down the proud man, and exalts the humble and gives strength to the poor.

Let the rich man glory in this, his humiliation. Knowing his beauty will fade and he will perish in his pursuits.

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trail. I’ve learn both…how to be abased not to be found in Him having my own righteousness, but the righteousness which is of God, and of the Lamb. For I counted it all dung, which I suffered the loss of all things…

Yet I have learned “both” how to be abased, and how to abound, I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me. Whether abased, or abounding. For as He said he who suffers the loss of all things, truly gains all things in Christ….having received the promise of Life in Christ unto those who love and wait for His appearance. So, not I, but Christ Lives. Is Paul saying: Do not Glory in the flesh , your glorying is not good…instead you should have mourned. do you not know the rich man is consumed and destroyed in his own lust, carried away in his Lust? Do you not know God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. Let the humble rejoice in this, for his high position in Christ Jesus , for a Light has risen and abounds in every place, in all things through Christ who strengthens.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Paraphrasing what it says to me in study(wrong or right) continued…

let no one say when he is tempted,
“God tempts”
for God cannot be tempted by evil
…such as, that which is born of God cannot sin.

God Himself does not tempt. (Is God made a Temptress?)

Each is tempted
When he is carried away, swept away and consumed by his own lust

each are enticed by his own lust.
When lust is conceived,
It gives birth to sin,
When sin is accomplished
Sin brings forth death. “That sin might become exceedingly sinful” be heavy—exceedingly heavy— you sinners and mourn, humble yourself, and Christ will lift you up.

Don’t be deceived my beloved brother. (James, a bond servant of God and of the Jesus Christ…to the twelve tribes dispersed abroad), be not deceived. He will throughly purge his floor; and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. (Imo: With a fire that cannot be quenched so that, that which it outward —the rich man’s glory that fades away —carried away in his own lust, enticed by his own lust, giving birth to sin, and sin when fully conceived bringing forth death—a fire never to be quenched, sin to be burned and destroyed with fire, sin never to rise up again. To be burned and destroyed with fire no man can quench, sin conceived that brings forth death, being that which is removed by the circumcision of Christ Jesus for the removal of sin within the body. Faith “Tested” by fire “knowing the testing of your faith produces”—to work out, work down to the end-point, to fashion, render on fit for a thing—produces endurance
Perseverance, Character
Character, hope

Sin within the body destroyed, the chaff, not to prevent that which is within, the wheat: be not deceived “beloved brethren” no longer a servant to sin, but above a servant “a dearly beloved brother” in Christ.

Philippians 4:8-13 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. [9] Those things, which you have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. [10] But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein you were also careful, but you lacked opportunity. [11] Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. [12] I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.

I know both how to be abased
And I know how to abound
Every where
In all things
I’m instructed both
To be be full
And to be hungry
To abound
And to suffer need
let the brother of humble circumstances, glory in his high position. (1 Corinthians 3:18-23 ) God has given us all things in Christ, whether in this life, or the one to come. All things are yours. As it is written? God brings down the proud man, and exalts the humble and gives strength to the poor.

Let the rich man glory in this, his humiliation. Knowing his beauty will fade and he will perish in his pursuits.

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trail. I’ve learn both…how to be abased not to be found in Him having my own righteousness, but the righteousness which is of God, and of the Lamb. For I counted it all dung, which I suffered the loss of all things…

Yet I have learned “both” how to be abased, and how to abound, I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me. Whether abased, or abounding. For as He said he who suffers the loss of all things, truly gains all things in Christ….having received the promise of Life in Christ unto those who love and wait for His appearance. So, not I, but Christ Lives. Is Paul saying: Do not Glory in the flesh , your glorying is not good…instead you should have mourned. do you not know the rich man is consumed and destroyed in his own lust, carried away in his Lust? Do you not know God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. Let the humble rejoice in this, for his high position in Christ Jesus , for a Light has risen and abounds in every place, in all things through Christ who strengthens.

Thank you for posting this part:''...for God cannot be tempted by evil.''

That shuts the door on the anti-gospel proponents who falsely assert Jesus was just a man, and was born with a sin nature, which is why he could be tempted by Satan during Jesus' fast in the desert.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

not on purpose…thank you because the purpose is not to deny it is God who works in you to Will and to act according to his purpose. Same as,
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Hard to miss a full series of sentences in one verse.

My God brings peace, because he is of love. Suffering isn't proof I love him. It is proof the enemy loves suffering.
Which is why from the beginning he has been a liar.

And now that Jesus sealed the eternal unchangeable salvation covenant for God's saints, he's busy inspiring the church of the ego, works, revocable salvation, and insuring eternal damnation in those who blaspheme God's holy spirit .

Busy,busy,busy.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hard to miss a full series of sentences in one verse.

true. But I have A habit of posting a whole book. Way too much to try to convey a point. I didn’t leave it out to try to omit God. To be honest, maybe wrong, but I was attempting to bring attention to “continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling” in relation to “testing of faith produces endurance”. Because often I have been taught this is studying to show yourselves approved but what I see is an application for life, the outcome “endurance”. No?

My God brings peace, because he is of love. Suffering isn't proof I love him. It is proof the enemy loves suffering.
Which is why from the beginning he has been a liar.

And now that Jesus sealed the eternal unchangeable salvation covenant for God's saints, he's busy inspiring the church of the ego, works, revocable salvation, and insuring eternal damnation in those who blaspheme God's holy spirit .

Busy,busy,busy.

I see two …and wasn’t meaning to point fingers at anyone. Why “with fear and trembling” I wonder? To me it is: Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial…

what you said about suffering …how God is love and you don’t have to suffer to prove your love for Him. Depends (Imo):
sin unto death
or obedience unto righteousness
“If any of you suffer..” suffer for what is good (Life?), and not for what is evil (death)? To me that says we can suffer for the outcome to be death. Or we can suffer for the outcome to be Life. Consider Paul, or better yet Jesus Christ who suffered such an contradiction of sinners …yet endured. Again, it helps in application (Imo) where we can suffer hoping they (whoever it may be) bears death. Or suffer, that they (whoever it may be) bears Life. What fruit are we hoping for? For them all to burn? For them all to go to hell? Maybe wrong, but I don’t see that in Christ. I don’t see that in Paul, who told them it was better for them if he remained in the flesh. How they were his hope and joy of rejoicing in the Lord. Consider a parent of a drug addict…there is one suffering; to suffer for buying more drugs for the child to enable them to continue in the addition…so we “don’t have to suffer” in the immediate watching them go without. But is More death in the end. Or another suffering—for the long haul—in suffering the brunt of cutting it off, no longer enabling it to continue…even if at the time there is suffering in the word “no”. Allowing them the full brunt of choice. It looks hopeless. …but Hoping for a better end.

Point is, is God an enabler? Does God love in suffering that we might partake in …changed from glory to glory? Do we prove our love for God through suffering, depends I think on “sin unto death” or “obedience unto righteousness” …for the immediate, or for a better outcome?
And sometimes what that “obedience” looks like …for example when the Pharisees constantly jumped on him accusing he wasn’t being obedient according to their standards. We do that too, yea?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

true. But I have A habit of posting a whole book. Way too much to try to convey a point. I didn’t leave it out to try to omit God. To be honest, maybe wrong, but I was attempting to bring attention to “continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling” in relation to “testing of faith produces endurance”. Because often I have been taught this is studying to show yourselves approved but what I see is an application for life, the outcome “endurance”. No?



I see two …and wasn’t meaning to point fingers at anyone. Why “with fear and trembling” I wonder? To me it is: Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial…

what you said about suffering …how God is love and you don’t have to suffer to prove your love for Him. Depends (Imo):
sin unto death
or obedience unto righteousness
“If any of you suffer..” suffer for what is good (Life?), and not for what is evil (death)? To me that says we can suffer for the outcome to be death. Or we can suffer for the outcome to be Life. Consider Paul, or better yet Jesus Christ who suffered such an contradiction of sinners …yet endured. Again, it helps in application (Imo) where we can suffer hoping they (whoever it may be) bears death. Or suffer, that they (whoever it may be) bears Life. What fruit are we hoping for? For them all to burn? For them all to go to hell? Maybe wrong, but I don’t see that in Christ. I don’t see that in Paul, who told them it was better for them if he remained in the flesh. How they were his hope and joy of rejoicing in the Lord. Consider a parent of a drug addict…there is on suffering; to suffer for buying more drugs for the child to enable them to continue in the addition…so we “don’t have to suffer” watching them go without. Or —another suffering—in suffering the brunt of cutting it off, no longer enabling it to continue…even if at the time there is suffering in the word “no”. Point is, is God an enabler? Does God love in suffering that we might partake in …changed from glory to glory? Do we prove our love for God through suffering, depends I think on “sin unto death” or “obedience unto righteousness”
And sometimes what that “obedience” looks like …for example when the Pharisees constantly jumped on him accusing he wasn’t being obedient according to their standards. We do that too, yea?

Post the scripture, the whole chapter for context, where Jesus said we need work to keep our salvation, and/or can choose to lose it. And all that was accomplished in us by God's will , shall be revoked and we shall return to our dead in sin fallen state.

Ke eping in mind, to do this you have to find a passage where God contradicts himself in those passages where he tells us, we did not choose him he chose us. He named us in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world. You must find the passage where Jesus contradicts himself when he said, if all the father gives him he will lose none. And shall raise us up on the last day.
No one will take us from his hand. God's grace gift of faith and salvation are irrevocable, are of God, not of our own doing.

Proceed.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Are we going to believe those who try to convince themselves Jesus died to bring salvation to God's chosen,before the foundation of the world, with the caviat that says he never saw coming those who would throw it back in his face by choice?
Or, that he died to save us but we can do something afterward to lose it, when we are told we can do nothing to receive what is a gift from God? Who must have misspoke when he called that gift irrevocable.
And not our doing but his.

Wake up! All ye who labor to push an insecure doctrine of conditional reprieve. The Bible,God's words, prove you're wasting your time.



Can a Christian “give back” salvation? | GotQuestions.org


Can a Christian lose salvation? | GotQuestions.org

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Post the scripture, the whole chapter for context, where Jesus said we need work to keep our salvation, and/or can choose to lose it. And all that was accomplished in us by God's will , shall be revoked and we shall return to our dead in sin fallen state.

you said “And now that Jesus sealed the eternal unchangeable salvation covenant for God's saints, he's busy inspiring the church of the ego, works, revocable salvation, and insuring eternal damnation in those who blaspheme God's holy spirit .

Busy,busy,busy.”

maybe they want a drink of what you have.

Ke eping in mind, to do this you have to find a passage where God contradicts himself in those passages where he tells us, we did not choose him he chose us.

“we did not choose him he chose us”
Then why does this produce “to work out”
No fear and trembling, but instead wait until those that didn’t choose him who choose us…cast those who didn’t choose Him into prison. I think there is a parable regarding this…in releasing one from prison and they go on to cast one who owes them in to prison.

He named us in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world.

that which is Spirit is Spirit.
That which is flesh is flesh.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

you said “And now that Jesus sealed the eternal unchangeable salvation covenant for God's saints, he's busy inspiring the church of the ego, works, revocable salvation, and insuring eternal damnation in those who blaspheme God's holy spirit .

Busy,busy,busy.”

maybe they want a drink of what you have.





“we did not choose him he chose us”
Then why does this produce “to work out”
No fear and trembling, but instead wait until those that didn’t choose him who choose us…cast those who didn’t choose Him into prison. I think there is a parable regarding this…in releasing one from prison and they go on to cast one who owes them in to prison.



that which is Spirit is Spirit.
That which is flesh is flesh.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

this a new one. I’ve never been blamed for saying salvation can be lost. Instead I’ve always being blamed for being OSAS. What I was trying to share must have went terribly wrong then. You win…topic over unless you want to continue on with it. It is yours.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

you said “And now that Jesus sealed the eternal unchangeable salvation covenant for God's saints, he's busy inspiring the church of the ego, works, revocable salvation, and insuring eternal damnation in those who blaspheme God's holy spirit .

Busy,busy,busy.”

maybe they want a drink of what you have.

You falsify my post with your cut and paste.
That's desperate. And foul.
We have nothing more to discuss.

 

[quietthinker]

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
What a pertinent statement!
At the end of the day all our pride, our rightness, our convoluted theologies don't carry any weight. What matters is the nature of our connection to Jesus.

 

[Robert Gwin]

the testing of faith produces endurance
when I think of testing, I think of it as in regard to melting where the impurities are removed. But in relation to “working out your own salvation with fear and trembling” …it is the “testing of faith produces endurance” that stood out. Because “produces” is “to work out”: “to work down to the end-point”, “to fashion, render one fit for a thing.” (2 Corinthians 5:5), which brings up to fashion one unto dishonor, and another to honor.
1 Corinthians 5:7, 2 Peter 1:9-10




continued…

I salute you Vicky for bringing out Phil 2:12. Most people believe that you don't have to work, and that you are not responsible for your own salvation, even though that verse is quite clear. Keep up the great posts maam.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You omitted the full truth of the Philippians 2:12-13 passage.
Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

Phillipians 2:
13 ''It is God who produces in you the desires and actions that please him.''

Makes for a quandary amid those who insist these same folk are sinners sinning still.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

OP: "work out YOUR OWN salvation"?

Of course, in isolation, this is Confusing, as Many think it means
God's Salvation. But, Not true - see below # (2) ►► love ◄◄:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing God's Differences Be-
tween "HIS Relationship With us," And "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who
humbly repent (change mind that "sin is Wrong!") and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [ Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

1) ► faith ◄ God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works (faith which worketh by love!)"
{Which will Never Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for Him, having
"been Called into fellowship With Him!" (Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9)
Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

Eternal Results: reward [or loss *] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day!

* More helpful study: Finishing The Race
►► love ◄◄ and, Finally:

►►► Blessed Hope ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?
--------------------------------------------------------------
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

GRACE And Peace! The apostle of GRACE (2 Min With The BIBLE)

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FULL study:
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part I)
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part II)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Phillipians 2:
13 ''It is God who produces in you the desires and actions that please him.''

@Blue Dragonfly's it was your bringing attention to that I had left out “It is God who produces in you the desires and actions that please him.” That also lead to that about Elijah …also considering without Faith it is impossible to please God. So I’m not disagreeing with: it is God who produces in you the desires and actions that please Him. But even there “produces” is a work of God?

Effective
To be operative
To be at work
To put forth power

Galatians 2:8
1 Corinthians 12:11
Ephesians 1:19
1 Corinthians 12:6
Galatians 3:5
Philippians 2:13

The effective prayer of a righteous man can (to be strong, have power) accomplish (to be at work) much (many) …

Makes for a quandary amid those who insist these same folk are sinners sinning still.

I had to look up what “quandary” means. Dilemma?