What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Peterlag]

I understood the question. You had to first understandJesus was God so to then understand 1 John 3:8,
1 Timothy 2:3, 2 Peter 1:1,

Hosea 13:4

Jesus being God was the propitiation for our sins. He took what seperated us,sin,from God upon himself on the cross and paid the price for all flesh by giving up his own. And reunite us with the father.
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Yeah but the Bible does not say that. It says a man did it. I looked at 1 John 3:8 and it does not say Jesus is God or why Jesus would have to be God. And neither does 1 Timothy 2:3. I'm going to assume that you either can't answer the question or you don't understand the question.

 

[Cassandra]

I don't read the Jewish Bible. Just the New Testament. Yes there are 2 in the Bible referring to a savior. God and Jesus. Jesus because he was our savior and God who provided him.

That Bible is the one Jesus used and memorized. That is the Old Testament because it testifies of Jesus as does the New.
You are cheating yourself.

 

[Peterlag]

You question is odd to me, "what benefit does it produce to make Jesus God?" Actually it's a complex question, a logical fallacy. We don't "make Jesus God". No one "makes Him" God, or "makes Him" not God. Either He is or He isn't, and it's just that way.

But you are looking for an human understanding of why this is somehow the right way? You complain when others say, "the Bible says He is God", but in truth, that's what matters, whether the Bible says He is God or not, and only then would we be able to go on to a spiritual understanding of how this works together with all the rest of what God is and has been doing.

Let's go to the two passages you've pointed to.

Romans 5:11-14 YLT
11) And not only so , but we are also boasting in God, through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom now we did receive the reconciliation;
12) because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
13) for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law;
14) but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming.

All men died because all men sinned. How is it that Jesus did not sin? How is it that death did not pass to Jesus as it did to all others? If He was a man from the ancestry of Adam, how is it that He did not inherit the curse of sin and death as did all others? But if Jesus came "in the likeness of sinful flesh", yet a new Man, He is apart from that. But even so, why God?

1 Corinthians 15:45-49 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The two Men are different. One is of the earth, earthy. One is the Lord from Heaven. As we've born the image of the earthy man, we will also bear the image of the Lord from heaven.

A very significant point to make is that while the first Adam was made "a living soul", the Last Adam was made "a quickening Spirit", that is, "a Spirit that makes alive". Jesus, our Creator God, has the power to make us alive. Adam made us dead, but Jesus makes us alive, because He is the Lord from heaven, Who gave us life in the first place.

Much love!

For you to post the following tells me that you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. The bloodline of Jesus did not come from a man.

All men died because all men sinned. How is it that Jesus did not sin? How is it that death did not pass to Jesus as it did to all others? If He was a man from the ancestry of Adam, how is it that He did not inherit the curse of sin and death as did all others? But if Jesus came "in the likeness of sinful flesh", yet a new Man, He is apart from that. But even so, why God?

 

[Peterlag]

Nothing hints that Christ came to show us how to live better… “being given a better hope, better promises”??
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
^ that doesn’t hint at Christ showing us a better way to live? Paul also spoke on hope of “not in vain” vain is nonprofitable, useless, empty, void..as void as the darkness in the beginning of Genesis before the Spirit moved and said “let there be light”. A void —wide expanse—emptiness. If the Light of Christ has not risen …then your faith is dead and in vain, being still in the grave. How about as poor, yet making many rich. As dead, yet we live?

Galatians 2:20 is not Paul but the spirit of Christ living in him. He's telling you that right in the same verse that he's crucified with Christ. Like in dead to the flesh.

 

[Cassandra]

notice john didnt just say And the WORD was with GOD and GOD with the WORD . HE WROTE GOD IS THE WORD .

Here it is in Latin.
in principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum

I have only one year of Latin so far, but i will try to translate this:

In the beginning, was the Word and the Word was among or in the presence of God, and God was the Word.

 

[Peterlag]

“to live better” how about when Paul spoke on : we have all had our conversation in the world, in the pride and lust of the flesh…but to have a better conversation in Christ? I don’t get what you are saying? Saul may not have benefited anything persecuting Jesus Christ? But does Grace benefit nothing in The latter end of Paul who had a better conversation in the Faith he once persecuted, he preached?

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Interesting that you capitalize "man" when referring to 1 Corinthians. I wonder why? Yes he is the Lord from heaven because he came from God. When Moses said the manna came down from heaven? Did that mean the food was God?

when Christ said He is the bread
Is that bread Life? What is “take and eat”
Of is “taste Of God and see that He is good.”?

 

[Peterlag]

What’s fascinating is the volume of Christians who can’t get their heads around the idea that there are other Christians with different ideas about the nature of God and man.

God is not a man. God is spirit. These points are stipulated in scripture. But to disagree with them on the nature of Jesus— who most certainly was a man, you become ‘a deplorable’ and a heretic. It’s a little silly.

Boy you got that right.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

but doesn’t that make Him extraordinary? And not just a man like any common man?

 

[Peterlag]

another
Come to Me all you heavy laden with burdens
Take My yoke upon you, Learn of Me and I will give you rest?

or how about all things are there for our example …all the word profitable for instruction in righteousness…?

Can you give me that "lean on me" from the New Testament?

 

[Mr E]

notice john didnt just say And the WORD was with GOD and GOD with the WORD . HE WROTE GOD IS THE WORD .

Notice John didn’t say Jesus was with God and Jesus was God.
He could have... but he didn’t. If it was true and if it was what he meant to say, he could have. But again- he didn’t.

Listen, it shouldn’t upset or anger you if someone holds a different point of view. Does their belief threaten yours? We are discussing personal beliefs. If you or anyone else finds the topic so upsetting, move on to something else. It’s a big forum. Don’t let a discussion make you angry.

 

[Peterlag]

I came that they might have life and have it more abundantly?

That's a quote that refers to Jesus Christ. Not God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Here it is in Latin.
in principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum

I have only one year of Latin so far, but i will try to translate this:

In the beginning, was the Word and the Word was among or in the presence of God, and God was the Word.

Yeah , notice it says GOD WAS THE WORD . exactly . Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Notice John didn’t say Jesus was with God and Jesus was God.
He could have... but he didn’t. If it was true and if it was what he meant to say, he could have. But again- he didn’t.

Listen, it shouldn’t upset or anger you if someone holds a different point of view. Does their belief threaten yours? We are discussing personal beliefs. If you or anyone else finds the topic so upsetting, move on to something else. It’s a big forum. Don’t let a discussion make you angry.

IT clearly says JESUS IS THE WORD . I mean it says THE WORD became flesh . AND it clearly says that GOD IS THE WORD too .
IT dont anger me that you teach as you do , IT TERRIFIES ME FOR YOUR SOUL . I only desire GOOD FOR YOU . THUS i must tell you truth .

 

[Peterlag]

Col. 1:19-22
"For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:"

All the fullest is in me too and I'm not God.

 

[Peterlag]

but doesn’t that make Him extraordinary? And not just a man like any common man?

It sure does. It makes him the son of God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's a quote that refers to Jesus Christ. Not God.

why separate them?

it is like the Word of God…I’m not talking about a bible collecting dust on a shelf…or a fictional tale. We could argue the Word has been turned into a God. (Yet) is not God…but how does the Word become a garment …without seam…everlasting..that one takes off the old man and puts on “the New Man” …how is that not God, who else can give a change of garment (removing the old), or clothe another with a (New) Garment?

 

[Charlie24]

All the fullest is in me too and I'm not God.

The fullness of what?

 

[Peterlag]

The fullness of what?

The righteousness of God

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[amigo de christo]

All the fullest is in me too and I'm not God.

The BODY which is many members only partakes on an individual level of the fullness of GOD .
YET JESUS HIMSELF as AN INDIVUDUAL was and is THE FULLNESS of GOD . GO ye and learn what that means .
NOT any one individual has all gifts , The fullness of GOD is spread out amonst the believers . JESUS IS the fullness of GOD
by which we partake . Your point failed my friend . While JESUS is the WORD OF GOD and GOD HIS WORD
and while i do partake of HIM , that dont make me THE VERY WORD OF GOD , it simply means i am IN THE WORD OF GOD
cause i am IN CHRIST . Does that make a wee bit more sense to ya . Its like a man trying to say HE IS CHRIST
just because HE is christain . DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE . NOPE . NOR Does me saying i am the FULLNESS OF GOD
just cause i partake of JESUS WHO IS THE FULLNESS OF GOD . Hope that helps .