Brakelite
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Sorry. I do get carried away in the excitement sometimes.Pretty wordy stuff Brakelite.
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Sorry. I do get carried away in the excitement sometimes.Pretty wordy stuff Brakelite.
Throughout scripture Israel in the IT and the church in the NT, are depicted as a woman. If Israel was faithful, she was depicted as being a chaste virgin.The influence of the whore in terms of the Catholic church, honestly, I haven't seen it. In terms of a capitalistic economic system, yes, I see that.
Satan was cast to earth long ago, he tempted Job and Jesus in the wilderness, your claim Satan had a meeting in and has access to heaven is "False"!When Satan is cast to earth with other 'stars' he will have a very very short time. So I could not see him having been already cast to earth for a long time. Satan has had limited access to heaven, and we see him at a meeting in heaven with God and the angels in Job. We also know he accuses us day and night before God. So I don't think we can say he is bound under the earth.
Satan was cast to earth long ago, he tempted Job and Jesus in the wilderness, your claim Satan had a meeting in and has access to heaven is "False"!
I am not sure why some folks are obsessed with the pope. An old geyser with no appeal who comes off to many as not even being a believer. The head (unless we believe that stuff about some other people really in charge there) of basically a pedo infested increasingly insignificant decrepit has been geriatric fable factory.Sure. Maybe there were too many for one post... I'll split them up...View attachment 25755 View attachment 25756 View attachment 25757 View attachment 25758 View attachment 25759
So let's see where everyone stands on the Babylon babe question.
Satan was at the "Footstool" of God on "Earth", Satan clearly states he is in the "Earth"!You should be careful with railing accusations especially when you don't know what you are talking about. Anyhow, I agree with what I saw on one site...
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When Scripture says that Satan stood before God in Job chapters 1 and 2, this is not the third heaven as commonly assumed. It is not the throne-room of God as often taught. This would be the second heaven, or outer space. Isaiah 14:13 talks about this “mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.” Those “congregating” are angelic beings, and, according to the Book of Job, they assemble frequently. It is somewhere in the northern part of the universe, perhaps on some planet or other faraway celestial body, that the angels give an account to and/or report to God concerning their activities. God meets these spiritual beings here. It is evidently where Satan answers to God regarding his mischief on Earth.
When the Bible speaks in Revelation chapter 12 about Michael and his angels fighting against the Devil and his angels, and the Devil and his angels being cast out of heaven, that would be the second heaven (outer space)."
How could Satan access heaven in the Books of Job and the Revelation?
I agree with dad. It was a council meeting of leaders from other worlds. Satan came to that meeting and the Lord asked him, what business do you have here? Satan's reply was good claim to be the ruler of the earth... And having been given lordship by Adam who abdicated the dominion, Satan's claim was justified. This was affirmed during the temptation when Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. That wouldn't have been at all tempting of they weren't his to give.Satan was at the "Footstool" of God on "Earth", Satan clearly states he is in the "Earth"!
Your claim Satan had a meeting with God and his Angels in heaven is a "Fairy Tale" as Pinocchio's nose grows!
Job 1:7KJV
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Isaiah 66:1KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Quote below, dad post #167:
"Satan has had limited access to heaven, and we see him at a meeting in heaven with God and the angels in Job."
Please share how you see Rome as filling the description of the whore. What do you think constitutes the adulteries that she leads the whole world astray into?I believe "Babylon" is the city of Rome.
Forgive me for not reading the link you provided. I just haven't had the time to do that yet.I read the prediction of the rise of Constantinian Rome out of the rubble of Augustinian Rome in Revelation 13, but this is debatable.
The leader in the last days is spoken about all over the bible. It does not depend on interpreting the word man. He is a king, and a man. One of his titles is the 'man of sin'. We also know he receives power from the dragon so he is not the dragon.
To be fair it was people in hell calling him that, not God.
You should be careful with railing accusations especially when you don't know what you are talking about. Anyhow, I agree with what I saw on one site...
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When Scripture says that Satan stood before God in Job chapters 1 and 2, this is not the third heaven as commonly assumed. It is not the throne-room of God as often taught. This would be the second heaven, or outer space. Isaiah 14:13 talks about this “mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.” Those “congregating” are angelic beings, and, according to the Book of Job, they assemble frequently. It is somewhere in the northern part of the universe, perhaps on some planet or other faraway celestial body, that the angels give an account to and/or report to God concerning their activities.
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That's an old Jewish belief.
God's Heavenly Abode, which includes the abode of the angels, and even the abode of hell (Hades), is in a DIFFERENT DIMENSION of existence than our earthly dimension.
Furthermore, there is NO such idea about 3 separate heavens written in God's Word. The third heaven that Apostle Paul referred to in 2 Cor.12 is about the third world earth age, i.e., the future new heavens and a new earth timing. Paul said he heard words not lawful to utter.
There are only TWO HEAVENS written of in God's Word, the heavenly atmosphere sky around this earth, and then the Heavenly dimension that is HIDDEN behind a veil where God's Abode and the angels are, a dimension of Spirit, and not material matter.
This earthly dimension we live in INCLUDES the WHOLE UNIVERSE, which is made up of material matter! This is elementary Bible 101, so it's amazing that you claim understanding in your Bible, yet you are completely ignorant of this matter because of holding to a false Jewish tradition.
Your claim is a sci-fi fairy tale, the scripture clearly explains Job and Satan were on the earth, you get a big A+ for imaginationI agree with dad. It was a council meeting of leaders from other worlds. Satan came to that meeting and the Lord asked him, what business do you have here? Satan's reply was good claim to be the ruler of the earth... And having been given lordship by Adam who abdicated the dominion, Satan's claim was justified. This was affirmed during the temptation when Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. That wouldn't have been at all tempting of they weren't his to give.
Satan was at the "Footstool" of God on "Earth", Satan clearly states he is in the "Earth"!
Job 1:7KJV
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Not true. The human is the antichrist, Satan is a spirit. Try to avoid strawmen arguments.You are still wrongly assigning the idea of a flesh human man to the "dragon" and the "another beast" of Revelation 13.
Yes, I think we covered that clearly already.The "beast" pointed to there is about the one in Revelation 13:1 that was just mentioned in that Chapter, which is about a beast 'kingdom' of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. It is NOT that "dragon" (Satan). The Revelation 13:11 forward Scripture is about the "dragon" (Satan), called the "another beast", i.e., a 2nd beast. There are TWO separate beasts being described in Revelation 13, not one, likewise in Revelation 17 also.
The man is flesh and blood, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.No flesh born antichrist will do those great signs and wonders and miracles of the coming Antichrist-pseudo-Christ.
That is a surprise, that spirits can work miracles using people?God's Word describes the Antichrist doing a supernatural working...
No. Judas was not Satan, he was possessed by Satan. So will the last evil king be. Nothing complicated there.And the titles, "son of perdition" and "man of sin" per Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2, are more titles pointing directly to Satan himself.
Unless there are arch demons with names also. They are all doomed, so why would it be any surprise they are going to perdition?As I said before, Satan's title of Apollyon is from Greek apollumi which means perdition.
That is the false prophet of course. Not Satan.The Revelation 17 chapter gives further pointers that can only apply directly about Satan as this specific "another beast", a 2nd beast.