What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
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BeyondET
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MY LORD AND MY GOD said thomas , and JESUS DIDNT CORRECT HIM EITHER . HOW is that for lovely scriptural truth .
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“I come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.” See…I disagree because that they might have life and have it more abundantly… (Imo)Is not that they might have more abundant cars, money, perfect health, more lust, more greed and more pride of life…I come that might have Life in the Spirit of God peace, love joy, comfort, be fruitful and multiply. To say it was talking about Jesus Christ by you own estimate who was the Son of God but not God. A Son of Life but not Life…in Him is Life? To say it was talking about Him and not God…to me that is saying abundant Life, to have Life more abundantly is in Jesus Christ the Son of God, and is not talking about more abundantly or abundant Life in God. Since abundant Life doesn’t refer to God, but instead the Son of God. But they are One. …many members but One Body? Each member having a part and the joints that supply with the same care one for another to the “whole”. The Same Spirit, as the Life is in blood …that One Spirit supplies Life to the whole Body. Christ prayed “let them be One as We are One.” Why hack it to death? When He prayed “that they might be One, Father. As we are One.”
I do get some of your points…but maybe I’m missing what you are saying. What is the point?
Yes, and the word Verbum in that sentence is a predicate nominative, meaning it renames the subject
Ex. George is my husband. In this sentence the pred nom is (my) husband. It renames who George is. The name and the pred nom are connected by a linking verb.
So, in the sentence Deus (nominative) erat (linking verb) Verbum (pred nominative), the word Verbum (Word) renames the subject (God)
I’m sorry friend but it just doesn’t. You’ve convinced yourself of something that isn’t so.
There isn’t one single clear statement that declares “Jesus is God.” The word of God comes upon a person as John makes clear was the case with the man Jesus at the Jordan River. The word becoming flesh is much different than Jesus being born flesh.
John 6:29-42
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[30]They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[31]Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
[32]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[33]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
[34]Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
[35]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
[36]But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38]For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[41]The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
[42]And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was saying. He came down from heaven, sent from God. There is no other person who can say they came down from heaven. Jesus was pre-existent.
John 8:56-58
[56]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
His body of flesh came into being around 2,000 years ago. But that body was not born fallen, being His Father is God.
John the Baptist, who was 6 months older than Jesus (in the flesh) stated that Jesus was "before him."
John 1:15
[15]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
He is the Word (who is God) that was made flesh. (Jn chapter 1) He was tempted in every way that we have been tempted, yet He never sinned. (He. 4:15) Therefore, He came in the form of sinful flesh and triumphed over sin.
He had to come in a flesh body. The wages of sin is death, and He took that penalty and paid it in full with His own blood ....the spotless Lamb.
Romans 8:3
[3]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
1 John 2:1-2
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:9-10
[9]In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[10]Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Want to know WHO the Word is?
John 1:1-5,9-11,14-15,18
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[9]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[18]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Hebrews 4:12-15
[12]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[13]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
[14]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
[15]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 10:10-13
[10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11]And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13]From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
He - the Word - is a person, Jesus Christ. He is God. He is the Son on God. He is the Creator. He is the True Light. He is righteous. He is the spotless lamb. He is our great high priest Who offered Himself upon the altar ...once and for all.
Ah, now I understand. You're JW and deny the deity of Jesus despite the scriptures that prove he was God. It's as I said early on when posting those scriptures. You won't accept them.
You don't believe in Jesus Christ so you have nothing to say about our faith.
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All atheists and JW's that say that ignore the scriptures that repeatedly inform readers Jesus was a perfect sinless man, and was fully God.
They're lying.
The Bible proves they're lying.
And to repeatedly post the passages that prove it would be a waste of time. Repeating the same behavior expecting unbelievers to change their natural minds would be in conflict with scripture that says those unbelievers with their natural minds can never be reached by spiritual truth. Because God's truth is only able to be understood through the spirit.
Which is why the carnal unbelievers want to claim Jesus was just like them, and that is why he could not be the savior.
[QUOTE ="Mr E, post: 1406741, member: 21516"]Is Jesus mentioned in those verses?
“Jesus” was a man who lived and died around two thousand years ago. That man was not there in the beginning. There is a distinction between what is physical versus what is spiritual. Many (most) Christians try to conflate these two and end up with a muddled mess that they then gloss over for comfort.[/QUOTE]
They're lying.
The Bible proves they're lying.
And to repeatedly post the passages that prove it would be a waste of time. Repeating the same behavior expecting unbelievers to change their natural minds would be in conflict with scripture that says those unbelievers with their natural minds can never be reached by spiritual truth. Because God's truth is only able to be understood through the spirit.
Which is why the carnal unbelievers want to claim Jesus was just like them, and that is why he could not be the savior.
[QUOTE ="Mr E, post: 1406741, member: 21516"]Is Jesus mentioned in those verses?
“Jesus” was a man who lived and died around two thousand years ago. That man was not there in the beginning. There is a distinction between what is physical versus what is spiritual. Many (most) Christians try to conflate these two and end up with a muddled mess that they then gloss over for comfort.[/QUOTE]
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The collective of likely satanists,one has the gall to use flames for their profile pic so we can't miss it, blasphemers,JW's , that are dedicated to trolling this site
is astonishing. If they are individuals and not socks.
Christians know such people will never ever understand the Bible. As we read. Because they are of their natural mind,which is incapable of understanding God's words that are spiritually discerned.
What that bunch is telling us repeatedly is very simple to understand.
Jesus isn't the savior. And no one is actually saved from their sins. Because for over 2000 years we've worshipped a mere man with a sin nature just like theirs.
Satan never gives up. And God knows there are plenty of minds,as we read, ready for his doctrine to take root.
God's word cannot reach those ......
It's arrogance to think we can cite it and do any better.
It means that God-- sent His word via a messenger to a man. The word (of God) descended upon Jesus (like a dove).
God is spirit. The word of God is spirit. The son of God is spirit. (son of God)
Jesus is a man. (son of man)
Flesh gives birth to flesh, spirit gives birth to spirit. They are two distinctly different concepts.
Jesus himself said- immediately after that scene at the river-- “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”
That's hilarious. Someone has a differing opinion than your own, so that makes them a JW, a satanist, a blasphemer, a troll, a sock puppet or a plain old sinner!
Get a load of this guy.
It's a nuanced point of view. There are times when Jesus is speaking on behalf of the Father through the spirit of God within him. There are many times that he is speaking about the Father. And there are times when he is speaking directly to the Father. Not once. Not ever, did he ever refer to himself as the Father. He made it crystal clear that he was not the Father. (not God) Rather he carefully drew distinct lines between himself and OUR Father-- making himself known as being one from among us-- a brother to us, not a God. He reserved his worship, praise, adoration and most of all his obedience for the Father alone. He came to serve mankind, not to be served. Not my will, but Thine- he prayed.
I have.
I've witnessed sister's and brothers here post repeatedly scripture that proves Jesus was fully God and fully sinless man.
And I've witnessed the same collective of scoffers, deniers, mockers, blasphemers, deny those scriptures exist.
Noooo, it isn't a matter of disagreeing. That's the ruse, ''we're just disagreeing'', such people invoke behind their agenda to mock,ridicule,blaspheme, the gospel, Jesus/God.
When the scriptures prove a point about Jesus divine mission, and mockers insist repeatedly that passage isn't saying Jesus was divine, God, without a sin nature, that's not disagreeing. That's implacability.
That's trolling.
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But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22
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Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us That is when The Word became flesh, the virgin birth.
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